absolute last option...Invading Afghanistan was the right thing to do, since they harbored the terrorist that actually did have a role in attacking us on 9/11...but then George Bush decides war is the answer to all the problems in the Middle East...For all of you chicken hawks who support war w/o having a damn clue about what it does to people, here is a forum full of images that you should check out to see what you are supporting...dont be afraid to look at what you supported...

Absolutely disgusting what human beings can do to eachother, especially in wars that are unnecessary...I hope there is a God and George  Bush has to answer for what he has done...

De Niro i clicked on your link and got connected to a SexSearch website.  Not that i minded, but i wondered if you were trying to somehow reference the ancient Greek drama - I think it's The Trojan Women - where the womenfolk withhold sex from their husbands until they stop making war?  I mean if George was cut of from the charms of Laura, or even on the sly from Condi, I mean who knows?

As for GWBII answering to God, he's already answering to Ari Sharon, hence our war in Iraq, so why worry the poor incompetent terminally clueless sap any further with concerns about the afterlife?

Because you could always grab your roller-skating cross and get yourself a job doing security for Halliburton in Baghdad, you know.   Sorta put your money where your mouth is.   That way we'd know one Republican who wasn't so much of a blowhard.

are you planning on doing some of this, or are you just cheerleading?

Thee are some very ngry guyz out there.  It's a bad sign when i've contributed the most temperate post to a thread.

GWB answering to Sharon? Isn't it equally logical that by exiting the Gaza strip, Sharon is answering to GWB?

...that you're verging dangerously close to "Right Wing Nutcase's" material.

Only difference is that he/she is funny!

maybe if he can't go there himself, maybe he'll volunteer to double his taxes to support the troops.

Jeez, that's a whole lot more than $1.99 for one of them yellow ribbons, innit?  That's the beauty of them lil yellow things, all hat and NO CATTLE.

be your contribution?   I sure don't see a Republican offering to pay more taxes so the troops can be paid a little more.  Naw, that won't happen.

he was hanging on a cross.   With friends like that, I guess you don't need enemies, hunh?

Hate to bring you to reality but don't you realize that somewhere in Jalabad or Rawalpindi or Islamabad or similar points distant and inhospitable, your Islamic fundamentalist counterparts are busy posting merry sentiments like "death to the Crusader Zionist infidels who visit death and destruction  upon us with their blasphemous affronts to Islam, and praise be Allah  give us the strength and the courage to smite every one of those jackals" or something equally cheerful?  

I say let you and him fight.  They're willing to put their $$$ where their deranged mouths are, but can you say the same?

Bush is in God's side? No doubt a bad case of gas.

Nevile Chamberlin spent years kissing Hitler's ass to avoid war because it was the absolute "absolute last resort".

By doing so, Hitler was emboldened and claimed more and more. By the time it was "necessary", Hitler had had the time to grow even more powerful, with a larger arsenal and it costs MANY MORE lives than if we had stopped him earlier.

Don't worry about GWB answering to God, but yourself when God asks why you choose to do NOTHING while evil flousished around you....

http://www.temple.edu/classics/lysistrata.html

The potential fallacy is the assumption that the men give a damn.  Eg., perhaps they went to war in the 1st place because they got cut off, and are now beyond caring?

Or, watching Dubya, does he strike you as a particularly, shall we say, vigorous sort of guy?  Or maybe more like somebody in a lifelong haze?

It's either them or us! The enemy are evil murderers and islamic fanatics who relentlessly seek out our destruction! Have you not learned at all by now? This fight is a long fight and requires patience and perseverance! The struggle for a stable and peaceful world depends on our success in Iraq. This war must be won and the enemy must killed and destroyed! Time will prove that we did the right thing in Iraq as democracy spreads in the middle east! We as a nation should rally behind the president and the troops. And those who mouthed off and sided with the enemy (i.e. who think that Bush is a criminal or our armed forces are an army of occupiers and not liberators or US is the evil empire and the great satan) should be considered traitors! And I for one consider these people as my enemy!

heads blown off.

well, i can run...

war tends to be a last option by definition, because there is really not a whole lot more that you can do to people than kill them, QED.

go hunt down sumuv them ragheads and furriners!!!!!  Git our yer gameboy an blast them little bastards away!!!  An doan fergit yer meds, either!!

willing to blow each other away.  Interspecies conflict happens in EVERY species, and is closely connected to competition for resources.    Not enough nookie to go around, then toast a few slanteyed ragheaded Krauts.  

