Let us start with the most deplorable, the republicans. Let me state for the record I am extremely pro life. You will never meet anyone more pro life. I strongly believe in the right in determining what happens to one's body, but not right is absolute and your rights end when someone else's right begin. Your right to deciding what happens to your body end 's when it affects someone's right to life. I believe the unborn are someone's. I am anti-abortion. That said Texas's abortion ban is abhorrent.

How many so called Republican's ran on a tort reform platform over the years? I bet most of them. It has always been a party talking point, one that I agree with. Now they do the exact opposite. Shameful. Worse if this stands no right will be safe. What is stopping the same twisted legal mechanisms to be applied to right to bare arms, freedom of religion,  freedom of speech? If the Supreme Court upholds this law when it is on the real docket not just the shadow docket? I will tell you nothing. All our rights are open season as there will be a Supreme Court approved established blue print on how to get around the Constitution. The way to approach the abortion issue is with court challenges or attempting an amendment to the constitution, not throwing away our constitutional protections. The Texas Republican's actions are dangerous. I hope the courts ultimately strike down this law forever closing weaponizing law suits to enforce unconstitutional law.

Speaking of the right to determining what happens to one's own body and the right to privacy, the Democrats are being a bunch of damn disgraceful hypocrites as well. How many many Democrats claim to be pro choice? Nearly all of them. The legitimate court supported argument for legal abortions is the right to chose what happens to one's body and privacy of said choice. It is the bases of Roe VS Wade. It is the bases of HIPPA law. It is the bases that made anal sex legal in my state. A position the Democrats historically supported.  

Yet now we have vaccine mandates and passports from these same people. Let me state I am a believer in vaccines and have been vaccinated. I was the second the six months studies was done. But it was my choice. Forcing millions to take a Vaccine that alters one's RNA and prove it is flying right in the face of the right to self determination of one's own body and privacy. These are rights are rights or they are not. COVID is less lethal then abortions after all by a lot.  There is no stopping COVID-19 at this point. It literally the new seasonal flu. Rights are rights or they are not. You can't have it both ways.

Bot sides of the Isle are being an utter disgrace. I am so glad I am neither but am actively sad for our nation.  Hippocrates. Where is the stand on the ideals the parties claim to support? Am I the only one ashamed of our Nations leadership on both sides? Both sides are making power grabs they shouldn't.  I know I am going to get roasted by both sides as I attacked both. I don't care it had to be said.  

One thing it has been shown the vaccines do not stop one from spreading COVID, just you are more likely to be asymptomatic when you do get it, thus a super-spreader. Yes you are also 40 to 60 percent less likely to catch it, but one out in about person who doesn't know they are sick can do more damage than several sick in their beds. So these vaccines don't stop you form spreading it. This is fact. Now I do think getting vaccinated is the right call. Science supports this. I think most choosing not to get vaccinated are idiots, but being an idiot is a idiot is a God given right. After all how many idiots are unhappy with how things are going yet continue to vote these clowns in? See a God given right. I am glad for that right by the way. More than once I played that role. It is when I got the crap beat out of me because of my stupidity I grew the most.

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Glad I am not alone in feeling this. I sometimes feel alone as most seem to walk lock step with one side or the other.

The Republicans are the so-called party of "family values" yet are constantly caught up in illicit affairs. They are the party of "small government" and yet government debt explodes under their care. They are the "pro life" party, but don't give a damn about the baby after it's born.
Democrats used to be the party of the middle class and poor, but did you see any real effort to extend unemployment benefits when they expired a few weeks ago tossing millions into food insecurity and economic chaos? Democrats claim to be pro-women and pro-LGBT agenda but they idolize the rap & hip hop community, which demeans gays and women routinely for financial gain.  
I could go on and on. This board does amuse me when one side calls the other side hypocrites. BOTH sides are disgustingly hypocritical. Only hyper partisans can't acknowledge that obvious truth.

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And I voted for 4 Democrats and 12 third party candidates it is plan I no longer support either party. I left the Republican party in 2012. I am discusseded by the behaviors of both parties on the na0tional level and know good folk on both sides on a local level. (And some not so good people. Yes, at one time I was a sie hard Republican. Now not so much.  

So my side is the most honest person I can find on the ballot. Lately I haven't been able to find anyone nationally  that fits so I have been voting the lesser of all evils. On a national level that hasn't had a D or an R next to their name in years. I don't have a side. Both sides left me long ago.

I will admit I have a Libertarian streak. If a party is my side it is them. But my official party is independent.

But it still doesn't' stop him from calling others crazy.

Third party voters don’t believe that it’s necessary to make a choice based on lesser of two evils logic.

I can point to many examples of huge power grabs by both sides. But if you can't see it you are blind to you own sides over reaches. Thw Democrats are literally telling me what to do with my own body and demanding I make part of my medical record public with these vaccine passports. Sadly as I see it most of the leadership in Washington on both sides can't be trusted as they are utterly morality bankrupt, corrupt, and care for little more then there own power. Other then the lies they spout, and the special interest groups that back them there is little difference.

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"a Vaccine that alters one's RNA" - False. It does not alter the patient's RNA.
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"Bot sides of the Isle are being an utter disgrace." Agree (except for the typos).

Mary Mallon was a cook who KNEW she was an asymptomatic carrier of typhoid.  She was quarantined for three years and then released when she promised not to work as a cook anymore.  She worked as a laundress but then went back to being a cook under an assumed name because cooks were paid more.  She infected many more people until she was arrested and quarantined for the last 23 years of her life.

 
But it was her God-given right to be an idiot, right scoed?

Not that I actually supported her. No candidate on the ballot was electable in my opinion. I voted for her so the Libertarians  would get more federal money.  

Trump was an embarrassment and corrupt. Biden is senile and corrupt. There is solid evidence both are sexual predators. I would not vote before voting for ether. I would not hire ether to run a child's lemonade stand let alone the country.

 
Second the vaccine doesn't prevent you from being a carrier. Yes it reduces the odds of you catching it by 40 to 60 percent depending on the damn study you look at but what is more likely is you still get it but become asymptomatic yes still able to spread the disease though. The vaccine does not stop the spread. It does save l Iives though and most people should get it. I have. Just one asymptomatic person out and about not knowing ther are sick will spread the disease more then two people sick in their bed will.

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Willy's issuing warnings now. How about warning us before your next ridiculous post.

See, republicans mostly run on their hypocrisy, you know family values, the rule of law, the love for the military and their love for the constitution. Then they'll trash everything they ran on, or they'll lie about it. They'll paint themselves as the holier than thou party.
So it's you

LB wouldn't know what a strawman argument is without googling it first.

Here a fascist, There a fascist, Everywhere a facist!!! Gollum, who did you get the whole fascist thing from? Which MSNBC or CNN Anchor said that?