I've heard from several people, most lately from Bizzaro.  To those who did write me, ty for the compliments.  You outnumber Ben at least.  

True that there are plenty of other politics boards, but posting here doesn't exclude posting to them, too.  Since my interest in changing society's treatment of the hobby, that's a political stance.  It fits too tightly into my other political beliefs to ignore this board.  

But mostly, that's just ad hoc rationalization.  Ben doesn't own this board.  People want me back and I'm interested in being here.

Though I didn't look at it once since the day after I left.

The Board is not the same W/O you.

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Nope,,, I don't "own" the board, I'm just the janitor... I mop up when the rest of you are done circle-jerking to scantily-clad pictures of Al Gore...

Now where were we?? Oh yeah, "An Incomplete Truth"... Yes I've recently come out of the closet about "Global-Warming" and can now say the catch-phrase with a straight face...[partly due to some of your previous arguments]

Up until now I was only able to admit to "Global-Climate-Change", but when I heard Bush use that phrase in his recent State-of-the-Union, I figured I didn't want to sound as silly as him, so, hence my update in verbage...

I still think the muskeg-bog on my property will produce far more methane this year [which is far more CFC-rich than CO2] than I'd produce in my lifetime if I drove a semi-tractor as my personal transportation... But I'll admit we play a part in the warming trend...

The earth is warming it'self at a faster rate than we are contributing to it... Much the way the body warms it'self during a fever to kill bacteria that's attacking it...



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and has now become a pandemic virus.

Kinda like if Mother-Earth got genital-warts or the clap... She'll just scratch her crotch as her fever kills the infection... Then all that will be left is some ugly pock-marks where we once were after she heals herself...

It seems to me that regardless if it is ancient Hebrew, or other forms in which it's been transliterated over the milliniums, the origional message has been to "rule or reign" over creation in a "stewardship" type role... Not merely "occupy by force" which "domain" implies.. IMHO...

I think we can blame the mis-thoughts of the King James era for the idea that the world was ours to "subdue" or dominate by force, but that twist sure served "Imperealism" well, didn't it?

(I realize this isn't "ancient" Hebrew, but I can't come up with a way to inport it to the board as a picture-file, I can only do it on character at a time, so this will have to do...)

VY'aMUr 'aLHYM N'yShH 'aDM BTShLMNV KDMVThNV VYUrDV BDGTh HYM VB'yVPh HShMYM VBBHMH VBKL-H'aUrTSh VBKL-HUrMSh HUrMSh 'yL-H'aUrTSh.

(Latin)
et ait faciamus hominem ad imaginem et similitudinem nostram et praesit piscibus maris et volatilibus caeli et bestiis universaeque terrae omnique reptili quod movetur in terra

We've simply done what any life-form would have done given the power.  We've spread our species across the planet and entered as many habitats as we could survive.  

However, whenever there's a success like that, something will ultimately limit it or cut it back.  Analogies of the Earth to the human body are very limited, IMO, because it will happen with anything.  Isolate some bacteria in a petri dish with some food, and it will double every 20 minutes.  It won't cover the Earth in layers because something always intervenes to stop it. The bacteria will run out of food, run into a successful competitor, or choke in its excrement.   Or perhaps the scientist will end the experiment and bleach the dish...

One thing is, with so many people on the earth, when selection re-asserts itself, there is a very good chance that new species will evolve from humankind.  Also, the ace in the hole is genetic research.  I doubt that humankind goes extinct, though the party may be over.      

And now we're all starting to run in a pack to dive off the cliff of CO2 fear, all while refusing to look to the SOURCE of the problems as we run scared...

We won't go extinct, although we may go subterranean for a few centuries.. And surely we will lose our "comforts", and eventually have to face the reality that we cannot drag every dead-beat, retard, lamed, and old person along with us when our petri-dish becomes to warm and hydrated for our own existance to become "sustainable" enough to afford that species-unique-luxury...

But we'll survive, our time is not yet up...

(I was quoting George Carlin from a very long tine ago when he said "humans are a disease and surface irritation on the planet, I figured he was a source you trusted, seeing how you've brough him up in past banter to justify your points...)

