Politics and Religion

Re: Lying LTM strikes again
coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 9 reads
posted
1 / 19

According to Snopes.com, there is "no documentation that Fred Trump was a KKK member or supporter . . . . ."

 
Nice try reckless one.  

followme 14 reads
posted
2 / 19

In the text of the article you linked it states “Donald Trump’s mother once reportedly asked….”

REPORTEDLY asked….. let me spell that for you R-P-O-R-T-E-D-L-Y.

Reportedly - according to what some say (used to express the speaker's belief that the information given is NOT necessarily true).  

You must have spent/wasted many hours digging for that article that is almost two years old.  
You ,LTM, will of course will twist and distort it to make it sound as bad as possible  

If she did in fact sat it how do you know it was not meant in the context of admiration of his success?  
Neither of us know if she actually said it and if so the context it was meant.

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impposter 49 Reviews 15 reads
posted
3 / 19

Posted By: followme
Re: Lying LTM strikes again
In the text of the article you linked it states “Donald Trump’s mother once reportedly asked….”
That is how journalists write when they are quoting a secondary source. If you read the ORIGINAL article in Vanity Fair, Sept 1990, around the time of Trump's divorce and Marla Maples scandals and Atlantic City bankrupticies, and more, it says: "She [first wife Ivana] had been completely humiliated by Donald through his public association with Marla Maples. “How can you say you love us? You don’t love us! You don’t even love yourself. You just love your money,” twelve-year-old Donald Junior told his father, according to friends of Ivana’s. “What kind of son have I created?” Trump’s mother, Mary, is said to have asked Ivana."
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About his father, Fred: "When I asked Donald Trump about this [his German background], he [Donald] was evasive: “Actually, it was very difficult. My father was not German; my father’s *parents* were German ..." Weird ... just recently, talking about Germany, Trump claimed his father was born a beautiful little town in Germany. Go figure. Or does this mean that where you were born determines your nationality and not your parental lineage? Does that only apply to the Trump family and some nations or does it apply to everyone and even non-European ancestry? You know, like The Squad.  
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There is a section about Trump reading Hitler's speeches in My New Order. "Last April [1990], perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed." ... Trump is then quoted, ""Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he’s a Jew.” (“I did give him a book about Hitler,” Marty Davis said. “But it was My New Order, Hitler’s speeches, not Mein Kampf. I thought he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but I’m not Jewish.”) ... Later, Trump returned to this subject. “If I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do [well, you just said that Davis gave you a Hitler book, either Main Kampf or My New Order and now you're saying he didn't give you the book?], I would never read them.”"  
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"I was still searching for Donald Trump. On a rainy Thursday in July, I went down to federal court, where he was set to testify in a civil case in which he was a defendant. Along with his contractor, Trump had been accused of hiring scores of illegal Polish aliens to do the demolition work on the Trump Tower site. “The Polish brigade,” as they came to be called, had been astonishingly exploited on the job, earning four dollars an hour for work that usually paid five times that." Trump lost the case and agreed to a settlement.  
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The 1990 Vanity Fair article is what people in NY and on the east coast have known about Trump from the 1970s onward and to this day. He is a lying, manipulative, back-stabbing, cheating narcissist.

impposter 49 Reviews 12 reads
posted
4 / 19

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: Another Laffy lie . . . .  
According to Snopes.com, there is "no documentation that Fred Trump was a KKK member or supporter . . . . ."
WHICH Snopes article? Link, please.  (From other sources: No proof of KKK membership. No question that he was present at a 1927 KKK rally.  Some question whether he was a KKK supporter or a just bystander.)  
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Trump#1927_arrest  
"On Memorial Day in 1927, the Ku Klux Klan marched in Queens to protest Protestant American citizens being "assaulted by Roman Catholic police of New York City." Trump and six other men were arrested "on a charge of refusing to disperse from a parade when ordered to do so." All seven arrested were referred to as "berobed marchers" in the Long Island Daily Press; Trump was the only one not held on charges."
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In 1927, Fred Trump was one of 7 people arrested at KKK rally in Queens, NY.  This was news in several local newspapers that covered the story.  
http://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mvke38/all-the-evidence-we-could-find-about-fred-trumps-alleged-involvement-with-the-kkk

"None of the articles prove that Fred Trump was a MEMBER of the Klan, and it's possible that he was, as Boing Boing suggested, just a bystander at the rally. But while Donald Trump is absolutely right to say that his father was not charged in the 1927 incident, the candidate's other claims—that Fred Trump never lived at 175-24 Devonshire Road, and more importantly, that his involvement in a Klan rally "never happened"—appear to be untrue."

