]Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded[/B]
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The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.



The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Obama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him."

News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.

Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.


“I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesday’s Times-Tribune.
http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_.html?showAll=Y



Amazing how a story that is false gets spread .Obama needs to publicly apologize to McCain and say the story is now unfounded since Obama used this last night  in the   debate.

-- Modified on 10/16/2008 8:34:48 AM

It is interesting to trace the story to how it originated.

It is even more interesting to see how it has evolved in the media.  Even if it is true, which I doubt, you have one person at one rally shouting something that no one else seemed to have adopted.

From one individual it has evolved into a story about how hate filled GOP rallies are becoming.

Why one person in a crowd becomes the tenor of the campaign is facinating.

try listening to the audio (around 0.12-0.14)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFWahLTdUo

Maybe McCain didn't hear it, but the person definitely said it.  So if the Secret Service needs more proof, they should go back to the audio.

It still remains one person shouting something in a crowd.

How does one person shouting one thing in a crowd become typical of the movement?  

I remember during the Lebanon/Israel war there were anti-Israel demonstartions in S.F. and other cities with the most hateful signs I have seen in 40 years.  Please forgive me for repeating this, but one said, "Nazi Kikes get out of Lebanon."

The signs remainded in the crowd for the entire demonstration and there was no attempt to remove them.

Was the entire peace movement tainted by these signs? Why is one person at a McCain rally given national headlines?

I did not say it was more than 1 person who shouted "kill him".

All I said is I hear it on the audio, thereby refuting the OP's artcle.

Now if you want to debate the other issue about the McCain campaign fostering a breeding ground for epithets & slurs, please feel free ... there are plenty of clips of those incidents on YouTube  ...

For years, the Dems have been spouting hate.  This is just from memory, running of things that pop into mind.

I forget who the actor was on Letterman who suggested firebombing the home of a GOP figure. Was it Julia Roberts who said the Republican is between "reptile" and "repulsive" in the dictionary.

Two days ago, J. Jackson had a terribly offensive and hate-filed interview about how the Zionists have been controlling U.S. policies for decades.  (This is a classic anti-semitism - that a tiny percent of the population controls the entire foreign policy of a nation and that the entire nation is duped against its better judgment.  Long, long history of this.)

Dozens of instances of GOP speakers booed off campus.

David Horowitz's interview in the UCLA Bruin caused the left to collect all the copies they could find in the newspaper stands and throw them out so no one could read them.

Google "Bush Hitler" or "Bush Fascist."  hunderds of millions of hits.

During the last election I went to a meeting where they had lawn signs. I asked for one for Schwarteneger and the guy asked me how many I wanted. When I said one, he said, it would not last two days.  (It only lasted one. The second one also was taken down the first night.)  I had a lawn sign up now and had to paint my fence last week.

Nazi Kikes out of Lebanon.

I am getting tired of just spouting out examples from the top of my head.

There may have been one - or a few - people at a couple of rallies.  

But unless you are willing to tag the Dems with all the hate from their history, this isn't a story.

And to make it a national story is just inflating it beyond all belief.

Last I checked, none of those you mentioned are running for POTUS...


You're "getting tired of just spouting out examples from the top of my head"  >>> well, don't overtax yourself on my behalf.  

I suggest you go to a Bush event and yell "Kill Bush" and see where that gets you.

You said you checked and none of the people I listed are running for POTUS.

I check also and none of the people that shouted out at the rallies are running for president either, so I guess if none of your hate mongers or my hate mongers are running, then they are in the same boat, and are comparable.

My point is that the Dems and associates can hardly claim the high road in dialogue - particularly when you have MoveOn as a mainstay of the party.

Since you don't understand the argument, let me spell it out for you:  This thread began with the topic of threatening violence to a presidential candidate.  There is a difference between calling for death to a presidential candidate & those expressing bigotry at rallies.

You have meandered off on to a totally different subject of hateful political discourse & tried to make an equivalency argument. The two are not equivalent.

The man's shout at 13 second COULD be "kill'em", but it's not conclusive.

