You need to think outside the little box you live in to see other views... I am not Religious but its simple to see how the Religious  view their reality .. First..Most people have heard God gave man Free Will to do as he wishes.If she got involved in who lives and who dies, a lot of free will would be denied..Second,,Wake Up and see First.

So God is a she

I am not religous, but this is rather simplistic.  You posit the proof of no God on the presence of bad things happening.  This is a common trend. Indeed, the demise of religion in Europe is partly due to the rationale that if there was a God he would not have allowed the horrors of WW I and II.

The problem with this is that it ignores the corolary.  If the existence of extreme bad proves God does not exist, the existence of extreme good proves the opposite.  (Or it renders both irrelevant to the ultimate concluson.)

Thus, the Grand Canyon, a chld laughing, a coral reef, the ability of man to build Chartres and the sounds of singing voices echoing off its stone walls, and a countless number of other things counter balance pain.

A baby cannot balance the pain with appreciation of laughter or coral.  If God is real and all powerful, why allow a baby to die in pain?

Besides, I'm not trying to prove there is no God.  I only ask how we can reconcile the idea of an all-knowing, omniscient creator allowing a baby to die in pain.

ask how (S)HE allows the baby to die in pain.  No free will has been exercised by a baby, and no sin committed by the newborn.  How then does a baby dying in pain interfere with free will?

My box has no walls.

JOb #2 is blessing all the Planned Parenthoods.  He's a busy guy.

"ask how (S)HE allows the baby to die in pain.  No free will has been exercised by a baby, and no sin committed by the newborn.  How then does a baby dying in pain interfere with free will?

My box has no walls."



 With Total free will God is not allowed to get involved what so ever or else she would change the pattern of chance by her hand ...Sometimes the baby is in pain from bad parents tired of listening to crying .If God got involved with that baby then out of fairness, God must help the baby in pain from a illness.So the bottom line if Free will is really free, then God must not get involved at all other than taking notes on who's good or bad..
If you are going to ask me why some people say when their child died.."It was Gods will"  Wrong,, it was free will..

If God is all powerful, who or what tells Him that His is not allowed.

So, you are saying that God is punishing the parents by having the baby feel pain during death?  Sorry, that is not free will.  The parents are punished by the death, the baby is punished by the pain - where is the free will in that?

Box w/o boarders.

In the 12th and 13th centuries, Christianity thought that it had everything figured out and all of the loose ends neatly tied. This was the period of scholasticism - a highly integrated world view, that fell apart when it came into contact with the black plague. The question you are asking is one that countless theologians and ethicists within Christianity have been asking for many years. If you wish to "keep your faith" and understand the imperfection of the material world, I personally recommend Bakti Yoga. However, if you wish to remain a Christian, you may wish to acquaint yourself with the work of Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz.  Cheers - Greogry

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I know babies don't experience coral reefs, and I don't think many infants appreciate choral music in a gothic cathedral, or, to keep with the "crl" theme, enjoy the grace of a thoroughbred horse galloping in a corral in the morning.

It is not one person balancing and experiencing the beauty and ugliness. It is the combined nature of the expeiences.

We don't have to reconcile the conflict.  There are somethings that we can't understand.  Indeed, for those who say this proves the lack of God, and I saw that you are not one of those saying it, it is a claim at understanding in itself.

Maybe I am content knowing I (we) can't know it all.

every living thing  must "die" so that other things might live. Life is a continuous process.. There is no god

"If God is all powerful, who or what tells Him that His is not allowed."


first if Ii believed in God she is a woman..


"So, you are saying that God is punishing the parents by having the baby feel pain during death?  Sorry, that is not free will."


I never said God is punishing the parents..With free will there can be NO punishment on this Earth inflicted by God..until whats the date of the second or is it third coming..??? I am not trying to convince you of God ..I just don't understand how a lot of people don't understand Free Will means The peoples Free will and with no interference from God..except for the occasional Miracle when she is feeling confused..