Republicans have the White House.
Republicans have a majority in the Senate.
Republicans have a majority in the House.

 
Republicans: "But...but...the Democrats are responsible for the shutdown."

The Democrats are merely using the same tactics as the Republicans, when the latter refused to vote on raising the debt ceiling unless they got their concessions.

This is a Democrat shutdown.

And neither do the Dems. The shutdown is a failure of republicans to govern and to seek compromise when needed.

Just like they did to pass the 48 Trump nominees at once. Or they could have ended the filibuster  
I’m sure the GOP led senate could’ve got creative
GOP WH+GOP House+GOP Senate= GOP Shutdown

They need sixty to pass the budget.  Three Dems voted with the Republicans to pass the budget.  NO Republicans voted with the Democrats.  My take is that there are three moderate Dems that don't want to hurt their constituents by closing down the government, while the rest of the Dems, a clear MINORITY of Senators, don't really care if their voters get shafted and want to ADD a bunch of crazy shit totaling over a trillion dollars.  The public will see the light and the Dems will be blamed.  The issue turns on the fact that if they fund Medicaid, the blue states have work-arounds in place already that would allow the illegals to receive these funds through their state at American Taxpayer expense.  Since you don't make enough to pay taxes, maybe you don't care.  

Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.) was the only Republican to vote against the measure. He opposed it because he says it would prolong Biden-era funding levels

You really can't take ANYTHING he says without checking it. I'm too lazy to do it but someone really should fact-check all his posts on this board (paradoxically, he often posts good info on the GD Board)  and find out how many of them are simply false. I'd imagine it's a large percentage.
Oh, and Sens. Fetterman, Mastro (both Dems) and King (Indy who caucuses with the Dems) all voted with the Republicans.  
So CDL was even more WRONG than you thought.

Blame Republicans all you want.    But need 60 votes.

 
This shows you that when republicans were in the minority they would actually Negotiate.   These demands of the Democrats are insane.  They want to undo lots of what is in the bill with the "cuts".  Also Dem's for years haven't kept promises that they made with previous CR's.  The "good faith" negotiations where bullshit and they never kept the promises of cutting spending.   Now Republicans dug in and hope they keep it this way.

 
The ACA "tax credit" was intended to expire per Democrats CR plan/bill they introduced back in 2021 during Covid.  It was set to "sunset" in 2025.   So the beating of their chests about Republicans increasing costs is pure bullshit.  It was all on them...why didn't they make that permanent?  Why did the ACA need those credits?   It was only because of COVID and apart of COVID Funding.

 
Then they do want to undo all the things with Medicaid about making able body people work requirements again.... a COVID thing that was introduced back then.   They want to make "Covid" funding/precautions permanent.   Hence the "increase" in spending.  Which they are saying isn't an increase... which isn't an increase but is.   IE: Republicans cut that spending and Dem's want it back.  

 
So again..... until the "demands" of the Dem's actually become reasonable.   Let the fucker be shut down.

Trump has always been a poor leader,::See Covid response::
Blast from the past

Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for federally funded Medicare or Medicaid.  However, where I live there is state-funded coverage for emergency services and conditions that could become life-threatening. It's funded by state taxes not federal money and is the right thing to do for a fellow human.

Good find, Happy! Yes, the Presidency about getting things done for the good of  the country. It CAN be done, for example President Clinton and Speaker Gingrich:  
"While the relationship between President Bill Clinton and Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich was intensely adversarial, they were able to work together on major bipartisan legislation, including balancing the federal budget and passing welfare reform. Their partnership was marked by both conflict and surprising cooperation." - Gemini AI
The two leaders passed the budget surplus onto President Bush, who instead of reducing the national debt passed a tax cut bill, which drove the budget back into deficit.  

But the Republicans rammed through the mis-named "Big Beautiful Bill" and blew a trillion-dollar hole in the deficit. And you were OK with that so....

Correct!   The point I was making was they are not telling people about it.   Thanks for letting me prove another LIE the Dem's bring up...