If several Secret Service agents didn't hear it, that supports claims that McCain didn't hear it. Microphones can pick up sounds that otherwise aren't heard by people even very close to the mic.

Either way, the question of how the MSM amplified this report remains.

Well, actually there's no mystery about the MSM in my book.

-- Modified on 10/16/2008 4:49:48 PM

Echochamber--your clock was cleaned so we'll just have to call you Echohead from now on- hahaha

Love Trig", God Bless America and we even say God Bless the Cops. I have never heard anyone say anything degatory or hateful towards the DEmocratic ticket. I have heard these epithets and seen banners with; "McCain is a war criminal", McCain is baby killer, and towards Palin; Christian Fascist" and other ugly names I will not repeat.

Obama's accusation yesterday was a complete lie and he obviously has the political machinery to make these lies stick. Heil Obama, and welcome to the National Obama Socialist Party (NOSP.

I have seen videos of GOP rally attendees who have often lowered themselves to the point of calling protesters commie faggots, and repeatedly telling them to get jobs (since we protest, we obviously don't have JOBS), claiming that they wished Palin had charged rape victims DOUBLE the cost of their rape kits.  I am sure that there is vitriol on both sides of the fence, but I have been to several marches and protests and not ONCE have I seen the folks fighting with me for the causes we believe in use such hateful language towards the folks who were protesting our protests, even when they held signs with such charming messages as "GOD HATES YOU ALL."

So, no, it wasn't just one person in a crowd.  Open your eyes.

I wonder what year it will be when the we look back and the consensus agrees upon “The Year the ‘Free Press’ Died”.

Maybe Don McClean will still be alive to write the ballad.


-- Modified on 10/17/2008 7:50:40 AM

EC, you need to get your shit straight. The story in the Scranton Times-Tribune said that the threat was called out while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was speaking and, mentioned Obama's name. You say it was called out when John McCain was speakng as per your linked You Tube video. Which was it? Also, when Chris Rock was on Letterman a few years ago, the conversation got around to G.W. Bush, and the war in Iraq. Rock said, "Someone should get a gun and kill that motherfucker". The MF word was bleeped of course, but you could read his lips. To threaten the life of the President is a felony offense. Don't see Rock in jail do you? Guess he got away with that one.

The topic for discussion is threatening death to a presidential candidate.  I presented a YouTube video that proves that such a threat was made at a McCain rally.  You are correct that the article referenced Chris Hackett speaking.  

So we are talking about 2 different rallies. Does that take away from the premise of the debate?

I REPEAT >>>>
There is a difference between calling for death to a presidential candidate & those expressing bigotry at rallies.

You have meandered off on to a totally different subject of hateful political discourse & tried to make an equivalency argument. The two are not equivalent.






-- Modified on 10/17/2008 11:46:32 AM

read my reply above before you wet yourself, GOPWheezer






-- Modified on 10/17/2008 11:48:02 AM

Meandered off my ass. When someone says the president should be killed, no matter what the context or occasion may be, it is still an offense. What bigotry are you talking about at the 2 rallies? Now you've introduced something else into the 'debate'. Which is it, death threat, or bigotry? BTW, I've watched the You Tube video several times, and do not hear the words, "kill him". Something was shouted, but how do you discern those words?

Read the WHOLE thread before you chime in with your 2 cents

What was being debated originated here (and even earlier in the thread)
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=74551&boardID=39&page=1

Try to understand the debate before jumping in with both feet.

I'm sure you do, along with the rest of the mindless sheep.  "we love Trig"??? WTF is that all about?  

The problem with people like you is you are incapable of independent thought.  You're great at grabbing a line & chanting like a mindless robot. And when someone disagrees with your view, then the hatred comes spewing forth.

I'd challenge you to point some out. Otherwise be careful with the flat assertions.

Looks to me like the thread begins with "Secret Service Says" by timbow. That's the thread you posted replies to, and the very same I responded to. End of story. It's 1:50AM here, and I'm going to bed.

I said "people like you" in that sentence ... so I was making a generalization, not accusing specifically Breaker of hatred.  

It is my opinion.  



-- Modified on 10/19/2008 9:35:25 AM