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Re: This thread is a microcosm of (BigPapasan’s Confusion)
followme 359 reads
posted
1 / 15

Could this be the beginning of the end?

http://nypost.com/tag/hunter-biden/

 
Yeah the judge was appointed by Trump however ...
http://nypost.com/2023/06/26/judge-assigned-hunter-biden-plea-gave-to-democrats-gop/

 

Let's go Brandon

2024 = GOP all the Way

impposter 49 Reviews 51 reads
posted
2 / 15

Every legal analysis I read or listened to agreed that the Judge made the right decision. I'll pick the summary of the issues from The Post, The WASHINGTON Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/07/26/plea-deal-hunter-biden/
Why Hunter Biden’s plea deal wasn’t approved on Wednesday.
"A federal judge exposed a rift over immunity provisions, and questioned whether the structure of the deal was legal."
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"But the agreement quickly fell apart in court for two reasons:
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1. The plea deal initially did not protect Hunter Biden from prosecution for other potential charges in connection with a long-running government investigation into his business dealings. When the federal judge asked Hunter Biden if he would plead guilty knowing he could still face additional charges, he said no. Prosecutors in the courtroom maintained this was part of the agreement all along. “Then we misunderstood, we’re ripping it up,” Biden lawyer Chris Clark snapped at them. The two sides then quickly reworked the deal to include immunity for certain tax, drug and gun charges between 2014 to 2019, essentially the main time period covered by the investigation.
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2. The judge then raised constitutional questions. She noted that the immunity provisions were tucked into the agreement involving the gun charge, which she does not actually have to approve. That’s because diversion agreements are forged between prosecutors and defense attorneys. Plea agreements, on the other hand, must be approved by a judge. But the diversion agreement includes language saying the judge could revive the gun charge if Hunter Biden violated the terms of the agreement. The judge said she did not think she has the power to do so. ..."
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Roughly, point 1 is that the "cushy" deal that every righty was complaining about was actually NOT a good deal for Hunter and the Judge would not allow Hunter to get screwed (in this version of the plea deal). Point 2 is some legalese about whether or not the Judge even has jurisdiction to do what was being asked of her, to approve something that isn't even constitutional for her to do.
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So it goes back to Prosecution - Defense negotiations and this is where Hunter might get screwed. Opinions of many talking heads were that the Prosecution usually gets tougher after a plea deal goes bad so it could be tougher on Hunter.  
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The re-negotiations should take place over next 30 days and they should reappear in court in late August.
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On a related note, Trump has been running (his mouth and social media) on a platform that he will pardon those convicted of crimes related to the Jan 6 insurrection. Meanwhile. the White House replied to a journalist's question that Joe Biden would NOT be granting a pardon to Hunter Biden.

Posted By: followme

Could this be the beginning of the end?  
   
 http://nypost.com/tag/hunter-biden/  
   
 Yeah the judge was appointed by Trump however ...  
 http://nypost.com/2023/06/26/judge-assigned-hunter-biden-plea-gave-to-democrats-gop/  
 

followme 48 reads
posted
3 / 15

That joe aka the big guy will NOT grant cunter a pardon?

If so you are one of the most gullible people on the planet.

 
Let’s Go Brandon

2024 = GOP All The Way

impposter 49 Reviews 51 reads
posted
4 / 15

"Do YOU really believe" that Trump is NOT guilty of:
- willful retention of national defense information
- conspiracy to obstruct justice
- false statements and representations (regarding documents)
- falsifying business records  
- lying about having an affair with Stormy Daniels  
- obstruction of an official proceeding
- conspiracy to defraud the government
- incitement of an insurrection
- election code violations (in GA)
- defamation of EJ Carroll (already found guilty)
- sexual abuse of EJ Carroll (already found guilty)
- and more to come  
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"If so you are one of the most gullible people on the planet."  
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When Ford pardoned Nixon in 1974, it ended the ongoing investigations of Watergate. Even then, some felt it was important to complete the investigations and find out and fix what went wrong and to prevent it from happening again. As of now, the Trump appointed Weiss's DoJ investigation of Hunter is continuing. Joe is not issuing a pardon which would end it.

Posted By: followme
Re: Do you really believe  
That joe aka the big guy will NOT grant cunter a pardon?  
   
 If so you are one of the most gullible people on the planet.

followme 48 reads
posted
5 / 15

As usual you duck, dodge and divert and go into your usual Whaa Whaa Trump this and  Whaa Whaa Whaa Trump that.
 
Can a president pardon himself?
 Maybe the decrepit old fuck aka the big guy is waiting for the hammer to drop on him then he can do a twofer pardon.(him and cunter at once). He has 541 days to figure it out.