 
Are the Republicans lying about the Taxes?  Not telling the Truth?   Nope they have said all along they want to make then permanent.  They say the Dem's want to go back to the pre-2017 tax brackets which increase taxes on EVERYONE.   But Dem's say that the tax code now only benefits the "rich" and going back wont hurt anyone else.... WHICH IS A FUCKING LIE.   Middle Class is 36-200K range....look below who gets FUCKED.

Tax bracket Single:
2017
0-9K  -      10%
9-38K       15%
38-92K       25%
92-192K     28%
192-416K   33%

 
2025
0-12K         10%
12-48K       12%
48-103k      22%
103-197k    24%
197-250K    32%

 
You think you got a "gotcha".... but showing how dem's are telling half truths and lies.   Thanks for bringing this point up and even more lies they are telling.

 
But thanks for bringing that up.    So yeah.... Dem's hold this hostage.... and keep saying it is TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICH....  Really

Forgot to add.... ramming down our throats..... The ACA was rammed down our throats.

 
Taxes in the ACA that nobody knew about:

Medicare tax went from 1.45 to 2.35%   business pay for.
Top Income Bracket changed from 35% to 39.6%   Yeah rich don't pay enough
Top payroll tax went from 37.4 to 52.2%
Cap gains changed from 15 to 28%
Dividend changed from 15 to 39.6%
Estate tax changed from 0 to 55%
Real Estate Transaction tax from 0 to 3.5%

 
Yet alone the ACA was supposed to make Insurance cheaper, healthcare better, drugs cheaper, etc.   Has it?

 
Let alone now Congress is fighting over needing  "tax credits" to buy health insurance only if you qualify... just because of COVID.   But the ACA was supposed to make things cheaper or "Affordable".

 
Again dont get me even started on how we were fucking lied too by Democrats on this one.    So get off your high horse on they "rammed" it thru.   Congress got to read the OBBBA.   They didn't get a chance to read the ACA prior to a vote.   Remember "we need to pass it to understand what it in it".  or what ever Pelosi's quote was.

You have very warped sense of history and a perverse view of political compromise, but none of that comes as a surprise. All Dems are trying to do is to fund more healthcare for our citizens - funding that was taken away by trump and republicans to fund tax cuts for billionaires. There's a deal to be made here, but it is trump and republicans who would rather shut the government down than to participate in mutual concessions. Your blind faith to this MAGA Republican party prevents you, and other MAGA minions, from being reasonable and applauding a government shutdown.  

and the states are the ones who set up programs to funnel the money to illegals to circumvent the Federal rules.  Likewise, there a millions getting Medicaid benefits who are not meeting the requirement of WORKING 20 hours a week in order to quality for these handouts.  

 
This is why the Democrat voter registration rolls continue to shrink.  There are only two classes of people that think Dems can run things better than the GOP; 1) the "Coastal elites" who already have all the money they need, and 2) the "government-dependent" class (the abject poor) who live off of government largess and hand-outs.  Middle-class Dems are fleeing the party because they don't believe they will ever become a "Coastal elite" with the commensurate kind of wealth required, and the only other choice is to get pushed downward into the "government-dependent" class.  There is no place in the Democrat Party for most middle-class Americans, so moving up with Trump's policies is a more attractive future than getting pushed into poverty by the Dems.

"Confusion persists about immigrants’ eligibility for federal programs, with about half or more of U.S. adults and immigrants adults saying they are unsure or incorrectly believe that most immigrants to the U.S. are eligible to enroll in federal health insurance programs, including Medicaid, as soon as they arrive to the U.S."
http://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/5-key-facts-about-immigrants-and-medicaid/#:~:text=1.,this%20five%2Dyear%20waiting%20period.

 
And there's no one more confused than COEUR-DE-LION.

Do better.

It's now a full day since this shut-down started. I don't see either side caving. At least not for a while.
Don't you think it's time you manned up and took the L?????????????????????????????????
Where are you, Carnac??????????????????
Just can't wait for your next prediction.....

pass-through in Blue States.  The Feds don't give the money directly to the illegals directly, because they are not eligible, as you seem to agree, so Schumer and his minions want the money to go to the states for distribution at the states' discretion without any assurances that it will not be rerouted to illegals.  Republicans say, "NO!"  Racial equity is not a factor for consideration of Medicaid benefits, legal status in the US is.  

