I agree that Iran would have funded this attack with or without the $6B. That doesn't stop the $6B from being fungible. There is also the money that Biden gave Gaza that they KNEW would likely help fund Hamas terror.
Hezbollah attacks the Golan Heights and Israel punches back into southern Lebanon!this is gonna get UGLY!
It is beginning to appear that Iran's fingerprints are all over this. Even MSNBC is promoting this. If so, the US and Israel should make sure that not only is Hamas punished but so is Iran.
And let's remember it's Iran which is also helping prop up Putin by sending him drones to attack Ukraine.
So I wonder, will the Republicunts who wanted us to wimp out on our support for Ukraine but are now baying for blood over the Israeli massacre start singing another tune?
So far, reports say 4 Americans are dead and more are likely hostages in Gaza.
Now what?
Great recap thanks! I believe last time I watched the news about 5 hours ago during 60 minutes they said there are at least twelve active American hostages. Could this be the straw that broke the cameras back?
Questions are raising about the Biden administration intelligence and policy failures leading up to the Iranian back invasion of Israel.
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Can you image if George Bush had given Bin Laden $6 billion a few weeks before 9/11?
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Yeah, it's bad like that.
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Also a big problem to for Democrats is the split. Biden has given tacit support to Israel, while one third of the Democrats side with Palestine and consider the rape and murder of women and children acceptable, if not deserving.
Like I mentioned before and no one can answer is, why was there so much fire power in Gaza? And where were the informants as this was planned months out.
Why blame the Biden administration and not the Israeli intelligence agency??
Remember trumps America First ..,
Don’t make this your second worse post
The intelligence failure falls on both Mossad and CIA/NSA.
Ultimately it's on the Netanyahu administration,and to say he didn't know is a dereliction of duty, or maybe he did know and this was his "Give me a reason" to eliminate the Palestinians and fulfill his far right agenda. And if the CIA did know and warned Mossad and nothing was still done, then holy shit this is bad.
I'm the Biden administration I'm pissed that 3B or more goes to Israel and they couldn't squash these insurgents after months of planning. Something is fishy here...
These were missiles being fired into Israel, they're not something you can hide in a backpack. These are carried on trucks.
From The NY Times. But no doubt Fester and his ilk will blame the messenger. In fact Trump tried to do the SAME THING and, as usual, failed"
“Sadly, American taxpayer dollars helped fund these attacks, which many reports are saying came from the Biden administration.”
— Former President Donald J. Trump in an Oct. 7 statement
This is false.
Soon after the Hamas attacks on Israel, former President Donald J. Trump and other Republicans tried to cast blame on President Biden — saying that a recent deal brokered to secure the release of five Americans detained in Iran helped to finance the assault. Iran is a longtime backer of Hamas, a Palestinian militant group that has been designated a terrorist organization by the United States.
As part of the deal in question, the U.S. facilitated the transfer of $6 billion of Iranian profits from oil sales from banks in South Korea to Qatar so that Iran could use it for food and other humanitarian purposes.
But that $6 billion is not U.S. taxpayer money, as Mr. Trump and others, including Vivek Ramaswamy, another of the Republican presidential candidates, falsely stated. Nor is there evidence that the money, which officials have said is subject to Treasury Department oversight, was used to finance the attacksIn fact, the White House National Security Council said the money in question hasn’t been accessed by Iran.
“Not a single cent from these funds has been spent, and when it is spent, it can only be spent on things like food and medicine for the Iranian people,” a spokeswoman for the N.S.C., Adrienne Watson, said in a statement on Saturday. “These funds have absolutely nothing to do with the horrific attacks today and this is not the time to spread disinformation.”
The $6 billion was already technically usable by Iran for humanitarian purposes, but it was essentially frozen in South Korea because banks there were reluctant to disburse it and run afoul of U.S. rules, said Patrick Clawson, director of research at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He said that the Trump administration had similarly tried to find a way to set up a channel for the money to be provided for humanitarian purposes, but was unsuccessful.
