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Q about Special Master and M-a-L docs
impposter 49 Reviews 532 reads
posted
1 / 24

Raymond Dearie has been approved by Judge Cannon to serve as Special Master. Does anyone know how this is supposed to work?  
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1. Send the docs to me by Priority Mail at my NYC apartment address. If it doesn't fit in my mailbox, I'll just pick them up from the table in the lobby when I get home. - No. Not gonna happen.
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2.  What's wrong with Dearie saying:
a. Assign the ~100 docs to their controlling agency [let's say 41 to DoD, 33 to NSA, 18 to DHS, ...].
b. I will meet with those agency officials in their respective SCIFs. DoD on Monday; NSA on Tuesday; ....
c. We will go through the stack of docs item by item and they will explain to me (i) whether or not the doc is still classified (ii) what the doc is about (iii) regardless of classification status, whether or not it is crucial to maintain the secrecy of the information in the doc to protect the national security.
d. I figure 10 minutes per doc on average, 10 minute donut break at 10 am, 30 minutes for lunch at noon, another 10 minute break at 3 pm, work until 6 pm. If necessary to work beyond 6 pm, order some take-out and work through dinner until 9 pm. Special instructions: do NOT get soy sauce stains on gov docs!!
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e. I figure 100 docs x 10 mins each = 1000 minutes =  less than 18 hours; 6 hours per day at each agency. We can get this done in less than a week.  And then the DoJ and related agencies can resume the investigation of the history and handling of these docs, what has been compromised and how to deal with it.  
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f. I can examine the other 11,000+ docs at a more leisurely pace under non-super secret conditions.  
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(I was hoping that someone would find the time to nominate TER's Hextyn as Special Master but they were probably tied up.)

inicky46 61 Reviews 45 reads
posted
2 / 24

He was even on the FISA Court so he has clearances and relevant experience. That said, the judge who's done this is an idiot and fails to understand why forbidding Justice from analyzing the stolen documents compromises our security. Every moment that passes without being sure sources and methods have not been compromised is a dangerous one for the country.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 44 reads
posted
4 / 24

because your premise then is that the government has the sole authority to say what is classified and what it not.   I have been involved in a few cases that had a special master to sort through the evidence.  What usually happens is that each side briefs their position on what is or is not classified, and the special master takes it all under consideration and then recommends a ruling to the judge.  Most of the time, the judge will turn the special masters findings in an order of the court.  The main point of this case is the dispute over whether the docs are classified or not, so YOUR solution is to the just the government?  Then what is the point of the special master?  

impposter 49 Reviews 51 reads
posted
5 / 24

It would be the sensible and cautious approach to let Dearie examine the recovered docs in a SCIF and THEN decide if he agreed with the Gov Agency or needed to consult Trump about his opinion on specific docs before making a decision.
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However, I think it should take just a few days, at most, for a preliminary examination of ~100 docs. I think Dearie can make quick decisions about several or many or even ALL of them. Let's call it triage, as is often used in Emergency Medicine. Triage, because that's what it is. If even ONE doc is of such importance that it needs URGENT emergency action by gov agencies to protect sources or tech, Dearie can clear that NOW.  If Dearie has Qs about some docs and wants Trump's input, he can ask him and THEN make a decision.  Add another 2-3 days for Trump's feedback. Well, more like 2-3 HOURS, because we know Trump's analysis. "They're mine, MINE! They're all MINE! Mwa-hah-ha-ha-ha!"
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What's your suggestion? Read the documents out loud on a Joe Rogan podcast and have his listeners call in with their opinions? Trump would CLEARLY object to that unless he got cut in for a piece of the massive Ad Revenue -- "They're mine, MINE! They're all MINE! Mwa-hah-ha-ha-ha!" -- and maybe that was Trump's plan all along!

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: That's not going to happen, . . . .
because your premise then is that the government has the sole authority to say what is classified and what it not.   I have been involved in a few cases that had a special master to sort through the evidence.  What usually happens is that each side briefs their position on what is or is not classified, and the special master takes it all under consideration and then recommends a ruling to the judge.  Most of the time, the judge will turn the special masters findings in an order of the court.  The main point of this case is the dispute over whether the docs are classified or not, so YOUR solution is to the just the government?  Then what is the point of the special master?  