The thing that may be unique to humans is that some of us have learned to con others into doing the dirty work.  Think of it as Republican population control.

Invoking God as a partisan presumably of one's own side is always interesting as heck and never fails to amuse the shit out of me. I never do it personally though.

But I really fear you vastly overestimate God's interest in our pathetic little goings-on.  I mean, he's God, right?  Omnipotent?  Omniscient?  And lots of other really cool stuff no no else can come close to equaling?  What makes you think he's really at all interested?

Keep trying, if there's a defense of your position it's to be found in the secular world.

Peace and good health.

PS. Historically the failure to appease Hitler is an exception, and an amazing one at that. Prior to Adolph appeasement was a tried-and-true and time honored concept and practice of European interstate diplomacy.  It's failure in 1936-39 is what really gives it such a bad name.

But like the famous punchline to which no joke exists :... but other than that, how'd you like the play Mrs. Lincoln?"

so tell us, who exactly are we fighting, and where are they?

Do you have some names and grids?   Why not?   Because you just want everybody to live in a perpetual state of fear so you can gut traditional American freedom?  Who's the traitor here?

I knew Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler was a friend of mine. Snowman, Saddam Hussein is no Adolf Hitler."

because my enemy is my...uh enemy and the enemy of my enemy is my enemy too, I think and maybe everybody is my enemy so everybody should be killed then the crime rate will go down or something and it will be so cool when all those dead Iraqis start a democracy of zombies maybe. That would be so cool.

Being chronically depressed, a pessimist and a guilt-ridden lapsed Catholic, I think it's the other way around - war breaks out when we're sick of ourselves.  How else can so many be conned so badly by so few?  Hating oneself is an uncomfortable feeling to say the least; it probably produces a lot of anxiety and tension individually and collectively, which is externalized as aggression aginst others?

I think you mean INTRAspecies conflict [conflict within species].  Interspecies conflict is conflict between different species [which come to think of it, man is pretty good at as well].  Scarcity of resources as a cause of war is a time-honored favorite among anthropologist to explain war in primitive societies and cultures.  [If you can work through appx 500 pages take a look at "The Parable of the Tribes" by Andrew[?] Shmookler. Well worth your time].

Peace and good health to all.

you just go out and kick ass, and keep on kicking ass ad infinitum.  If you stop to think about it (like what is kicking ass, whose ass is being kicked, or why it hurts when they kick back), you're dead [g]

1. I can't commit to such direct action ;

2. like the Powell doctrine I must be sure that :

a. i'm kicking the right ass
b. there is no other choice except to kick ass
c. I can kick ass with overwhelming force
d. public opinion is surely in favor of me kicking ass
e. I can define the terms of success for "kicking ass"
f. I have an exit strategy for the aftermath of kicking ass

Ah, it's easier to take crank and stay up 39 consectutive hours watching porn.

Peace to you - after you' kicked your share of ass.

ANYTHING.  World's best cure for blues.

There is a time and place for stopping the thinking, and just do.   You just have to be fairly close to right.  Bruises and broken bones are no big deal, but fatal decisions are to be avoided.

maybe He was aiming for those fairies in Nawlins, but his aim ain't much good anymore.  

Yeah, that must be it.

But here's what I can't understand:  why does God make Bush talk like such a jackass?  You know, "food on our families", "wings take dream" "peeance freeance Iraq" all the stuff that makes us compare Little Danny Quayle to Winston Churchill.

C'mon a little credit please.

Taking crank and watching porn is something.

The crashes are deadly though.

but I believe it was the original poster who first invoked the use of God.

So either you have attached this to the wrong message, or more likely....


you just don't know what you are doing.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE accept my apologies.

I hope I did not cause you any embarrasment.

Obviously, attached wrongly.

As for not knowing what i'm doing, that's what  really snotty graduate students refer to as "a brillant glimpse of the obvious?"

Forgiven?

Peace and good health to you.

Apologies to Mark Twain, but reports of Ari Sharon's willingness to act in a manner not totally detrimental, let alone helpful to, the US have been GREATLY EXAGGERATED.

A few threads down I respond in greater detail to another point like this you also made.  Assuming it does not run afoul of the Troll Ban.

Peace and good health to you.