Politics and Religion

Have Democrats given up on climate change?
JackDunphy 966 reads
posted
1 / 54

I thought that AGW was a threat to the planet, to the very existence of mankind? What changed?

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 39 reads
posted
2 / 54

You don't give a shit, why should I?
Again with the board brush of ignorance, climate change isn't the the main switch that drives Dem...God you and FM have a very narrow mind. I was beginning to believe that you might be better...but I guess not.

JackDunphy 36 reads
posted
3 / 54

I wrote a headline and a one sentence OP and that is something you can't read? lol

 
Now pay attention to my point. The Dems didn't mention it AT ALL, hyper. Not one mention in 4 SOTU responses? You don't find that odd? The HuffyPoo sure did, and I would think the Lefties here who rail on about GW on a weekly basis would be pissed as well.

 
If you are not one of them. fine, but don't play dumb as to how important GW is to almost every Dem. Unless they are FOS and really,. privately, DONT care about it? Hmmmm....

mattradd 40 Reviews 22 reads
posted
4 / 54

For something supposedly so bad, and that they hated so much, they sure seemed powerless to repeal it! ;)

HappyChanges 27 reads
posted
6 / 54

filibuster. Why fight a losing battle? There's a reason why republicans pushed healthcare and tax reform so quickly. Pay attention.

I'll admit I was pissed about the republican healthcare failure. Republican congressmen need to take a lesson from the democrats and vote along party lines and set aside individual ideology for the benefit of our nations well being.

GaGambler 16 reads
posted
7 / 54

I think it's a great first step in killing Obamacare, but only the first step.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 37 reads
posted
8 / 54

Again. painting with that board brush of ignorance....You been watching way too much of F-- News or the Christian Monitor. I'd say there's a portion of dem that would like to see GW addressed, but we're not obsessed with it the way you seem to think we are. I think the only people that are FOS are those that feed you that Dem are all in on GW. I can't believe that you're that easy to manipulate. You really need to get out more. Don't let me go back to calling DUMPY again,

JackDunphy 40 reads
posted
9 / 54

I'd love to know how many Lefties on this board are either pissed or shocked that GW was not even mentioned ONCE by the Dems. Of course I wont get many responses bc the libs here don't want to admit it bc they cant criticize their party.

 
The Bern took a shot at Trump for not mentioning GW, but nobody was shocked that he did not. But for FOUR Dems ALL to pass on just mentioning it in what, 2 hours or speeches? Wow.

JackDunphy 26 reads
posted
10 / 54

They can pass there HC reform through the reconciliation process, but there are a several rules for that to happen. It's tricky, but doable. That method only takes 50 R votes and the VP vote to put it over the top.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 36 reads
posted
11 / 54

To say that we're " either pissed or shocked "..what can I say, Dumpy. And believe me, I'm not the only Dem who feels this way. So go to Home Depot and get a broader brush and paint the town...Like I said, didn't bother me one way or the other....sorry to shatter your image.

HappyChanges 20 reads
posted
12 / 54

I guess. We're better off taking our chances with healthcare after holding the 2018 midterm election. It's too risky having another healthcare debacle when  possible bipartisan agreements such as immigration reform and infrastructure are on the table.

hotplants 35 reads
posted
13 / 54

One democrat failed to mention climate change in a speech. Most democrats support measures to mitigate greenhouse gasses.  
.
Is the following statement true or false?: All democrats have given up on climate change.
.
And, please correct me if I’ve got this wrong---HP is a liberal news outlet that is criticizing Joe for not mentioning climate change, correct? I can see how you might have come to your erroneously illogical conclusion had HP been praising Joe for not mentioning climate change.

JackDunphy 40 reads
posted
14 / 54

"The official response to Trump from the Democratic Party, by Congressman Joe Kennedy of Massachusetts, didn’t mention climate change once. Neither did Virginia state lawmaker Elizabeth Guzman, who gave the Spanish-language response. The same goes for most elected Democrats who responded to Trump’s speech on Twitter and in the media. Even Sheldon Whitehouse, the Senate’s most aggressive climate hawk, ignored climate change in his press statement."

 
And where did you see a conclusion in my OP? I merely asked a few questions. It would seem logical that the Dems have  lowered the priority/importance of GW based on their public statements. I wanted to know why the change.  

 
I was of the opinion that combating GW was a very big deal to liberals, as they have told us time and time again it is an existential threat to humanity.