You asshats can’t get past funding woke bullshit! 🤦🏻

think Schumer would be this stupid, so yes, a misjudgment on my part.  I will take the "L" until such time that Schumer caves in and it turns into a "W".  Schumer can't win on this one by holding his ground.  It's just a matter of time before he yields to the pressure.  The people being furloughed are Democrat government workers, a small fraction of all Democrats.  Democrat voters that are not dependent on government for their livelihoods could care less.  

 
At the same time, Jeffries is out of his league on this issue.  All he can do is hump Schumer's leg until Chuckie decides to call off HIS shutdown.

My guess is you'll be taking another L on this soon.
We'll see.....

Actually..... NO.... didn't move them.   Brought up the point people are not telling truths.   But again.... you thought you had a "gotcha" but didn't.    My point was telling half truths and lies.   The proving those points.

 
Someone brought up about the Added new debt with this bill.    Correct.... another half Truth...

 
The added debt is two fold.   The spending was based off going back to the 2017 taxes which means that revenue was expected to increase.  With that not coming in that increases debt....then add in inflation it jumped that increase up to the trillion.   This is what pissed off people like Rand Paul..... he said more spending needed to be cut to keep the tax cuts.

 
This is also show that in previous CR's and negotiations where Republicans negotiated in good faith that Dem's said they would "look at" cuts and bring to the table cuts..... but never did.    Hence we keep having these debt ceiling things and CR bills over and over.    It is also the Republicans fault because they have had to make more cuts to defense and they dont.  Again.... one of Pauls and others complaints.

 
But again.... you say I want to move the goal posts.... it isn't.    It is me going back to saying people are not telling the whole TRUTH on the matter.  

for just about everyone in the individual market.

            Not the health care each individual wanted but the health care the ACA provided.
1. Start with the elimination of the yearly limit and lifetime limit on health insurance. You could not even buy uncapped health insurance before the ACA but if you could the cost would have been astronomical. EVERYONE benefited from this feature, even if they were young and healthy and did not want it.

 
2. Then go to the prohibition on charging more or refusing to insure for preexisting conditions. Again astronomical if you were a cancer or dialysis patient before the ACA.

3. Now go to those earning less than $90,000 but above Medicaid qualification.  They got subsidies to reduce premiums.  

Were premiums “low” as the average person might desire? No. But the average person – like you – never understood what he was getting from these premiums. Did Mr. Obama foolishly try to sell the ACA on his predictions of low premiums and keep your doctor? Yes but that was him, not the ACA.

So it is easy to bluster “premiums are higher now than before the ACA” if you don’t acknowledge how much more you get for your bucks-whether you want it or not.

WRONG.... you actually get LESS.   The plan I had and talked about had no caps.   I could go to any doctor i wanted, any network, etc.    Now I am forced to see or use certain networks.

 
You are forgetting.....the people who had "Cadilac" plans got FINED or Surcharged.   Yes if you had good insurance you got charged more because of the ACA or to help "fund" the ACA.    

 
Also the ACA if it was so good for the "average" citizen....why were Union plans exempt for many of the surcharges, penalties, and certain provision?   People are forgetting many things with the ACA.   Union plans were untouched for the most part.....interesting how that works.

 
The ACA only help people who didn't have insurance prior to the ACA which was about 20-30M people...... Less than 10% of the population.   With many of those people were HEALTHY YOUNG ADULTS.    The pre-existing numbers they quoted was a lie.   The ACA upended the whole system for 10% of the population.   It gave the Hospitals an excuse to charge more.  Which in turn makes premiums go up.   Insurance companies saw this and then work hand in hand with hospitals and now all profit.... even your "non-profit" hospitals.    Don't let that title fool you.