-- Modified on 7/24/2019 9:27:09 PM

followme 13 reads
posted
5 / 19

You libs are so thin skinned, but it if fun watching you take the bait ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Also you ducked the main point which is there was no proof that Trump's mother actually said it other than a supposed reporter/journalist claims someone told him. He could have made it up for all you know....and you know about making shit up since you do it ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

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coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 12 reads
posted
6 / 19

you just took five times as many words to say it.  So are you saying Fred of Trump is guilty until proven innocent?  That sounds like Progressive talk.  The constitution has it the other way around.  Don't be so un-American.  Snopes said no evidence that he was a member or supporter of the KKK.  That's good enough for me.  Just google "Was Fred Trump a member of the KKK", and click the snopes hit.  

impposter 49 Reviews 17 reads
posted
7 / 19

MOST of what I posted is material quoted from other linked sources so others could read and draw their own conclusions.  
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**One thing we know for sure: Fred Trump was arrested at a KKK rally in 1927.**  
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POTUS denies that his father Fred ever lived on Devonshire (marriage records prove otherwise) and POTUS denies that his father Fred was ever arrested (records prove otherwise).

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: You're saying the same thing I said, but . . . .
you just took five times as many words to say it.  So are you saying Fred of Trump is guilty until proven innocent?  That sounds like Progressive talk.  The constitution has it the other way around.  Don't be so un-American.  Snopes said no evidence that he was a member or supporter of the KKK.  That's good enough for me.  Just google "Was Fred Trump a member of the KKK", and click the snopes hit.  
Too many Snopes links. Just post the link you referenced.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 13 reads
posted
8 / 19

Failing to disperse when ordered by the police.  The news reports said no evidence he was a member or supporter of the clam.. Maybe he was there throwing rocks at the Klansmen.  We don't know, so you shouldn't speculate.

JakeFromStateFarm 13 reads
posted
9 / 19
GaGambler 11 reads
posted
10 / 19

I think everyone here knows I am not  white. I "almost" got arrested at a Klan rally back for grabbing some hood wearing punk and ripping the hood right off of him, only to find a little pimply faced,  teen aged, snot nosed kid who I am pretty sure pissed his pants the moment me and my black buddy acted like we were going to kick his ass, only he was so pitiful and we both felt so bad for the little punk that we just let him going running back home to his mommy. lol

 
Lets say for the moment that I did get arrested for that, I still would forever have it on my record for having been arrested at a KKK rally, even if it were for kicking for one of those hooded cowards ass.  

 
That said, I still defend their right to march. if ANTIFA and BLM can march, so can the KKK. It's only freedom of speech if EVERYBODY is allowed to speak, even some of the idiots on this board. Personally I would love it if some of those ANTIFA punks got their hoods ripped off their faces, which I imagine might just happen if they try pulling their shit here in Texas.

impposter 49 Reviews 18 reads
posted
11 / 19

Posted By: followme
Also you ducked the main point which is there was no proof that Trump's mother actually said it other than a supposed reporter/journalist claims someone told him. He could have made it up for all you know....and you know about making shit up since you do it ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
The 1990 Vanity Fair article was contemporaneous with the events it described. People were not reaching back 30 years to recall stories, they were describing ongoing current events from the preceding weeks or months.  
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I did a quick search for any law suits or articles that disputed the claims in the Vanity Fair article. Recall that Trump was suing lots of people back then and threatening to sue many others.  I found no stories about first wife Ivana, Trump or anyone else claiming that the article was libelous or made any serious misrepresentations. Most journalists keep notes (or even voice recordings) of people they interview. If a question HAD come up, the author could have either asked (but not compelled) the source to make a public statement or otherwise defend what they wrote.  Mary Trump didn't die until 2000. Maybe the courts could have asked Mary to ADMIT or DENY that she made the statement.  I did a quick search for "Mary Trump" articles around 1990 and didn't find a denial.  The article was not challenged at the time of publication.  