 
Am I wrong? Does it bother you they didn't mention it?

hotplants 40 reads
posted
15 / 54

...and responding to Trump yammering on about how he's ENDED the WAR on BEAUTIFUL CLEAN COAL?.....The whole concept is so absuredly idiotic that, no, I'm not bothered that trying to counter that wasn't a primary focus in response to the SOTU (side-circus show).  
.
But, to ease your mind, no, democrats have not given up on climate change.

Jinx_The_Cat 33 Reviews 42 reads
posted
16 / 54

Its just that the focus is on getting Trump thrown out in thelong term and taking back the House (hopefully) and getting a senate majority (likely to happen) to put a leash on him.  Actually what he needs is what we call on the ranch a tongue shank. Thats not as harsh as a stud shank, but since Trump has no balls, that would be useless.  Any true Vaqueros or horsey girls here know what I’m talking about.  Rest of you dudes can google it.  Nonetheless, that will obviously make great headways on the climate and conservation issues.

I never thought that I would see the GOP abandon true conservatism or the protections for our National Parks System and the preservation of natural lands by the National Forest Service/BLM, since that was an essential plank in the formation of the GOP in the first place.  But since the GOP seems intent on becoming the party of ignorance, I guess that conservatism is not longer of much interest.  It would appear that the GOP gave up on climate change long ago.

mrhuck 15 Reviews 35 reads
posted
17 / 54

...Trump threw out in his S.O.T.U. speech it's no suprise that Dems. might have missed his including the use of "clean coal" as one of his accomplishments, but anyone who isn't some West Virginia half wit knows what a joke that is, there is no such thing. Yes I am a bit dissapointed that only Bernie thought enough about our contributions to global warming to bring it up.

hotplants 11 reads
posted
18 / 54

And, now you have an extra 600 bucks a year that you can spend on something vital like booze and women. Meanwhile people who actually do need health insurance get to sit around and wait for the health care industry to die a slow painful death, mortally wounded with no intervention, by the party that has been having a fucking hissy fit about this for 8 years, convinced they had some super fantastic alternative to a system that 12 million people voluntarily signed-up for in 2017. Awesome!

mrhuck 15 Reviews 24 reads
posted
19 / 54
bigguy30 38 reads
posted
21 / 54

So reading Trump supporters comments on here.
Just remember Putin is sending his people to meet with his puppet.
Trump supporters are a clueless bunch of fools.

Russia is clearly in control of the White House!

JackDunphy 30 reads
posted
22 / 54

Bi-partisan this time. 50/50. Both sides need to own HC as that is the ONLY way it gets fixed bc they both have to have skin in the game.

bigguy30 26 reads
posted
23 / 54

So have you forgotten the GOP actions in Congress?
Well here is a reminder and your response is a joke!

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 21 reads
posted
24 / 54

And let's modify the ACA as it does need work but In it's core, it isn't bad and would be a good starting block. I'm sure the Dem will all be in. But we know that Republicans never wanted any kind of health care plan. Their plan is to go back to the way it was 20 years ago.
Some how Heath Care=Republicans just doesn't have that ring....

St. Croix 27 reads
posted
25 / 54

There will eventually be a recession, and if it's timed right, the Left comes back to power. That's one of the unintended consequences of a recession. Whose running the Left? I think they call themselves Progressives. What's their view on H/C? You'd be happy if they JUST expanded Medicare for all, but that's not what they really want. Listen to Bernie and Elizabeth and what they want. They are the mouthpiece of the Progressive movement.  

You want a market based "CUSTOMER" driven health care system. And no we don't have that today. Both sides with skin in the game? I don't think so!  

Obamacare could have been a nice niche product/service if the Democrats hadn't over-engineered the fucking thing. How many exchanges did they start with? Let's don't build one, let's build a bunch of exchanges and make them all different. And see if you can reach them during the open enrollment period. Let's not have just 1 tax, but 13 different taxes so we can provide subsidies to everyone making less than 400% of the poverty level.  And make sure we really fuck about 10 million American who make just $1 over their "FPL" threshold, and increase their premiums by at least 100%. Let's don't forget the IRS involvement and creating a 1095-A, a 8962 and a 8965 tax forms.  

Nothing government builds is a "niche", nor is it designed to expire. It's kinda like the "Borg" in Star Trek. It grows by consuming and controlling.

-- Modified on 2/2/2018 9:48:33 AM

GaGambler 34 reads
posted
26 / 54

Obamacare was sold on this premise. "We are going to insure EVERYBODY, including those with pre-existing conditions. We are going to create not just one, but SEVERAL massive government bureaucracies to administer the program, AND we are going to cut the average premium by $2,500 year"

 
Anyone who believed in ACA must also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, but I suppose socialists don't worry about such things as they believe that the "rich" have endless resources and all the have to do is get them to pay their "fair share" and all will be right in the universe.