cks175 44 Reviews 38 reads
posted
6 / 24
impposter 49 Reviews 60 reads
posted
7 / 24

http://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/16/us/politics/judge-raymond-dearie-special-master.html
"Judge Raymond Dearie Takes On Fraught Role in Trump Documents Case."
"... Judge Dearie’s role as special master in the case grants him considerable authority over whether, or how quickly, the Justice Department will be able to use classified materials seized from Mr. Trump in its investigation into his handling of the documents and whether the government’s attempts to reclaim them were obstructed. In his first official move, ****Judge Dearie has set an initial meeting about the document review on Tuesday at the Brooklyn federal courthouse and asked Mr. Trump’s lawyers and the Justice Department to send him “proposed agenda items” by Monday.****
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"... Judge Dearie is also authorized to decide which of the records belong to the government and which are Mr. Trump’s personal property — as well to offer his assessment of the documents that the government claims are classified. ..."
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Here is what I am HOPING will happen:  
Dearie: DoJ, you are claiming that these are classified gov docs. Please present your evidence that these are, in fact, classified gov docs and gov property.  
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DoJ: Yes, your honor. We will comply with your request by tomorrow afternoon.
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Dearie: Team Trump, please clarify whether or not you are prepared to swear under oath that Trump declassified these documents. If so, please also provide legal PROOF to back up that claim. You have until tomorrow afternoon to present your evidence to me in this court. [BANG!]
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Team Trump Counsel 1: Homina, homina, homina ... !!  
Team Trump Counsel 2: Your Honor, I have a prior commitment with my own criminal attorney and I respectfully request a delay until 2029 or to be excused from the defense.  
Team Trump Counsel 3 - 8: Run away! Run away!

Posted By: impposter

Raymond Dearie has been approved by Judge Cannon to serve as Special Master. Does anyone know how this is supposed to work?

impposter 49 Reviews 46 reads
posted
8 / 24

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-legal-team-balks-at-judges-declassification-questions/2022/09/20/6cce684c-38de-11ed-b8af-0a04e5dc3db6_story.html
"Trump legal team balks at judge's declassification questions."
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"Donald Trump’s legal team has told a newly appointed independent arbiter [i.e., Judge Dearie] that it does not want to answer his questions about the declassification status of the documents seized last month from the former president’s Florida home, saying that issue could be part of Trump’s defense if he’s indicted." [IF he's indicted?]  
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"Trump’s lawyers signaled in a Monday evening letter their objection to several aspects of that draft plan, including *****a request from Dearie that they disclose to him and to the Justice Department information about the classification status of the seized documents.*****" [Uh oh!]
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"The resistance to the judge’s request was notable because it was the Trump team, not the Justice Department, that had requested the appointment of a special master to conduct an independent review of the documents so that any material covered by claims of legal privilege could be segregated from the investigation — and because *****the Trump team’s recalcitrance included an ***acknowledgment*** that the probe could be building toward an indictment.*****" [Double uh oh!]
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" “Otherwise, the Special Master process will have forced the Plaintiff to fully and specifically disclose a defense to the merits of any subsequent indictment.” the lawyers wrote."  
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[I think this means they're saying, "We can't tell you our position on the classification status because, if we did, you could use what we tell you about that to charge Trump with a crime. We want to save that information to use in a trial as part of our defense strategy AFTER he is charged ... but you can't charge him until we tell the court what our position is on the classification status. ... So screw you! And, I think we need to file a request with Aileen Cannon's court for a different Special Master, one who is a Trump approved Trump worshiper. That's the only way our client can get a fair trial."]  
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An opinion piece, just published two hours later:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/20/trump-lawyers-special-master-fox-news-judge-cannon/
"Opinion  Trump’s lawyers just gave away the game, exposing his Achilles’ heel."
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"... In a new filing, Trump’s lawyers effectively admit they don’t want to address whether he declassified documents, while seeming to acknowledge he could face indictment. ..."
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"In their filing, Trump’s lawyers responded to a plan Dearie suggested for this process. While that plan is not public, the Trump team’s objections provide a glimpse of it. As The Post reports:
'Specifically, the legal team objected to what it said was Dearie’s request that it “disclose specific information regarding declassification to the Court and to the Government." ..."
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"Here’s what this means: *****Dearie essentially asked Trump’s lawyers to put up or shut up. And they chose Door No. 2.*****"
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"Dearie appears to have asked Trump’s lawyers whether their legal defense of Trump actually is that he declassified the documents. As it is, violations of the three statutes cited in the search warrant don’t even have to involve classified documents. But Dearie seems to be trying to nail down precisely what Trump’s legal team is claiming here. ..."
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" “What’s really going on is that the lawyers don’t want to lose their bar ticket by saying something with very little factual support,” Weissmann told me. “Also, if they were to make this claim, and it’s not true, they subject their client to a false statement charge.”
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"In other words, Trump’s lawyers don’t want to get behind Trump’s own defense of himself. *****What’s darkly amusing here is that Trump’s own claims that he declassified the documents are what led the special master to demand that Trump’s lawyers put up or shut up.*****"
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"There’s still more. The New York Times reports that former White House lawyer Eric Herschmann personally warned Trump late last year — nearly a year ago — that hoarding the documents put him in legal jeopardy. ..."
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"Trumpworld began making this [Trump declassified them] claim after Trump had been informed he was on thin legal ice, suggesting they knew the defense was bogus. ..."
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"Goodman noted that prosecutors might use Trump’s public assertions that he declassified documents against him, as they appear both false and deliberately designed to disguise a corrupt act. This could show “corrupt intent” and “proof of willfulness,” Goodman said. ..."  
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I'm looking forward to more details coming out later today [Tues, 20-Sep-2022] after the afternoon court session with Dearie.

