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GaGambler 238 reads
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1 / 40
I think the cries of racism are bullshit

but I have had my own personal boycott of United Airlines ever since they both took over and then ruined Continental Airlines. UNITED SUCKS BALLS and their actions quite frankly don't surprise me a bit.

I have to say, UNITED blew it, and if I had been in that doctor's position , in my seat ready to go, only to learn that I was being bumped due to the airlines fuckup and that my seat was going to go to an airline employee instead, then I too might have had to be dragged off the plane. I hope the guy gets a million bucks out of them.

but the racism part is bullshit, the guy didn't get dragged off the plane because he was Asian, he got dragged off because he stood up for himself. If he were black, white, brown or green, he would have gotten treated the same way. I hope UNITED has to pay through the nose.
Related Link: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/was-that-doctor-dragged-off-the-united-airlines-fli...

GaGambler 248 reads
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2 / 40
Most of the lefties here would claim a black guy would have gotten his ass beat first.

and that too would have been bullshit.

Not everything has to do with race.  

I still remember the first time I got my ass beat by the police, it was in Germany, not here, and I have no idea if race had even the slightest thing to do with it as all my Army buddies told me it was standard procedure there and that getting your ass beat was just part of getting arrested over there.

hwy2heaven 169 Reviews 216 reads
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3 / 40
I hope Emirates can fly domestic routes in US

Emirates is #1 airline in the world for class, service and customer satisfaction.   I wish they can run domestic routes in the US.    

JackDunphy 678 reads
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4 / 40
He was drug off the plane due to his own disregard to a lawful order.

United fucked up by letting him board the aircraft and by not offering him the max, which is $1350 I believe. Once seated, I think only a true emergency should remove the man.

They could have and should have transported the employees by other means. So I think we need new laws governing these type of situations.

On the other side of the coin, once LE tells you to get out, you get out. Your recourse then is through the company's HQ's and if that didn't satisfy him, through the courts.

Lots of guilty parties here. No one looks good.

hwy2heaven 169 Reviews 425 reads
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5 / 40
Re: He was drug off the plane due to his own disregard to a lawful order.

Are you surprised they did not go and get passengers off of First Class?

St. Croix 351 reads
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6 / 40
OK, I will be the only one supporting United Airlines

I really wish the unwashed masses had a different boarding and deplaning door. I hate when this happens and drag an economy class passenger while I'm seated in first class drinking my cocktail.  

I worked for an airline immediately after college for a few years. Overbooking has been a part of the business/selling landscape for decades. Airlines are dealing with a perishable product/service. People book, and a percentage will no-show for whatever stupid reason. 99% of the time the deny boarding process is handled by the gate, not on the plane.  In this case UAL had to "deadhead" crew members to Louisville. Probably a last minute issue. They prioritize passengers based on revenue and/or status.

I don't give a shit if this guy was seated or not. If you are asked to leave, LEAVE NOW. Unfortunately it's mass transportation today, and you are getting the worst of humanity, which is just about everybody these days. This shit didn't happen 30 years ago, and there was overbooking back then.

Look, the CEO has to apologize immediately, right or wrong, just to get this shit off the front page. $10 bucks says their stock will be higher a week from now, or after earnings.  

New laws Jack, come on. Did you fuck a Democrat last night? This was a one-time deal, and you want new laws, new regulations.
Posted By: JackDunphy
United fucked up by letting him board the aircraft and by not offering him the max, which is $1350 I believe. Once seated, I think only a true emergency should remove the man.  
   
 They could have and should have transported the employees by other means. So I think we need new laws governing these type of situations.  
   
 On the other side of the coin, once LE tells you to get out, you get out. Your recourse then is through the company's HQ's and if that didn't satisfy him, through the courts.  
   
 Lots of guilty parties here. No one looks good.

JackDunphy 440 reads
posted
7 / 40
This was a very unusual case and United should have handled it with the uniqueness it deserved.

The two cities are 4 hours away by CAR for fucks sake. They risked a PR nightmare due to $50 in gas and a stop at Wendy's? That makes sense to you?

This should have been handled at the gate AND United had other options. Again, if the reports are true, they offered $800 which was well short of the max for UNITED's fuck up, NOT the customer.

Now, I happen to think the client is a douche, on that we will agree. He also is a convicted felon per reports so that wont help his case.  

I believe he was committing a felony on the plane as well, so you and I are on agreement on the passenger.
Related Link: http://www.syracuse.com/us-news/index.ssf/2017/04/united_passenger_identified_david_dao...