OK let’s hear it  Whaaaaaaaa, Whaaaaaaaaa Trump, Trump, Trump

 
Let’s go Brandon

cks175 44 Reviews 38 reads
posted
6 / 15

Two things:
1. Weiss was initially appointed by Obama
2. Weiss was appointed on the recommendation of both of Delaware’s Dem Senators.

impposter 49 Reviews 51 reads
posted
7 / 15

3. Weiss was appointed by Trump.  
(Trump also appointed Jeff Sessions as AG and then called him "Mr. Magoo," "a disaster," "not mentally qualified to be AG," and said of him, "This guy is mentally retarded. He's this dumb Southerner.")
(Trump also appointed Bill Barr as AG and then called him "a RINO," "a disappointment," "a weak and frightened AG," and "a gutless pig" when Barr said there was no election fraud.)  
4. Weiss is a registered Republican.  
5. Weiss's appointment was approved unanimously by the Senate.  
6. At the time, the Republicans had a 52-46 majority over the Democrats (and 2 independents) and could have rejected Weiss.

Posted By: cks175
Re: Do you really believe (The “Trump Appointed” Weiss Trope)
Two things:  
 1. Weiss was initially appointed by Obama  
 2. Weiss was appointed on the recommendation of both of Delaware’s Dem Senators.

cks175 44 Reviews 57 reads
posted
8 / 15

One of Biden’s key aides was working in Weiss’s office. The appearance of impropriety can’t be erased now. Time for a Special Counsel that can’t be railroaded by AG Garland’s henchmen.

impposter 49 Reviews 62 reads
posted
9 / 15

The IRS whistleblowers testified to things that happened with the Hunter investigation DURING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, not during the Biden administration.  
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The recently rejected plea deal only covered the IRS tax avoidance issue (Hunter paid the back taxes and penalties) and the fraudulent statement on his gun application (Hunter lied about his drug addiction). As Weiss has said all along, his office continues to investigate other matters about Hunter and his business dealings. Despite it being an ongoing investigation, Weiss and the DoJ have agreed to testify ***publicly*** before Congress. Jim Jordan does not want a public hearing; Jordan wants a closed door hearing so he can control the narrative.
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/justice-department-to-make-prosecutor-in-hunter-biden-case-
available-to-testify-before-congress
Justice Department to make prosecutor in Hunter Biden case available to testify before Congress
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"The lead prosecutor in the case against President Joe Biden’s son Hunter says he is willing to testify ***publicly*** this fall, setting up a clash with House Republicans who have demanded he come in soon for a closed-door interview.
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In a two-page letter to Rep. Jim Jordan on Monday, the Justice Department offered to make U.S. Attorney David Weiss of Delaware available before the House Judiciary Committee for a ***public hearing*** after the August break as Republicans continue to escalate their ongoing investigation into his handling of the probe into Hunter Biden.
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“The Department believes it is strongly in the public interest for the American people and for Congress to hear directly from U.S. Attorney Weiss on these assertions and questions about his authority at a public hearing,” Assistant Attorney General Carlos Uriarte wrote to Jordan.
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“U.S. Attorney Weiss is the appropriate person to speak to these issues, as he is both the senior Department official responsible for the investigation as well as the person with direct knowledge of the facts necessary to respond to the assertions in which you have expressed interest,” Uriarte wrote.
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It is unclear if Jordan will accept the offer for a public hearing."
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Will cks and followme accept a public hearing?

Posted By: cks175
Re:  (The “Trump Appointed” Weiss Trope) Its Time For A Special Prosecutor  
One of Biden’s key aides was working in Weiss’s office. The appearance of impropriety can’t be erased now. Time for a Special Counsel that can’t be railroaded by AG Garland’s henchmen.

inicky46 61 Reviews 44 reads
posted
10 / 15

Our resident partisan hack is a glutton for abuse.
Cluck.

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 43 reads
posted
11 / 15

As it was before it was shut down and as it still is.  Read the posts in this thread by the lefties and the righties.

 
On the left you have 'impposter.'  He posts FACTS.  Cold...hard...FACTS, backed by links.

