Trump being presidential. Sitting down with survivors of the Stoneman High School massacre. Probably the bravest thing he's done since being elected.

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!

That was actually pathetic and shameful.  He sat there and tried his best to look like he cared about these people.  He did not directly engage any of them.  And then he spoke at length about the incredibly stupid idea of arming teachers.  The folks that went there and poured their hearts out left feeling lost and betrayed.  Their plea was clearly that we need more control over the proliferation of gun possession.  We need to reduce the numbers of guns out there and make sure that gun ownership is responsible and reasonable.

If you were a teacher or a kid at that school, and you heard gun fire in the hall, at that moment, would you want someone armed to give you a chance at staying alive or would you want to resort to "prayers and thoughts" only?

I am pretty hard on "partisan Matt" but this thread shows just why there is very little actual discussion on this board. The moment someone offers any kind of olive branch to the "other side" members of their own side rip the tree out of the ground and beat him with it.

I am one of Matts biggest opponents here but I will concede as well he offered up that olive branch you mention and kudos for him for trying. If I am going to bust his balls for being "partisan Matt", then credit is due when "moderate Matt" returns.

He listen, OK that was good. It was the political thing to do. But It might as well been behind closed doors. trump needed something to show that he cared. He was vague but then again he didn't face the backlash that Rubio faced in that town hall. Lil Cameron took Rubio to the woodshed on the "Will you continue to accept NRA money". I don't know what was worse, that water bottle moment or trying to answer that question.That was tough even for me to watch.
But back to the trumpster...If he was really concern, and mental health seemed to be part of the issue, why doesn't he reinstate the executive order that Obama signed regarding mental health? The measure the trump rescinded, trump should plead a "My Bad". I mean trump loves the executive order, he should look at what can be done through the executive order process. By pass Congress because nothing will pass though those channels.
And the ideal of teachers packing heat, I was very luke warm on that but after watching that town all meeting, forget it. The teachers don't want it, It's not " To Protect and Serve".

To somehow bring up Obama, who did in fact meet with the gun lobby several times to discuss solutions and was immediately shot down is just silly.  I wasn’t vilifying Matt and I admire his efforts to hold up an olive branch, it just wasn’t the right branch to hold up.

What kind of idiot are you?
Presidents do NOT make laws.  
You've got a bitch take it to your congressman and senator.  
If you don't understand how our different branches work then don't vote.  
Oh, and BOTH parties have held majorities in congress and neither did anything about it

You came to that conclusion based on what was said by VERY few teachers in a wildly left wing crowd last night?  

I did a Google search for "Obama meets with gun Lobby" and never got a single hit of him meeting with them even privately, much less publicly like Trump did yesterday. But your little "bending of the truth aside" even your example of the little twelve year old girl just proves what many of us have been saying all along. It's ALREADY illegal for that little girl to be in possession of a weapon, another 1,000 laws would have done nothing if the laws we already have aren't enforced.

One of the benefactors of the NRA.. .He states it a bad ideal, and yes if at that time, if bullets were flying and my door was barricaded I would like to have a gun, but in a normal school year, what if there's a disturbance in the class, two kids fighting,which I guarantee you that happens more often, would I want that gun in the class room, NO.  There's probably more harm  in having the gun in the classroom long run. So on this, I wouldn't want the teachers to decide, too many things can go wrong..I can Imagine Mrs. Moore, 63 yo English teacher with a gun....yeah that will work.
And the way trump painted a situation when a gunman is on campus, one shot and it's over....Ever seen a police crime scene where there was a shootout? There hundred of casing of shots that were fired., sometime the pros don't hit their target the first time, can you imagine teachers??? These teacher won't want to get into a firefight with a gunman in the hallways or on the grounds, Annie Oakley they're not.
The crowd being "Wildy Left", maybe or maybe in the middle, but either way they were pissed.

What did you think about this...I asked about trump reinstating this but you shied away...what's your take??

and he gave exactly the wrong answer when being "bullied" by a teenager.

Many teachers on record saying they would love the opportunity to protect the kids but of course lib media cant seem to find the ones Fox finds. Hmmmmm....

rejected the invitation as far as I know. Wayne Lapierre explained after the Gifford shooting  “why should I sit down with someone who has dedicated his life to destroying the Second Amendment?”

