all of these discussion boards terrorists (xfean)... Don't get mad at me I'm with you on the whole Obama side of things, but posting 10 different messages doesn't allow for much discussion, lol (nobody knows what to respond to)...

I'm new to interacting on this board so maybe that is how things are over hear... Anyway, xfean do you babe its a free world, kisses...

-- Modified on 10/14/2008 10:42:00 PM

are we coud discuss the topics I raised with the news paper URL/links


SO WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION
STARTING WITH SOME OF THE LINKS I POSTED

LETS DISCUSS THIS
Sarah Palin: The most unqualified Vice Presidential Candidate EVER!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6sSaV2xuW4

-- Modified on 10/15/2008 12:16:04 AM

Obama now has a double digit lead in formerly 'safe' red states - every time McCain opens his mouth he steps on his dick, Palin is a buffoon in total denial of the Troopergate findings, even rednecks are appalled by the vicious nature of Palin's rallies - it's shaping up to be a landslide for Obama and they all have to get used to having a black man in the white house.

I'd feel bad for 'em, but all I have to do is go back a month or so on this board and read all the lies they spout - then i just think "fuck 'em".

we still have a ways to go till election day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

By Charles Krauthammer
Saturday, September 13, 2008; Page A17

"At times visibly nervous . . . Ms. Palin most visibly stumbled when she was asked by Mr. Gibson if she agreed with the Bush doctrine. Ms. Palin did not seem to know what he was talking about. Mr. Gibson, sounding like an impatient teacher, informed her that it meant the right of 'anticipatory self-defense.' "

-- New York Times, Sept. 12

Informed her? Rubbish.

The New York Times got it wrong. And Charlie Gibson got it wrong.

There is no single meaning of the Bush doctrine. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration -- and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.

He asked Palin, "Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?"


She responded, quite sensibly to a question that is ambiguous, "In what respect, Charlie?"

Sensing his "gotcha" moment, Gibson refused to tell her. After making her fish for the answer, Gibson grudgingly explained to the moose-hunting rube that the Bush doctrine "is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense."

Wrong.

I know something about the subject because, as the Wikipedia entry on the Bush doctrine notes, I was the first to use the term. In the cover essay of the June 4, 2001, issue of the Weekly Standard entitled, "The Bush Doctrine: ABM, Kyoto, and the New American Unilateralism," I suggested that the Bush administration policies of unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM treaty and rejecting the Kyoto protocol, together with others, amounted to a radical change in foreign policy that should be called the Bush doctrine.

Then came 9/11, and that notion was immediately superseded by the advent of the war on terror. In his address to the joint session of Congress nine days after 9/11, President Bush declared: "Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime." This "with us or against us" policy regarding terror -- first deployed against Pakistan when Secretary of State Colin Powell gave President Musharraf that seven-point ultimatum to end support for the Taliban and support our attack on Afghanistan -- became the essence of the Bush doctrine.

Until Iraq. A year later, when the Iraq war was looming, Bush offered his major justification by enunciating a doctrine of preemptive war. This is the one Charlie Gibson thinks is the Bush doctrine.
It's not. It's the third in a series and was superseded by the fourth and current definition of the Bush doctrine, the most sweeping formulation of the Bush approach to foreign policy and the one that most clearly and distinctively defines the Bush years: the idea that the fundamental mission of American foreign policy is to spread democracy throughout the world. It was most dramatically enunciated in Bush's second inaugural address: "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world."

This declaration of a sweeping, universal American freedom agenda was consciously meant to echo John Kennedy's pledge in his inaugural address that the United States "shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." It draws also from the Truman doctrine of March 1947 and from Wilson's 14 points.

If I were in any public foreign policy debate today, and my adversary were to raise the Bush doctrine, both I and the audience would assume -- unless my interlocutor annotated the reference otherwise -- that he was speaking about the grandly proclaimed (and widely attacked) freedom agenda of the Bush administration.


Not the Gibson doctrine of preemption.

Not the "with us or against us" no-neutrality-is-permitted policy of the immediate post-9/11 days.

Not the unilateralism that characterized the pre-9/11 first year of the Bush administration.

Presidential doctrines are inherently malleable and difficult to define. The only fixed "doctrines" in American history are the Monroe and the Truman doctrines which come out of single presidential statements during administrations where there were few other contradictory or conflicting foreign policy crosscurrents.

Such is not the case with the Bush doctrine.

Yes, Sarah Palin didn't know what it is. But neither does Charlie Gibson. And at least she didn't pretend to know -- while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, sighing and "sounding like an impatient teacher," as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes' reaction to the mother of five who presumes to play on their stage.

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and look at the informed Obama supporters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

Include these well informed people, add the dead people, the illegals and all the other fraudulent voters from acorn and it's allies; he may just have a landslide.  

You should look at this video if nothing else...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mteMQh5zD0c

In Ohio, ACORN registered 9 million voters. 4 fraudulent voters were discovered. Call out the militia.

ACORN is required to turn in every registration they receive. When they have doubts about one, for example if Mickey Mouse registers, they are STILL required BY FEDERAL ELECTION LAW to turn it in, thought they flag questionable ones.

ACORN, just like the Republican registration machine in Nevada in 2004, hires workers who are in fact human beings. Thousands of them - over 13,000 at last count. Not surprisingly, some of them are lazy sods who find it easier to fabricate registrations at the kitchen table than to go out and actually work. ACORN has caught such people in the past and worked to PROSECUTE THEM to the fullest extent of the law.

And now and then their workers encounter a Republican who finds it clever to register fraudulently and then 'catch' them.

Red herring - personally, I'd be insulted that the Republicans expect you to swallow this load - makes anyone repeating this stuff look pretty stupid.

...certainly by a wide margin.  Obama's run an excellent campaign against an pretty torpid opponent.  Though I already had him pegged for an idiot, JM and his staff still manages to surprise me with an innovative new fuck-up every day.

to get the Democrats into office.

When you get Breaker, MRB, Doc and me to all agree on a subject, you must be on to something.

We have always had some noncontributing, run off at the mouth, blowhards around here. It just seems like it has been getting worse of late.

Some of us are actually mourning the absence of Jacko,zinaval, bushwacker, XL1, MrSelfDestruct, BizarroSuperdude,scriptfixer, and some others who have recently fallen quiet.