How is it possible, in a post 9/11 world, does a man hop the WH fence, open an UNLOCKED door and make it all the way into the East room before being stopped?

The guy had an assault rifle.  From what I heard in the news reports, he did not get that many shots off before Capitol PD took him out.  It was CPD that was providing security - Secret Service was not there according to the reports I've seen.

I think the point of Jack's post was not how to keep guns out of the hands of these wackos, but rather how do we let people get so close to officials.  The White House grounds breech is one thing, but I don't know what you can do about today - he could not access the field due to a locked gate so there was some sort of a secure perimeter.

Now they can blame Russia.

I have some theories. Some of them may seem off the wall!

Here's just one. Some of these guys doing the supposed protecting are just glorified security guards; many of whom have ADHD. They find it extremely difficult to concentrate on anything that doesn't move rapidly: "Squirrel!" Let's be honest. Even peace officers; even the most highly trained, dedicated and upstanding are not compensated to the level of their training and responsibility. If they aren't, most of these other so called security foot-soldiers aren't either. I think a good example is reflected in some of the stories coming out about how airline passengers are being treated. Most well training, responsible, moral people will not work for the wages being paid. But, the airlines figure it pays them to pay as low as wages as possible, and pay the legal fees if anything goes wrong. It's much like with infrastructure. Not much attention is focused on it until a bridge collapses, or a dam bursts, and a lot of people are killed. Then there comes the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. In the next moment comes all the finger pointing!

... take away Medicaid and Food Stamps from all the rednecks in Red states + kick 10 to 15 million off their health care.     These lawmakers are playing with people's lives and food on the table.     A new CBO report says up to 1 million jobs will be gone with the proposed GOP Healthcare Law.

...Steve Scalise is the Majority Whip and the third highest ranking member of the GOP.

WILMINGTON, N.C. — Donald J. Trump on Tuesday appeared to raise the possibility that gun rights supporters could take matters into their own hands if Hillary Clinton is elected president and appoints judges who favor stricter gun control measures.
Repeating his contention that Mrs. Clinton wanted to abolish the right to bear arms, Mr. Trump warned at a rally here that it would be “a horrible day” if Mrs. Clinton were elected and got to appoint a tiebreaking Supreme Court justice.
“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

“As we were standing here this morning, a gunman walked up to the fence line and just began to shoot. I was standing at home plate and he was in the third base line,” Bishop said. “He had a rifle that was clearly meant for the job of taking people out, multiple casualties, and he had several rounds and magazines that he kept unloading and reloading.”

In fact, if Majority Whip Scalise had not been at the practice, there would have been no Capitol Police there as well.  My guess is that policies will be changed so that whenever there is a group of Congress members or Senators out at a function, there will be mandatory security provided.  It is likely too cumbersome to provide each member with round-the-clock personal security but some steps will surely be taken.

So in the state of Virginia:
1-No background checks
2-No licensing
3-No registration
4-No permit req’d for concealed carry of long guns
5-Open carry long guns & handguns

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In states with the lethal combination of open carry, no assault weapon ban, and no high capacity magazine ban, it is not only possible but easier than getting a library card. A bad guy with an AW and high capacity mag   can walk up to any public park visibly armed and no one can stop him.  

Thanks for playing both the stupid card and hateful card yet again. Once again you are sitting there with one of a kind but thinking you have a royal flush.

Because even as you admit, they aren't fool proof. Let's stipulate this guy would have had the gun pre-ban and never gave it up, stole it, bought it on black market, etc etc etc

Not to be glib but with no perimeter security he probably parked 20 feet from the perimeter fence..... you can see the park on E Monroe avenue in Alexandria and there is a dead end street on the third base side where he was....with numerous parking spots.

, that Congressmen and their staffers regularly play outdoor volleyball on the courts near the Lincoln Memorial, that they run in the Georgetown 10 K, that they play pick up ball on the outdoor courts in Adams Morgan? Walk down the National Mall on a spring evening after work and see them pour out the door to play soccer, Frisbee, BB, and whatever.

...has been open too long, violent behavior has permeated american society so deeply that many of us will never live to see the day of improvement & blaming firearms accomplishes nothing because we can't do anything about them. Besides firearms are just a tool to get a violent job done much like an impact wrench is for a mechanic or a nail gun is for a carpenter. There are so many wonderful compassionate behavior examples of people helping others better themselves in life & giving what they don't need when they can it's indeed sad when a terrible event like this seems to overshadow that. As far as extra security patrols I support that effort but it's like "wack-a-mole" just when you make one group safe the nuts go on to another, we need leadership that gives this nation a positive example of how to treat each other not some mean spirited tweeter.

And is it really asking too much to have SOME under cover cops and maybe SS mingled through out? Is it asking too much to have SOMEONE with a semi-automatic rifle on site? Anyone? Is it really asking too much to funnel people through a corridor to get to the field so security can check everyone out first? Of course not.

Your hero James T. Hodgkinson is from Illinois and it has been reported that he obtained/purchased the guns in Illinois, therefore he had to comply with those laws. So what does the Virginia gun laws have to do with anything.  

...jumping the White House fence and getting all the way to the East Room.  I explained how he could do it.  I've interacted with more cops than anyone on this board, including YOU!  I know what I'm talking about.

I’m going to give you every security measure you have listed.

I dont need you to tell me how the guy got into the East room dummy. He hopped a fence and went through an OPEN and UNGUARDED door. Piss poor security.

Pretty sure a 50 caliber assault rifle is illegal to carry around D.C. E

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1) It wasn't a .50 cal.  It was a .762 assault rifle.
2) He wasn't in DC.  He was in Alexandria, VA.

no AW ban, and no large capacity mag ban, rather than Virginia.  In a state with this lethal combination, Jack’s “we need more security” argument is unpersuasive.

There unlike VA D.C. Police could stop you with a 50 cal.

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carrying a gun that large near that game would have been stopped  and escorted  out . They  would have worried about his legal rights later.

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I specifically mentioned a corridor the guy would have passed through where a pat down would have taken place. Odd how you missed that.

The rifle the congressional shooter used is not a .762 it is in fact a 7.62mm assault rifle.
He also had a 9mm hand gun.

In the attack on the Congressmen in Virginia.  That puts me about 1,567,892,435 mistakes behind you..
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