Is it the CO2 conscious cartel, or the servants to the status quo? Unyielding devotion to either faction is myopic.

Until most people actually experence "true freedom", they just march under the flags of which ever Marnarchy offers them the most "protection & comforts", never realizing that their chosen Monarch isn't wearing any protection and all that will come of their bowing prostrate is "cum-farts", lol!

and while I believe in hard work, playing by the rules etc to "get a-"head"" (no I am not a New Guinea head-hunter... more the excutive type as it pays much better, lol  I crack me up!)... that, to many means I am a neocon Nazi-ish right wing nut.  Far from that! sorry to say... many of my views on personal freedom are far away from conservative... abortion rights? support them.  Energy conservation - support it in theory AND practice (smaller car, recycle etc.), alternative energy sources - not a trivial lip service but a realistic look at how to achieve it, right to die with dignity... support that - and as I watched in horror the Terry Schivo case, all I could do was to wonder why the government was involved at all!  Health care reform - or more accurately INSURANCE REFORM (and this is 20 years overdue!)... and so on.  

So Z, thanks for coming back, as rational discussions are needed to help form and, where needed and possible, change opinions... simply put, folks who don't resort to name calling to make their point, I will always listen to, not saying I will change my opinion, just that I will listen to what they have to say over someone who calls me a racist, just because I do not hold their exact political views...

so - Z, Welcome back!!

in our case, we realize that extinction is a possibility.  How will that "alter the equation?"  I toss that out there, because many feel that we have to guarantee the survival of everyone... from unborn fetuses to the dying to, well, everyone.  At what point do we recognize that as a species, for the species to survive, not everyone will make it out of the room?!  

As far as "ace in the hole" - - don't think so... we cannot even get Gene Therapy right.  (the only regulatory body approved gene therapy exists in China...  NOT the US).

What I find fascinating is the "belief" that increased CO2 levels are solely due to buring fossil fuels... but hey - where does CO2 go normally?  Into plants... burning rain forest, plowing up natural lands and planting such that that patch of surface absorbs CO2 only for 1/2 or 1/3 of a year... and so on... that too contributes... but I am not totally sold on the CO2 argument as the only or even major factor in Global Climate Change... and yes, Ben... I am comfortable using that phrase cause the jury is still out....

Not only that, lemmings "mass suicides" were misinterpreted.  They migrate.  The mass migration is highly selective in terms of survival, but they migrate from a habitats which are exhausted of resources by that time and where they would have starved anyway.  It's more of an act of desperation than an act of suicide.  Similar to human sperm, actually where all swim toward the egg cell but only one in a billion will make it.  Or salmon swimming upstream desperately to spawn.  

Species-distinct luxury?  Perhaps only because humankind has developed the only social organization to do it.  Nevertheless, human rebellion against natural selection is maybe its best trait.  Not to say that it will succeed ultimately.  If it can be sustained, it may turn into an effort to salvage genes from an otherwise defective phenotype.  

Humankind definitely might introduce something new to animal evolution, and something that hasn't been possible in it for maybe 300 million years: the ability to exchange genes directly.  Bacteria can do that.  Animals can't.

I never got to answer your post on that matter.  Even the most screwed up person can get it right by accident.  When they do, and they are able to say it  well, they are as quotable as Aristotle.  

I don't consider George Carlin to be a philosopher, though, nor would I consider ever following him as a disciple.

But how about an opinion as to "dominion" over the "earth" rather than in the Omarion Nebula... All though I envy those founder-bastards,,, I'd have given myself alot bigger cock if I had their abilities...   ;>

"Mass-suicide" is not what I was implying... But with Global-hysteria about warming, we are acting foolishly-desperate due to the exhaust from our resources...

As far as;"human rebellion against natural selection is maybe its best trait."... Well, that is also emotionally selfish if we bring down the entire species because we waste the momentum of our existance trying to drag the stragglers along for the ride... I guess it comes down to "love" as the decernment-tool for if or if not a non-producer will live or starve... If a producer "loves" someone who is unable to produce, they will make a way to care for their needs, but when they are forced to care for those who WON'T produce, then the heart grows cold, and the love for them lost...  Charity should be a choice, "fairness" is the fundimental human flaw.