JackDunphy 41 reads
posted
27 / 54

Was it better for everyone? Of course not. Was it better than now? Certainly. The ACA at its core didn't even try to contain costs/premiums. All of those ideas came from the center/right.

 
Ask a Dem what they like about Ocare. I mean it. Ask one. They will give you a list of goodies and NONE of them will be cost reduction, for everything the ACA added INCREASED the cost.

 
No, we need a clean slate and start over. This time, we have 50% of each party represented and force them to compromise. You want kids on till their 26? Fine, give me tort reform. You want pre-existing conditions covered? Ok, lets allow insurance purchases across state lines.

 
Will that be a perfect law? Of course not. Unintended consequences will rear its ugly head BUT...BOTH sides will be inclined to fix those problems as both sides are responsible for creating it.

 
Right now there isn't any real incentive to make the law better. Only when you have a bipartisan law will D's and R's work together to fix the problems that will certainly arise out of a hybrid HC law.

JakeFromStateFarm 32 reads
posted
28 / 54

Find/conjure up an issue, seize on it and blow it out of proportion.  The Dems would have been stupid to bring up everything Drumpf DIDN'T mention and turn the rebuttal into a laundry list of crap no one would listen to.  They were much smarter to simply rebut what Donnie DID say.
Actually, Duncey was probably hoping they'd bore the shit out of everyone instead.

JackDunphy 39 reads
posted
29 / 54

I provided links from the HuffyPoo and the New Republic wondering why the Dems didn't make GW an issue as well. Did they "find/conjure up an issue, seize on it and blow it out of proportion" too? You dope.

 
The rebuttal shouldn't only focus on what the POTUS says, as it is a chance for the opposition party to state what it is FOR and not JUST what they are AGAINST.  

 
You are rapidly approaching Swim status from the NB. Focus Jake, focus!

JakeFromStateFarm 19 reads
posted
30 / 54

Now you're quoting HuffPo and NR to prove your "point?"  LMAO!  You ridicule sources like this unless you can use them to twist your distorted "reality."  
I don't need any more focus to call bullshit for what it is.  My point still stands and you are the KING of Red Herrings and Diversions.  It's not much, this twisted realm of yours, but it's all you've got.  So, by all means, cling to it.
Just don't expect anyone but your righty claque to buy what you're selling

JackDunphy 33 reads
posted
31 / 54

I asked a simple question about HP and NR and you diverted and refused to answer. Try again or is another diversion forthcoming?

JakeFromStateFarm 35 reads
posted
32 / 54

You're an argumentative dolt, Dunce.  I have MUCH more important things to do than to keep pointing out what a lousy debater you are.
Like what?  Like VODKA.
Now go away and play with your friends, swallowpee, nutool and diggy.

2465305 70 Reviews 22 reads
posted
33 / 54

Ask a dem what they like about Obammycare?

Isn't the politically correct Obammy answer....you can keep your doctor AND your plan.  

Dems still believe that which is the funny part.
Posted By: St. Croix
Re: There is no good time Jack to have this conversation
There will eventually be a recession, and if it's timed right, the Left comes back to power. That's one of the unintended consequences of a recession. Whose running the Left? I think they call themselves Progressives. What's their view on H/C? You'd be happy if they JUST expanded Medicare for all, but that's not what they really want. Listen to Bernie and Elizabeth and what they want. They are the mouthpiece of the Progressive movement.  
   
 You want a market based "CUSTOMER" driven health care system. And no we don't have that today. Both sides with skin in the game? I don't think so!  
   
 Obamacare could have been a nice niche product/service if the Democrats hadn't over-engineered the fucking thing. How many exchanges did they start with? Let's don't build one, let's build a bunch of exchanges and make them all different. And see if you can reach them during the open enrollment period. Let's not have just 1 tax, but 13 different taxes so we can provide subsidies to everyone making less than 400% of the poverty level.  And make sure we really fuck about 10 million American who make just $1 over their "FPL" threshold, and increase their premiums by at least 100%. Let's don't forget the IRS involvement and creating a 1095-A, a 8962 and a 8965 tax forms.  
   
 Nothing government builds is a "niche", nor is it designed to expire. It's kinda like the "Borg" in Star Trek. It grows by consuming and controlling.