Even with rules in place limiting how the money may be used, Mr. Clawson said critics of the Biden administration may well argue that providing Iran with access to the $6 billion effectively freed up other money that the Iranian government could then use to fund Hamas and therefore support such attacks.
“Money is fungible,” he said.'
Looks like Fester got the last quote from this guy. But it's not fungible if it hasn't even been distributed yet. And, as I've already said, money freed up only three weeks ago can't possibly have been used in this attack.
Fester is a pinhead.
Have any major critics, OpEds, essayists, talking heads ... suggested that Trump's "loose lips" and giving Top Secret Confidential information to adversaries may have undermined the ability of US and Israeli intel to get info from confidential sources? Trump's numerous disclosures, including giving submarine info to wealthy guests at Mar-A-Lago post-POTUS, put the lives of confidential sources ("assets") at risk and may have led to their death or imprisonment.
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The first occurrence happened after only 3 months in office after Trump ordered his own staff and advisors out of the room when he was speaking alone with 2 Russian diplomats and a Russian "photographer."
http://www.npr.org/2017/05/15/528511980/report-trump-gave-classified-information-to-russians-during-white-house-visit
Reports: Trump Gave Classified Info To Russians During White House Visit.
"... President Trump revealed "highly classified information" to two top Russian officials during a controversial Oval Office meeting last week, according to a report from The Washington Post. The Post, citing current and former U.S. officials, reported Monday evening that the information relayed by the president to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak "jeopardized a critical source of intelligence" on ISIS. ..."
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"... " 'This is code-word information,' said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump 'revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies.' " ..."
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"Greg Miller, one of The Post reporters who broke the story, told NPR's Ari Shapiro on All Things Considered that by sharing the information from another country, it could damage future intelligence gathering and U.S. relations with other partners. "This is not intelligence that the United States gathered or owned. It wasn't up to the United States to share, and so doing so really jeopardizes that relationship. It potentially damages trust that's critical in these kinds of arrangements. And I think that's one of the really big worries here," Miller told NPR. ..."
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Trump also gave Iran secret info about the US's spy technology.
http://www.npr.org/2019/08/30/755994591/president-trump-tweets-sensitive-surveillance-image-of-iran
Trump Tweets Sensitive Surveillance Image Of Iran.
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"President Trump has tweeted what experts say is almost certainly an image from a classified satellite or drone, showing the aftermath of an accident at an Iranian space facility. ..."
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Even commercial satellites picked up evidence of the blast. The blast was not a secret. However, US intel did not want Iran to know the high degree of resolution of US satellites or drones in the area. It was Trump showing off ... and, perhaps, revealing too much info about or even THE EXISTENCE of drone operators near the blast site.
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As MANY have noted, it can take YEARS to build up trusting relationships. They can be destroyed in an instant.
Questions are raising about the Biden administration intelligence and policy failures leading up to the Iranian back invasion of Israel.
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Can you image if George Bush had given Bin Laden $6 billion a few weeks before 9/11?
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Yeah, it's bad like that.
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Also a big problem to for Democrats is the split. Biden has given tacit support to Israel, while one third of the Democrats side with Palestine and consider the rape and murder of women and children acceptable, if not deserving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56hqrlQxMMI
And Trump got all these Middle East countries to normalize relations with Israel? It’s been a while since this conflict fired up again. Did Biden just give Iran a HJ? A few weeks later Hamas attacks Israel. Just brilliant.
This is why my position is the same as it always was. We should give Hamas and Israel very very short range nuclear weapons and hope they wipe each other out.
And he wants them to be wiped out. Even the 50% of Israel that hates Bibi and thinks the Palestinians should have their own state? Now let's see Willy deny he's anti-Semetic.
Iran was obviously emboldened by the release of the 6 billion wether it was directly used (likely not) or it freed up normal GDP for nefarious purposes.
As for why no one caught this? Again there is a constant flow of supplies into Gaza, it’s not like a super tanker rolled and unloaded. Hamas has just been storing material for a while, waiting for marching orders. If the marching orders were withheld till just before attack time then obviously there was no information to be discovered by our intelligence services.