 
On the right there is 'followme' who ignores TER's reminder: "Refrain from personal attacks."
Here are followme's personal attacks in this thread:
"cunter"
"Wimpyimpy"
"the decrepit old fuck"

 
Also on the right is cks175 who posts lies and innuendo:
He posted: "Weiss was initially appointed by Obama."  This is a LIE!  David C. Weiss is a REPUBLICAN. He served as an assistant United States Attorney in Delaware from 1986 to 1989, during the REPUBLICAN administration of Ronald Reagan.  He went to the private sector but he returned to the Delaware U.S. Attorney's office as First Assistant U.S. Attorney in 2007 during the administration of REPUBLICAN George W. Bush.  Weiss served as both both the Acting and Interim United States Attorney for the District of Delaware (2009 to 2011) under Obama and served as the First Assistant United States Attorney (2012-2018) both under Obama and Trump.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_C._Weiss
http://www.justice.gov/usao-de/meet-us-attorney posted  

 
Trump nominated Weiss to be the U.S, Attorney for Delaware:
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2017/11/18/president-nominate-david-weiss-us-attorney-delaware/877686001/

 
cks175 posted "Weiss was initially appointed by Obama" with NO proof, NO link.  It is an outright LIE.  cks175 has been caught in many lies over the years but that has not embarrassed him enough to dissuade him from continuing to post lies.  He constantly ignores TER's reminder to: "Avoid deliberate misinformation."

 
cks175 refers to "The 'Trump Appointed' Weiss Trope,"  It's obvious cks175 does not know what a "trope" is.

 
cks175 also posted this innuendo:
"One of Biden’s key aides was working in Weiss’s office. The appearance of impropriety can’t be erased now."
Once again - NO proof, NO link.  What is the name of "one of Biden's key aides?"  What "appearance of impropriety?"

 
TER lefties have no one to debate with on P&R.  The right either posts LIES or engages in PERSONAL ATTACKS. The right can't post honestly - if they did they'd lose every debate.  That's why they have to resort to LIES and name calling.  Let's see a righty point out any lies and name-calling by lefties in this thread.

cks175 44 Reviews 47 reads
posted
12 / 15

Another banal rant from our resident scold. The irony of the mentally challenged BigP____ trying to school me on the use of the English language is lost on no one.

Innuendo?
Alexander Snyder-Mackler, a former legal counsel to Joe Biden when he was vice president and a press secretary for then-Sen. Biden between 2007 and 2008, served as an assistant United States attorney in the Delaware U.S. Attorney's office under David Weiss from August 2016 to May 2019. During that time, Weiss was leading the federal investigation into Hunter Biden for tax fraud and illegal foreign
Trope?
a common or overused theme or device
Let’s hope that the next time BigP____ attempts to match wits with me, he self edits with a dictionary. It would save him the embarrassment of getting stuffed here at P&R once again.

impposter 49 Reviews 57 reads
posted
13 / 15

Thank you for the link. You did not quote the part of the article that says, "It's unclear what, if any, role Mackler played in the probe." I'll add emphasis to "IF ANY." To date, no role has been reported, possibly because Mackler played NO ROLE in the probe.  I read several articles about the IRS whistleblower testimony and I do not remember any of them mentioning Mackler. (If you find a reference, please post.)  
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Investigation may identify what Mackler's role was (sharpening pencils or actively interfering) and then determine its effect on the investigation, if any, and how to deal with it (censure? ethics charges? other? nothing?), and how to prevent it from happening in the future (better disclosure statements?).

Posted By: cks175
Innuendo?
Alexander Snyder-Mackler, a former legal counsel to Joe Biden when he was vice president and a press secretary for then-Sen. Biden between 2007 and 2008, served as an assistant United States attorney in the Delaware U.S. Attorney's office under David Weiss from August 2016 to May 2019. During that time, Weiss was leading the federal investigation into Hunter Biden for tax fraud and illegal foreign
Trope?
a common or overused theme or device

Related Link: https://news.yahoo.com/longtime-biden-ally-prosecutor-us-000320888.html
And to repeat, it was still Trump's DoJ from 2016-2019.

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 45 reads
posted
14 / 15

You posted:
"Weiss was initially appointed by Obama."
That is a LIE!!!  You obviously avoided that and focused on "innuendo" and "trope."  Is it because you don't know the definition of "LIE" or you don't want to admit you LIED?

 
LIE: an untruth; a falsehood.
TRUTH: something cks175 avoids like the plague.  cks posted: "Weiss was initially appointed by Obama."  That is NOT the TRUTH; it is a LIE.  But like the rest of TER righties, cks175 will NEVER fess up to lying.

-- Modified on 8/3/2023 12:20:08 AM

impposter 49 Reviews 59 reads
posted
15 / 15

Correction:

Posted By: impposter
And to repeat, it was still Trump's DoJ from 2016-2019.
Mackler joined the Delaware DoJ office on August 22, 2016.  
It's was Trump's DoJ starting on Jan 20, 2017.  
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The whistleblowers complained about interference in 2019, TRUMP'S DoJ.

-- Modified on 8/3/2023 1:41:13 PM

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