-- Modified on 2/2/2018 9:48:33 AM

followme 34 reads
posted
34 / 54

What do you mean you have much more important things to do?

mrhuck 15 Reviews 25 reads
posted
35 / 54

...The reason the ACA was doomed from the onset was comercialized medical & insurance company profits made consumer premeums unaffordable. And you wine about your fear of socialized medicine well it's already here serving nearly 1/4th of the country quite well, & I bet there are righties over 65 on this board using it, of course Medicare!  The truth is any healthcare system that trusts the medical & insurance industries to control costs & profits is doomed to similar failures as the ACA. If we want a healthcare system that works try adjusting coverage percentage per individual income & let insurance companies compeate for suplamental policies the way they already do, the health of our nation will most certianly improve if everyone has coveradge.

JakeFromStateFarm 30 reads
posted
36 / 54

Poor old guy.  Go back to swallowing your own pee. I'll stock to Vodka, thanks.

GaGambler 42 reads
posted
37 / 54

Under socialized medicine we are going to get raped by the State.  

 

Under Obamacare we are getting raped by BOTH. Obamacare is the worst of both worlds and was doomed from the start. It was obvious to anyone who knew that 2+2 will ALWAYS equal 4,  no matter how much they wanted to believe Obama's lies to the contrary.

St. Croix 26 reads
posted
38 / 54

Repeat it, and keep repeating it until it sinks in your head. Medicare is just a financing & claims mechanism for healthcare. Who delivers healthcare in this country? Did you miss that day in public school? This is why "Medicare", or any derivative, will NEVER be expanded beyond its current charter, or least not until the stupid Left can agree on what the fuck it wants.  

The Left throws out terms like Medicare, Single Payer, Universal Healthcare, National Healthcare, and I honestly don't think any of you understand the similarities or differences. These terms are just bumper stickers to the Left.  

Just keep repeating the words Socialized and Medicare together, and I guarantee it will NEVER be expanded beyond its current charter.  

Maybe one day the Left will understand "Messaging and Marketing".  

P.S. ACA was doomed from the onset because you wanted to build another GOD DAMN MOTHER FUCKING monolithic government bureaucracy. You could have used existing technology, infrastructure and tax law, but NO, you had to start over with a 2000+ page law.

-- Modified on 2/3/2018 11:40:32 AM

mrhuck 15 Reviews 31 reads
posted
39 / 54

...You GaG & the other righties seem to obsess about the problems with the current ACA & President Obama's statements, but you never seem to offer any ideas on what would work for healthcare for America, you can wine & continue to teach your higher math lessons till the cows come home but that behavior fixes nothing. Americans getting poor healthcare hurts everyone in this country, & when we have major desease outbrakes like our current fiu epademic or the opioid addiction problem those people get handled by our county hospital system & that costs all of us, so if that isn't socialized healthcare what is ?  You may think of me as just some lilly livered lefty but at least I choose to offer constructive answers along with my critiques of this current moronic White House & congress administrations.

marikod 1 Reviews 27 reads
posted
40 / 54

Two thousand pages- that’s outrageous. How complicated can the regulation of health insurance be? Take a look at the rate filing by Aetna –it’s only… six thousand page. For one company - for one state-for one kind of health insurance. -just for the rate filing.

Here is your homework assignment for the weekend. Instead of watching UCLA lose to USC, I want you to pull the California Health  Insurance Code and regulations. Start counting the health insurance code. .When you get to page 2000, you can stop. You can skip the Pet Insurance part. See if you can get back to us next weekend.

 
Capisce?

mrhuck 15 Reviews 21 reads
posted
41 / 54

...well Mr. verbal semantics maybe you could enlighten us with the difference, of Medicare & socialized medicine the truth is the federal government writes the checks & the federal government decides how much to pay & of course they deal with private supppliers but those suppliers only get paid what the government offers. I went to Webster's for the definition of  so-cial-ism : social system based on government control of production & distribution of goods. so-cial-ize : #1 regulate by socialism #2  adapt to social needs  #3  participate in a social gathering. So now that we have clearity on the universally understood meaning of the word please tell us how Medicare is unrelated to socialism.  St. Croix your post is a typical righty responce to ideas offered on this forum it's time to start offering constructive alternatives instead of diversionary smoke screens,otherwise STFU.

St. Croix 23 reads
posted
42 / 54

And I want you to tell all your liberal friends to scream that fact from their rooftops. When people hear the word Medicare, they think of Socialism. I think you have a winner.  