Madison_Ohare See my TER Reviews 215 reads
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8 / 40
it was horrifying to watch

I have used O'Hare airport before and about never got back to ATL for delayed flights.  I have had a carry on luggage come down and smack me in the face coming back from San Fran.  But I have never seen anything as ugly as this doctor being smacked loose from his seat belt and dragged off the plane!!!

In todays news they are saying the doctor was once charged with a crime of trading drugs for sex.  I didn't bother to read the article, because even if he did once commit a crime.  I cannot tolerate the brutality of what was recorded with this man and the trauma of all the passengers aboard.  I hope he gets every penny of their insurance money!!!!

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macdaddy1944 51 Reviews 169 reads
posted
9 / 40
boycott

should have flown drag by..

Posted By: Smartie
I watched that disturbing video of the Asian doctor passenger who was dragged off the plane. So freakin violent, I hated every second of the footage and cried. Everyone at work has been talking about it. I'm in for the boycott. What are your thoughts?

TwoMints 356 reads
posted
10 / 40
Re: This was a very unusual case and United should have handled it with the uniqueness it deserved.

I don't feel sorry for the guy at all. His background doesn't matter at all.  His lying about having to see patients doesn't matter.

He was given a lawful order. His travel agreement clearly states that this can happen. He should have gotten off the plane.  

What did that fuck think was going to happen?  The hilarious part is that cunt whining about it. Noooooooooo.. Lady maybe your fat ass should have taken the 800 and a free flight or what ever was offered.  

To bad I'm not from that area, I'd love to be on the jury, that dick wouldn't get shit.  

Hopefully they press charges.  People need to be civilized. Deal with this shit in a civilized way.  

Of course United should have figured out a better way to deal with this. Offered people more money. Eventually people would give up their seat.  No one considers that if those employees don't get to their destination, another flight is grounded, and on and on.  Years ago, I took the bump every time I could. Free money, flights what ever. I had the time. Even now where 800 wouldn't matter much to me, I'd have taken it. I'd make them throw in a hotel room, then I'd hire a hooker for an hour or two :)
Posted By: JackDunphy
The two citie

s are 4 hours away by CAR for fucks sake. They risked a PR nightmare due to $50 in gas and a stop at Wendy's? That makes sense to you?  
   
 This should have been handled at the gate AND United had other options. Again, if the reports are true, they offered $800 which was well short of the max for UNITED's fuck up, NOT the customer.  
   
 Now, I happen to think the client is a douche, on that we will agree. He also is a convicted felon per reports so that wont help his case.  
   
 I believe he was committing a felony on the plane as well, so you and I are on agreement on the passenger.

marikod 1 Reviews 300 reads
posted
11 / 40
No, Jack, LE cannot drag you off the airplane because

the airline has decided to give your seat to someone else, even if you area 69 year old doctor.   Better reread that contract of carriage, Jack- all 45 pages. I doubt it says that that a ticketed passenger obeying all FAA rules can be forcibly  removed solely for this reason.

       If the contract of carriage does allow for removal in this situation, which I doubt, this guy was simply in breach of contract. He was trespassing. You can’t resort to physical force to resolve a civil trespass, or a breach of contract.

          Lawsuit against United incoming. Using the Marikod crystal ball, which is never wrong, I can even predict the resolution – a six figure settlement.

“On the other side of the coin, once LE tells you to get out, you get out. Your recourse then is through the company's HQ's and if that didn't satisfy him, through the courts.”  
 
         This was not a “lawful order”.  Was the guy arrested for criminal trespass”? For disorderly conduct? For violation of FAA regs? Not that I have read. They just jerked this grandfather out of his seat.  Was he charged after the fact? No, or at least not yet.  

        By the way Jack, criminal trespass and disorderly conduct are usually misdemeanors. What “felony” did this guy commit?

        Not surprising that the  guy who dragged him off the plane has been suspended.

        If this guy was a state LE officer, lawsuit against the security officer for using excessive force  incoming.

impposter 49 Reviews 381 reads
posted
12 / 40
Unusual case but more common occurrence

I agree that UA blew it. There were no other ways to get the UA employees to KY? Ridiculous. No other carriers fly that route? No other small (prop) aircraft going that way? How about an Uber?  

Except for the violent outcome here, it looks like bumping is fairly common:

"Last year, United forced 3,765 people off oversold flights and another 62,895 United passengers volunteered to give up their seats, probably in exchange for travel vouchers. That's out of more than 86 million people who boarded a United flight in 2016, according to government figures obtained by the AP.