inicky46 61 Reviews 44 reads
posted
9 / 24

Reminds me of the old phrase: Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
Here's the rub: NO ONE in Trump's former White House staff has come forward with ANY testimony supporting his claim to have declassified any documents. He claims he did but has offered no proof.
His Special Master ploy is blowing up in his face. Wonder what he'll say now?
On another front, his accountants, Mazar, have begun turning over his tax return info. Finally.
Tick, tock.

willywonka4u 22 Reviews 47 reads
posted
10 / 24

Oh, just curious. I haven’t seen much from Michael Avenatti lately. Anyone know what happened to him?

inicky46 61 Reviews 46 reads
posted
11 / 24

Avenatti's in jail. So what?
You'll do anything to divert when things start to go wrong.
Tick, tock.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 41 reads
posted
12 / 24

like Biden.  It was apparent when he spoke at the end to the press that he didn't write the report nor did he know everything that was in it.  It's not dissimilar from Biden speaking in public.  He's just reading someone else's words, and there is no guarantee he even knows what he is saying. Trump spoke to the press nearly every day.  Biden goes months.  We all know what they are TRYING to hide.

LostSon 43 Reviews 40 reads
posted
14 / 24

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: Mueller's mind was slipping, just . . . .
like Biden.  It was apparent when he spoke at the end to the press that he didn't write the report nor did he know everything that was in it.  It's not dissimilar from Biden speaking in public.  He's just reading someone else's words, and there is no guarantee he even knows what he is saying. Trump spoke to the press nearly every day.  Biden goes months.  We all know what they are TRYING to hide.
You ain’t a kidding he was slipping! I was actually embarrassed for the man! To see him before Congress was shocking and then the left turned on him
Because he couldn’t find the smoking Russia collusion gun.  

Lefty’s only out for themselves and their interests 🙄

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 43 reads
posted
15 / 24

deflection?  I accept your surrender on my point and my comparison.  

inicky46 61 Reviews 44 reads
posted
16 / 24

So I'll spell it out for you....S....L....O....W....L....Y.
Mueller was in overall charge and steered the hundreds of people who assembled the facts and compiled the report. Expecting someone in that position to write the whole report and know every single fact in it is utterly ridiculous. The redacted version is 448 pages long. So the entire report is considerably longer. If you expected Mueller to have written the entire thing and recalled everything in it you're an even bigger fool than I thought.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 44 reads
posted
17 / 24

write reports for me, but they give me the draft, I make changes, and question anything that doesn't make sense to me (If there are facts I don't know, then I will get up to speed on the subject before authoring the final version for public dissemination).  If I'm going to present it at an event or conference, then I damn well will make sure I know everything that is in it before I speak about it.  You would think for the millions he was paid, he would have taken this a little more seriously, but Dems have always seemed to focus on getting the money rather than the accuracy of their work.  

inicky46 61 Reviews 39 reads
posted
18 / 24

CDL just compared the writing of a business report to a nearly 500-page (after redactions) legal document.
Brazen but dumb is no way to go through life, son.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 39 reads
posted
19 / 24

I was pointing out that the average businessperson in a position of responsibility like me was routinely MORE careful about accuracy than Mueller was when he was representing the Department of Justice as a Special Prosecutor.  Why is it brazen to point that out?  Do you think Democrats should get a pass when acting in an irresponsible and slipshod manner?  

inicky46 61 Reviews 49 reads
posted
20 / 24

Too dumb to understand anything I've posted here. Too brazen to think twice about exposing your stupidity.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 43 reads
posted
21 / 24

which is your usual M.O.  How about explaining specifically what you disagree with and your argument as to why I'm wrong.  That's what a debate is.  Name-calling with no substantive points is useless.  It may make you feel good, but you're not looking very articulate or smart.  

inicky46 61 Reviews 44 reads
posted
22 / 24

Like the last one. It is ridiculous on its face. So please stop whining about "generalities."
As for the rest of your post, it seems you are begging the mods to bail you out.

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 45 reads
posted
23 / 24

...about "reports" and "presenting them at events or conferences."  Have him tell you again about his "acquaintance" Kelly Emby (sic):
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/politics-and-religion-39/a-tragic-loss-but-the-height-of-irony-----417750?frmSearch=1#417750
This is the truth about Kelly Ernby:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/politics-and-religion-39/hey-cdl---you-love-your-gop-fundraisers-too-431023?frmSearch=1#431023

 
Everything CDL posts is either a LIE or a product of his vivid imagination.

impposter 49 Reviews 49 reads
posted
24 / 24

I hope they followed best practices for you.

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: I sometimes have people . . . . write reports for me ...
Do you give them gold foil stars or seasonal "Good job!" rubber stamps?

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