Sarcasm aside, whether or nor Medicare is Socialized Medicine, you want that word buried for obvious reasons. Here's a constructive idea. Market Medicare as ONLY a finance and claims system. Its role is really minimal. Medicare's job is to enhance the delivery of PRIVATE healthcare by collecting revenue and processing claims in a timely manner. How about that, I just came up with a nice Value Statement.

The Right screams Obamacare and Medicare are socialized medicine. I have posted multiple times they are NOT socialized medicine, and yet, I'm still classified as a Righty. Go figure.

When it comes to Socialism, I am a bit of a purist, but the means of production and distribution are still in the hands of the private sector. That's just one fact. But the following link is what I tend to use.

If you want to debate this topic. Get that word out of your lexicon. Get it out of every liberal, because you won't even have constructive alternatives to debate

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Capitalism_vs_Socialism

-- Modified on 2/3/2018 5:44:06 PM

St. Croix 21 reads
posted
43 / 54

Methodists and Quakers lose big time to the Catholics. News @ 11  

So of all the things I said, you only focused on the 2000 pages. I guess you agree with everything else. I'll take that.

You had to come out to SoCal, specifically Sierra Canyon High School, to pick the next #1 player in the draft. He is the real deal.

2465305 70 Reviews 19 reads
posted
44 / 54

But but but....I was supposed to get to keep my doctor and my plan.  

Instead the doctors abandoned the plan and the plan went up and up and up in price. In some states it went up over 125%.  

But of course Obammy didn't care.....drop it if you like, you can pay the fine on your taxes and I'll still get paid.
Posted By: GaGambler
Re: Under the old system we were raped by the insurance companies
Under socialized medicine we are going to get raped by the State.  
   
   
   
 Under Obamacare we are getting raped by BOTH. Obamacare is the worst of both worlds and was doomed from the start. It was obvious to anyone who knew that 2+2 will ALWAYS equal 4,  no matter how much they wanted to believe Obama's lies to the contrary.

JakeFromStateFarm 40 reads
posted
46 / 54

What's the matter, BigKomodoDragon?  Is your sagging, wrinkled, scaly skin especially itchy today?

GaGambler 33 reads
posted
48 / 54

but it certainly looks like Conan was hoisted by his own retard.

 
and no that was NOT a typo.  

 

Lastly,  I too prefer Vodka, but I while I believe in stocking up on it, I hardly "stock" to drinking it. It appears that Conan either needs to slow down a bit on the vodka or start using spell check.

JakeFromStateFarm 35 reads
posted
49 / 54

Considering I've been calling you that for months, yet only now do you get upset by it.  And as for "ad hominem" attacks, LMAO!  A classic pot=kettle=black move from you.  Talk about weak.
For the record, I'm not the one laughing at your skin condition.  It is many, many hookers who've seen you who are whispering in my ear about your "condition."
You really should do something about it.
And all this over a typo. You could have avoided it, if not for your obsessive need to stalk.

JakeFromStateFarm 33 reads
posted
50 / 54

But you refer to "this little feud between you too?"  ROFLMAOPIP!
You are the President For Life of the Retard Club.

GaGambler 39 reads
posted
51 / 54

Maybe you should "stock to drinking elixers"

 
Come on Jake fess up, you and fg are sharing both a computer and a brain.

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 32 reads
posted
52 / 54

...You claim that "many, many hookers" have told you about my "scaly skin."  But your best bud Cowardly Lion keeps saying that I have not seen a hooker in over a year.  So, Joke, are you lying or will you accuse Cowardly Lion of being a liar?

 

I'm just surprised those "many, many hookers" haven't also told you about my micropenis.  If that got out, it would really cut me to the quick.  Let's keep that between us, okay?

 

BTW, you have no clue what "ad hominem" means.  No surprise there, though;  you have enough trouble with English.

 

And for the record, my skin is not "scaly."  It is "ashy" - quite common among African-Americans.

JakeFromStateFarm 31 reads
posted
53 / 54

Sad to see you reduced to sticking your nose up Mamasan's wrinkly butt as you both search for typos.  But here's the difference: the typos YOU cite were NOT made in posts pointing out the mistakes of others.  Like you, you buffoon.

JakeFromStateFarm 51 reads
posted
54 / 54

So upset she needs to deny having "scaly skin." LMAO!
And for the record, while I actually do know what "ad hominem" means, all I did was quote you.  So what?
I also know about your micropenis but prefer to point out that the girls call you "the human parachute" and "the human Shar Pei.

Register Now!