United ranks in the middle of U.S. carriers when it comes to bumping passengers. ExpressJet, which operates flights under the United Express, American Eagle and Delta Connection names, had the highest rate of bumping passengers last year. Among the largest carriers, Southwest Airlines had the highest rate, followed by JetBlue Airways."

65,000 bumps out of 86,000,000 enplanements is only a tiny 0.07% bump rate (7 bumps per 10,000 boardings), but it's still 65,000 events, not just 1 or 2.  And those stats are are for UA only.  There were around 700,000,000 domestic enplanements in 2016, total, which could mean around 500,000 bumps that year. The per centages are low, but it's still a lot of bumps, especially if you're the one getting bumped.
Posted By: JackDunphy
The two cities are 4 hours away by CAR for fucks sake. They risked a PR nightmare due to $50 in gas and a stop at Wendy's? That makes sense to you?  
   
 This should have been handled at the gate AND United had other options. Again, if the reports are true, they offered $800 which was well short of the max for UNITED's fuck up, NOT the customer.  
   
 Now, I happen to think the client is a douche, on that we will agree. He also is a convicted felon per reports so that wont help his case.  
   
 I believe he was committing a felony on the plane as well, so you and I are on agreement on the passenger.

TwoMints 410 reads
posted
13 / 40
Re: No, Jack, LE cannot drag you off the airplane because

I buy a ticket to a show. I'm asked to leave for what ever reason. If I do not leave, no matter that I paid for the ticket, that is criminal trespass when I refuse to leave.  I don't own the theater. I can't stay because I think it's my right to. They can and do enforce their right to the seat I rented. I don't own it.

He can and should be arrested when he failed to follow the FA's orders. What would happen if the plane was aloft is they would land the plane and he would be arrested.  You have to follow there orders.  

I don't think that his removal, while ugly, is in any way unlawful.  

What's crazy is that so many get bumped and that this is the first instance that the passenger failed to comply.  Most people are rational, and while pissed as hell, they get up and get off the plane.  
Posted By: marikod
the airline has decided to give your seat to someone else, even if you area 69 year old doctor.   Better reread that contract of carriage, Jack- all 45 pages. I doubt it says that that a ticketed passenger obeying all FAA rules can be forcibly  removed solely for this reason.  
   
        If the contract of carriage does allow for removal in this situation, which I doubt, this guy was simply in breach of contract. He was trespassing. You can’t resort to physical force to resolve a civil trespass, or a breach of contract.  
   
           Lawsuit against United incoming. Using the Marikod crystal ball, which is never wrong, I can even predict the resolution – a six figure settlement.  
   
 “On the other side of the coin, once LE tells you to get out, you get out. Your recourse then is through the company's HQ's and if that didn't satisfy him, through the courts.”  
   
          This was not a “lawful order”.  Was the guy arrested for criminal trespass”? For disorderly conduct? For violation of FAA regs? Not that I have read. They just jerked this grandfather out of his seat.  Was he charged after the fact? No, or at least not yet.  
   
         By the way Jack, criminal trespass and disorderly conduct are usually misdemeanors. What “felony” did this guy commit?  
   
         Not surprising that the  guy who dragged him off the plane has been suspended.  
   
         If this guy was a state LE officer, lawsuit against the security officer for using excessive force  incoming.

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 460 reads
posted
14 / 40
That was my first thought too - it was a civil matter. There was no...

..."lawful order" - the passenger had not broken any laws.  It's not the same as causing a disturbance.  But cop sycophant jack-booted JackDumbphy thinks that anytime a cop tells you to do anything, it's a lawful order.  He obviously never heard of the phrase "Question Authority."

TwoMints 319 reads
posted
15 / 40
Re: That was my first thought too - it was a civil matter. There was no...

So he has the right to stay in/on someones property? They have no right to ask him to leave?  

Point me to some/any law that says that's okay, that you can just do what ever the fuck you want.

Why do you view his "right" as greater then the owner's (anyone employee is acting in that capacity) rights.  He's renting a seat. He doesn't own shit.  
Posted By: BigPapasan
..."lawful order" - the passenger had not broken any laws.  It's not the same as causing a disturbance.  But cop sycophant jack-booted JackDumbphy thinks that anytime a cop tells you to do anything, it's a lawful order.  He obviously never heard of the phrase "Question Authority."

marikod 1 Reviews 287 reads
posted
16 / 40
No, when you buy that ticket you have a contractual right to sit in the seat

for the duration of the show in accordance with whatever terms are on the ticket. If the show sells out and the theatre owner wants to give your seat to his girlfriend, you are not required to leave. That is NOT A CRIMINAL TRESPASS.