 
Now there were some good in the ACA.... the really good thing was the "check/balance" of if your "grouping" didn't use up a certain % of collected premium your company needed to refund it.    Letting young adults stay on parents plans until 26.   Both great things.   Letting smaller "groups" form group plans for certain things like dental, eye, etc.  

I have no idea what you are talking about, but that's not unusual. The ACA led to cancellations of substandard plans and expanded coverage for millions of people who were uninsured or underinsured. If your premiums increased it was because your plan previously did not cover essential health benefits, or had been allowed to reject older and sicker individuals that now must be insured, or because some plans increased premiums on younger insureds because of limits to premiums on older insureds.

What you are saying is wrong.

 
Many plans and people were covered fine.   The ACA forced insurance companies to "fine" premium or "Cadillac" plans.   It also made plans that were for males to cover female procedures by law.....ie: pregnancies.   Yes it did this.   It would cover pregnancies for girlfriend's type thing for unmarried couples or the uninsured other half.   It did things like that.    

 
If you are talking about "not unusual" about union plans not being affected by the ACA..... it shows you how it was BULLSHIT.   If it was so good for the "common man"....why didn't their plans get surcharged?   It FUCKED the middle class.

 
You want to talk about "substandard" plans.... right now people can only afford catastrophic type plans with $25K deductibles.   This means they are skipping annual health check up, dental check ups, etc.   Where before those things would or could have been covered.

 
The ACA also in the long run FUCKED over Unions.... one of the biggest bargaining chips was always health insurance and benefits.   What could be added to plans.    But people are too blind to see that.  

 
I could go off for days on the ACA.... but i would just be pissing up a rope.   The ACA had a few good things.   But it is proving that it was passed and implemented to fail.   So that our system could move into a "Medicare for all" situation as the only way out.    Look what Dem's are fighting for..... More subsidies for health insurance.... (tax credit)... to keep more people on Government Medicaid without having to meet work requirements.... All things that were implemented during COVID.   All meant to just get us thru a "hard time".... but got people lazy and used to sucking off the government tit...... so now they think we need to "keep them".     All socialized type of medicine.... or care.

You've gone on long enough as you udually do. The ACA has been law for 15 years despite numerous attempts by republicans to overturn it. Polling indicates nearly 2/3 of Americans are in favor of the ACA.  So once again your opinion is a minority and disfavored opinion. You're entitled to your opinion, but you are an outlier.

which was the subject of my post

The ACA tax on “Cadilac plans” applied only to employer sponsored health insurance plans:

 
AI Overview
No, insurers did not offer "Cadillac plans" for the individual market
. The term and its associated tax were exclusively related to expensive employer sponsored  health insurance plans.  
The "Cadillac tax" was a provision of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) intended to curb rising health care costs, not a plan offered to consumers. The tax was never implemented and was fully repealed in 20

And while I of course cannot comment on your particular plan I think you guessing – and guessing wrong- when you say your plan had no caps. If in fact you are right you would have a rare plan since most employer sponsored plans DID have caps:

 
“Yes, before the Affordable Care Act (ACA) was fully implemented, employer-sponsored health insurance plans often had annual dollar limits, and it was common for insurers to restrict the amount they would pay out for medical expenses in a given year or during the entire time of enrollment. The ACA changed this by prohibiting annual and lifetime limits on coverage for essential health benefits, starting in 2014.  
Before the ACA:  
• Annual Dollar Limits:  
Many employer-sponsored plans would limit the total dollar amount of benefits an individual could receive in a single year.
• Lifetime Limits:  
These annual limits could be supplemented by lifetime limits, preventing a plan from paying out beyond a certain dollar amount over the course of the entire enrollment period."

Union health care plans were subject to most ACA requirements including essential benefits. And most employer health plans DID charge more for preexisting conditions:

"Before the Affordable Care Act (ACA) in 2010, employer health plans often treated pre-existing conditions by denying coverage, charging higher premiums, excluding benefits for the condition, or imposing waiting periods before coverage for the condition began."

Hey I dIdn’t like the network requirement either and yes I had to change doctors. But that is a small price to pay for what you get under the ACA for individual plans. Sorry Dude the facts are not on your side here.