I think banning bump stocks, raising the age to buy an AR-15, introducing stricter background checks and removing the gun show loophole is kind of acceptable. Unfortunately, we all know that new legislation will not stop the next mass shootings and only the good guys will follow the new rules.

When did the gun lobby become " Trump'"'s
It been around a lonnnngggg time before he came to office.  
And unlike lifetime politicians he hasn't sold his soul for their dollars.

Agree with everything you said.

There should not beg gun fire in schools in the first place and that is the root cause of the problem. Not who has guns and who doesn't.

"To be clear, the rule had opponents. It wasn’t just the NRA that wanted the rule rolled back. Disability rights groups also objected to the bill. The American Civil Liberties Union joined the protest and in a letter to members of Congress, urged for its repeal.  

What would you do once the killer has the weapon and is inside the school? You have proposed absolutely nothing to stop or mitigate the tragedy, under my scenario.  

Did I even suggest that Presidents make laws?  But they are supposed to lead and can propose laws.   I think the idiot here is obvious.

How about this one...

handcuffs "normal folks" from discriminating from "mentals" who are grouped with folks with disabilities. Felons are grouped together with this group as well.

much less happened "several" times as Jinxie claimed.

..choreographed and repeatedly rehearsed body language and script.

"And why the sexism and ageism", wow since when did you ever care about anyone but yourself...you getting soft on us?
Mrs Moore may have failing eyesight, to frail to fight off an attacker while in class, a student not a killer. There's a number of reason Dumpy, Now you tell me, visualize a situation while in her classroom, in a student brawl, her gun confiscated and used...what da ya think...and don't twist this as you normally do.
Pay close close attention to trump's editorial from last night...play it in slow mo if you have too, Hear what is said, not wht you interpret.
And tag a link where teacher are stating that they would love the opportunity, I'm sure there's a few but 20 percent as trump claims..I don't think so.
Yes your way the kids will be sitting duck the whole school year,with a gun sometimes within arms reach.

somewhere, and words are typically the starting point. Though I applaud Trump for setting down with those family members and survivors, I can't say I'm all that optimistic regarding much changing in the Senate and House, in spite of what Trump may say he want's done. As he's done with many issues, today, with his words, he just seemed to muddy the waters.

And putting "Obama meets with NRA members" in your subject line and then linking an article that says the exact opposite is just as dishonest.

Focus hyper, FOCUS! Lol

Oh man are you acting stupid.  If you actually bothered to read the transcript, you would have learned that while the NRA was not officially present,  many in the audience were in fact members of the NRA. Besides, genius, I never said Obama met with the NRA in the first place.

instead of actually watching it live to hear it for yourself.

How many of those kids would have died if the guy had an AR-15? The fact is, some of us would be fine with that solution. Others of us would not; that is not willing to give up our guns. To pretend, like the NRA, that any measure to restrict gun ownership or the types of weapons one can own, will not help reduce casualties is totally dishonest. Even in military exercises, they are always calculating how to limit casualties. The NRA doesn't appear to be willing to have those discussions, or when they do, they are dishonest. Norway and Switzerland have a high degree of gun ownership, high gun regulations, and low casualties due to gun violence. To break it down in simple terms, we have 3 factors to work with: 1. Guns, 2. Lives, 3. Freedom, or unlimited or minimal restrictions. Guns + freedom = highest number of deaths due to gun violence. Take away 1 or 3, you save lives. So far, as a country, we are unwilling to give up neither to save lives. So, instead of all this discussion about what will or will not work, let's just be honest about.

Does not have a best friend who is a teacher. Then ltm could tell us all the facts and everything there is to know  about teachers having guns in schools.

I'm all ears...and be straight forward, what's your plan?

"NO, the NRA is made up of millions of law abiding gun owners trying to protect THEIR constitutional rights, and I refuse to be bullied into forsaking them" .Yes, Rubio "could've" said that, BUT HE DIDN'T......I know you had time to rehearse that line. And like a typical righty, say one thing and it's the gospel...thought you'd of all would be smarter then that...but.
And you mention the usual NRA rhetoric, "Good Guy with a Gun"...Well there was a good guy with a gun there, and how did that work out??
We are on the polar opposites on this, we'll never see eye to eye on this...

...If you carry a firearm & you are not an autorized law enforcment officer you are a fearful COWARD.

Doesn’t seem to be much support for your stupid idea of arming teachers.  These teachers explain why.