       But if the ticket says you must relinquish your seat to the handicapped, for example, and you do not do it, then you have breached the contract and have committed a civil trespass. But they still can’t eject you by force. Nor will the police, unless the officer determines you are committing a crime.

       In this case, I don’t think the contract of carriage permits removal simply to give your seat to the crew. Several aviation attys have offered this opinion ager reading the CC.  

       But if it does, given that the guy was just sitting in his seat and believed he had the right to do so, where is the criminal intent? At best, I think the officer was required to arrest him for criminal trespass, and then apply reasonable force. He cannot apply force just bc the guy ignored the order as Jack seems to think. He did have the right to be silent, you know.  

        That never happened – the officer simply accepted the soon to be demoted UA official’s statement that the guy should be ejected and dragged him off without probable cause to believe he committed a crime or an arrest.

Based on what we know, this was a purely civil matter, not a criminal one.

USGrantlover 225 Reviews 182 reads
posted
17 / 40
Most Ignorant Post Ever

It was a 70 seat commuter jet. Flying from Chicago to Louisville. Do you really think it had a first class cabin? Do you ever tire of looking so foolish?

-- Modified on 4/11/2017 9:14:51 PM

USGrantlover 225 Reviews 250 reads
posted
18 / 40
"their insurance money?" EOM


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stucaboy 418 reads
posted
19 / 40
Travelers nightmare: Flying Delta thru Atlanta. Never seen an airport with so many

low life scum waiting to con passengers right under the nose of security.  Makes my blood boil.

TwinCitiesGuy 19 Reviews 126 reads
posted
20 / 40
New TV commercial ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ_BwnbSrWs

AssAngler 241 reads
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21 / 40
How did they choose to Mr. Lucky?

Potatoe?  Short Stick?  Einey, meeny, miny, moe?

No, I know since second grade who deserves a whupin'

CENZO1 162 Reviews 257 reads
posted
22 / 40
A simple solution

All tickets are non-refundable. This would eliminate overbooking and any subsequent problems that go along with it. Of course, business travelers in particular would be horrified by such a move. But hey, you buy a ticket to see a New York play or an athletic event, and then at the last minute something comes up. Do you get (or expect) a refund?

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 350 reads
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23 / 40
Yes, he's renting the seat. The key word is "contract.". See marikod's...

...post above.  Renters have contractual rights.  If you rent an apartment, can the landlord drag you out of it if they decide to let someone else take your place?  It all depends on the language of the contract, whether for an apartment or a seat on an airplane, not what TwoBits pulls out of his ass.

borabora 15 Reviews 343 reads
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24 / 40
UA showed disregard for basic human decency that even JD deserves

The arrogance of UA and their disregard for basic human decency is shocking!😫

That passenger didn't do anything wrong or unlawful to deserve such shabby treatment. He didn't steal. He paid for the service.  

The idiots who are saying he showed disregard for law should look themselves in the mirror.

JD, When you pay to fuck a hooker, it's illegal where you are doing it. Just because you did something illegal, it wouldn't be right for LE to mutilate your genitals.
Posted By: Smartie
I watched that disturbing video of the Asian doctor passenger who was dragged off the plane. So freakin violent, I hated every second of the footage and cried. Everyone at work has been talking about it. I'm in for the boycott. What are your thoughts?

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 322 reads
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25 / 40
And that's relevant to this thread how? (E)


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Madison_Ohare See my TER Reviews 278 reads
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26 / 40
the airline, and? EOM

Posted By: USGrantlover

USGrantlover 225 Reviews 247 reads
posted
27 / 40
Making no sense eom



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JackDunphy 424 reads
posted
28 / 40
Are you sure bc you don't sound 100% sure.

USA Today seems to think that the contract of carriage does give United the right to remove him. Are they wrong or is this more of a gray area where different judges could very well rule differently?

Related Link: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/04/11/airlines-detail-flight-rules-contracts-o...

Madison_Ohare See my TER Reviews 167 reads
posted
29 / 40
makes no sense to you that he should sue the shit of them??? call

me to be on that jury and I will give him every penny!  Surely the airline has insurance to protect them from paying out of pocket the huge loss this is going to cost them.

USGrantlover 225 Reviews 317 reads
posted
30 / 40
Think about it for a second

Do you really think UAL has insurance that pays out on every nickel and dime lawsuit? I don't. And this would never ever get to trial much less a jury verdict. They will settle this before it comes close to a lawsuit even being filed and a company this size pays such settlements as well as any jury verdicts (not catastrophic ones like crashes which would be covered by insurance) "out of pocket."

i have no doubt that you'd give this "victim" billions if it were up to you. Your first post last sentence made less than zero sense to me. That's all.