This operation hasn’t required much in the way of tactics, breach the wall by whatever method, go steal cars and take hostages drop IEDs with drones all under the cover of a massive rocket barrage. The concerning part is.., what’s their end goal? HAMAS nor HEZBOLLAH can defeat Israel in open combat. They can’t use NBC agents within Israel as they want the country for themselves.
It seems that they have to walk a serious tight rope here. In my opinion I think the leadership of both Hamas and Hezbollah are being offered something substantial to pull off this nut job move. I realize that the leader ship of both could care less about their fighters in the streets, and even less about the civilians that are getting killed in Gaza and eventually the West Bank! In point of fact to them, my supposition is the more dead civilians that show up lying mangled in the streets of Gaza, or the West Bankfor western film crews, the better for them on the world stage. By their twisted sense of logic, also less mouths to feed. Remember Hamas and Hezbollah leadership don’t live in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank, they live southern Lebanon on palatial estates funded by stolen donations.
Merriam-Webster -- "Something described as fungible can be exchanged for something else of the same kind. For example, when we say “oil is a fungible commodity,” we mean that when a purchaser is expecting a delivery of oil, any oil of the stipulated quantity and quality will usually do. Another example of something fungible is cash. It doesn't matter what twenty dollar bill you get—it’s still worth the same amount as any other twenty dollar bill."
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Let's put it in terms mongers here would understand. You have a mistress who mortgaged a million dollar home. She can't pay the mortgage and she's behind six years in payments so she sucks and fucks you and you give her a million dollars. She pays off the loan and gets clear title. Who paid for the home, you or her? The mortgaged loan money of six years ago that went to the original seller is fungible with the million you just handed her. Neither time nor distance has anything to do with it.
Seriously now that the meetings between Iranians
And Hamas were occurring in Beirut Lebanon while we were working out this bullshit deal!
There is no defending this. The failure here is on the administration for this idiotic move!
Let's say the 6B is hung up at Qatar's central bank . Iran hasn't touched one dollar of it. Would Iran jeopardize this money being sanctioned by USA if it allowed this attack? Is this attack worth 6B to the Iranians??
One way to tell for sure how much involvement the Iranians have on this is if Israel attacks Iran. If not then maybe...
Iran's GDP is $370 billion (and $1.6 trillion PPP.) So $6B less than 2%. I don't think a theocratic dictatorship is going to be swayed by that.
To the Iranian, 6B seems like chump change, loose coin you can find between the cushions of a sofa. So it seems that if Iran financed this attack, they wouldn't need the 6B given for the hostages, this attack was already paid for, why wait for a measly 6B...correct?
But here's where I'm confused. Why are republicans, include yourself if you want screaming about how this measly 6B funded this whole operations when in all probability the Iranian all ready covered the cost. 6B, chump change
My guest is, if it was 6B or $6 given to Iran for the hostages, the right would still stomp their feet and bitch and moan how that money financed the attack. Agree??
And lets see if Israel attacks Iran...that'll tell me how involvement Iran had in this.
You’re going to determine Iran’s culpability based on whether or not Israel attacks Iran? Isn’t that putting the cart before the horse?
always has the horse before the cart. That is his preferred view.
it reminds him of all his lefty friends.
Let's Go Brandon
Maybe you didn’t get how the numbers worked out or maybe you don't want to believe and its hard coded in you that the 6B HAD to fund this attach. I know you want, you need to believe that this raid was funded with the 6B. Without that....you have nothing.It's the republican mantra. I get it.
But I thought the post was very simple based on LP's numbers, this attack and future attacks won't be determined by a measly 6B. If they see the time is right, they'll attack.
But even if you didn't get it, then maybe FM can explain it to you…, that’ll be funny, kinda the blind leading the blind
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I agree that Iran would have funded this attack with or without the $6B. That doesn't stop the $6B from being fungible. There is also the money that Biden gave Gaza that they KNEW would likely help fund Hamas terror.
I agree that Iran would have funded this attack with or without the $6B. That doesn't stop the $6B from being fungible. There is also the money that Biden gave Gaza that they KNEW would likely help fund Hamas terror.