impposter 49 Reviews 13 reads
posted
12 / 19

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: His dad was arrested for . . . .
Failing to disperse when ordered by the police.  The news reports said no evidence he was a member or supporter of the clam.. Maybe he was there throwing rocks at the Klansmen.  We don't know, so you shouldn't speculate.
**One thing we know for sure: Fred Trump was arrested at a KKK rally in 1927.**
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One of the 1927 local newspaper articles describing the incident reported that all seven of those arrested were "berobed" (that is, KKK robes). Photos? No. Film? No. Video? No. Digitally captured live streaming? No. One story that says all seven were "berobed."  The other newspaper accounts do not comment on what the arrested seven were wearing.  
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As noted below, the validated history (court documents, sworn testimony, DoJ investigations into discrimination) of Fred and Donald Trump suggest that they were more sympathetic to KKK doctrines than they would be opposed to KKK doctrines.  
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Like many other issues related to the Trumps and their history:
Pro-Trumpers will hold that it is unproven that Fred was a supporter of the KKK.
Oppo-Trumpers will hold that it is likely that Fred was a supporter of the KKK.

I cannot imagine any evidence coming to light that will settle the issue one way or another. (Mary Trump's diaries? "1927. Fred looks so gallant in his robe and hood! So disappointed that he wasn't elected Grand Wizard." Or "Had Fred's KKK friends over to dinner on Tuesday. They seem like nice fellows. One asked for my chicken recipe to bring home to his wife.")

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 8 reads
posted
13 / 19

newspapers often got their facts wrong.  Very few took photographs and video had not been invented yet.  I think the facts are that Fred Trump was not shown to be a KKK member or a supporter.  Anything else is desperate speculation,.

impposter 49 Reviews 14 reads
posted
14 / 19

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: In those days, small local . . . .
newspapers often got their facts wrong.  Very few took photographs and video had not been invented yet.  I think the facts are that Fred Trump was not shown to be a KKK member or a supporter.
We do not have ironclad proof that Fred was a member: no KKK membership list, no canceled checks that say, "KKK Membership Dues", etc.. There is no ironclad proof that Fred was a supporter: no letter to the editor that I says, "I support the KKK, signed Fred Trump." No photos or court testimony regarding the nature of Fred's "involvement" with the KKK. Etc.
Anything else is desperate speculation,.
Based on the documented history of racism by the Trump family (housing discrimination in Cleveland in the 1960s, in NY in the 1960s-1970s, etc.) there is REASONABLE speculation that Trump might have been at the 1927 KKK rally to support the KKK rather than to oppose or merely observe the KKK.
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Pro-Trumpers claim "desperate speculation."
Oppo-Trumpers claim "reasonable speculation."

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 9 reads
posted
15 / 19

that there are "degrees" of speculation, and YOUR speculation in light of the facts is somehow the superior form, go ahead.  I don't think it makes you look very good.  My impression is that you Libs are running out of things to bash Trump on after the Mueller disaster, and no you default into desperation mode.  

GaGambler 12 reads
posted
16 / 19

Pro-Trumpers claim "desperate speculation."             5%

 
Oppo-Trumpers claim "reasonable speculation."        5%

 
Normal people couldn't give a fuck less                         90%

impposter 49 Reviews 11 reads
posted
17 / 19

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: If you want to argue . . . .
that there are "degrees" of speculation, and YOUR speculation in light of the facts is somehow the superior form, go ahead.
I made no such argument. You imagined it. I made two simple statements with no value judgements.  
Potato, potato. Tomato, tomato. Either, either. Caribbean, Caribbean.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 12 reads
posted
18 / 19

the civil rights movement, MANY real estate developers would not rent to Blacks, and often it was NOT because they were racist, it was because the other tenants in their buildings were.  There were many examples during that time of a landlord renting to Blacks only to have their white tenants start moving out.  These are business people, and they don't want their building foreclosed because they have no rental income after the white tenants have moved out.  Harry Helmsley was another that did not rent to blacks in  buildings he owned until the civil rights legislation became law and he was forced to.  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 8 reads
posted
19 / 19

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