-- Modified on 4/12/2017 7:39:16 AM

GaGambler 350 reads
posted
31 / 40
Actually I am pretty sure it's written in the fine print on your ticket

and I doubt United actually broke any laws, but that doesn't make what they did "right" even if it was technically legal.

This is, and should be a public relations nightmare for United when a passenger who did absolutely wrong is not only dragged out of his seat, but suffers injuries all due to what was a United Airlines fuck up in the first place.

I can picture myself in that guys exact scenario, and I don't know if I would have willingly gotten off that plane either. I hope he gets at least a cool million out of the deal and I hope it costs United a hundred times that in lost revenue. When I say I won't fly that airline for free I am being absolutely truthful about it. I still have 60,000 miles left over from when I was a Platinum Continental frequent flyer, more than enough for a first class round trip ticket anywhere in the country, or even to CR if I chose. I would rather pay another airline full price than fly United for free. This only confirms it for me.

It does appear that the first two cops were being measured and reasonable, and where trying to diffuse the situation, when the third cop came in and went all Dirty Harry on a guy who was simply "standing his ground" and not being belligerent or abuse in the least. Some cops simply don't have the temperament for the job, I hope this cop loses his badge over this. Sorry Jack, but not all cops deserve to be cops.

GaGambler 422 reads
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32 / 40
Actually the stoner chick is probably right for once

Even I have a GL policy that keeps me from paying "out of pocket" for trivial or nuisance lawsuits as does every business that deals with the public and most individuals who have any net worth they want to protect.

I will concede that a company the size of UAL most likely owns it's own insurance agency and probably "self insures" though.

I would bet that UAL will settle for a LOT more money than would ever be awarded at trial. I doubt his "actual damages" would be more than a few thousand, and I am sure a "real" lawyer, or maybe even Marikod can tell us what the limitations are for "punitive" damages, but regardless of how high that number could be, the PR loss would be in the hundreds of millions if they ever did try to "defend" their actions in a court of law, the "court of public opinion" would crucify them.

marikod 1 Reviews 393 reads
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33 / 40
Always a good idea to read your own link, Jack

(Why am I getting that déjà vu feeling now?) Had you done so, you would have noticed that the article does NOT say a passenger can be removed so the carrier can give his seat to an employee. Didn’t it at least make you suspicious when the article is headlined “you can be removed for many reasons” but does not mentioned this one?

       But read Rule 21 yourself and you tell me.  No, don’t get confused between “denial of boarding” and removal of a boarded passenger. This was not a safety or security situation. Nor, despite all the clueless talking heads, was this an “overbooking” situation. The flight was not overbooked – they wanted to give his seat to a crew member.

A clear breach of contract and assault by United.
Related Link: https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx

USGrantlover 225 Reviews 188 reads
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34 / 40
I disagree.

Could be wrong but what insurance company would insure occurrences like this for a company the size of UAL? Doubt many if any. The deductible would be absurdly high and the premiums worse. I do agree the settlement will be far greater than any court award.

USGrantlover 225 Reviews 287 reads
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35 / 40
My main point was surely

A company the size of UAL self insured for crap like this. Same for the city of Chicago. Surprised the city's cops didn't just shoot him. JK. I think.

USGrantlover 225 Reviews 226 reads
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36 / 40
I'm not a lawyer as some pretend to be here.

I'm not an insurance expert either. Hence the uncertainty in my post. That said do you think UAL doesn't self insure events like this? That'd be even worse management than the beatdown. Well almost as bad.

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AssAngler 312 reads
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37 / 40
UAL's algorithm


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GaGambler 237 reads
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38 / 40
Like my Daddy used to say "Darn clever those Chinese"

Good for him, I hope he gets a bundle.

Keep in mind, it won't be just UAL getting heat over this, the cop is not an UAL employee, his department/city et al will also be getting sued to boot. and rightfully so.

USGrantlover 225 Reviews 367 reads
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39 / 40
City of Chicago. And soon he'll be getting his 15 minutes on MSNBC ad nauseum.

Can't wait.................

Timbow 178 reads
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40 / 40
LOL. E

Posted By: USGrantlover
It was a 70 seat commuter jet. Flying from Chicago to Louisville. Do you really think it had a first class cabin? Do you ever tire of looking so foolish?  

-- Modified on 4/11/2017 9:14:51 PM

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