Here is an article from The Nation.  Yes, I know it is a liberal leaning publication, but it is also a respected magazine.  Here is the main point of the article; read the rest and make your own opinion.

"One revelation in particular should be sounding a constitutional emergency siren: The President has known for more than two years that his Administration has been pursuing policies that could qualify as war crimes under federal and international law. In a January 25, 2002, memo, White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales advised the President of "the threat of domestic criminal prosecution under the War Crimes Act," a federal statute. He advised Bush to invent a legal technicality--declaring detainees in the "war on terror" to be outside the Geneva Conventions--which, he said, "substantially reduces" the chance of prosecution. Gonzales went further, telling the President that the war on terrorism "renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners"; he pooh-poohed concerns that abandoning the Geneva standards might endanger US troops.

Let's be clear about what this means: Gonzales was urging--and the President adopted as policy--an end run around federal laws. The War Crimes Act, passed by Congress in 1996, allows criminal prosecution of Americans for actions that violate the rights granted prisoners and civilians by the Geneva Conventions and for "outrages upon personal dignity." It is backed by the full range of federal penalties, up to and including the death penalty. And all treaties, including the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention, are likewise the binding law of the land"

except when it supports their position.  When the Law hinders their desired objectives, it's simply something to be subverted.  But not to worry, we'll just take a Supreme Court Justice Duck Hunting via Air Force One, to insure that he won't be issuing any troublesome rulings against us.

The fact is, it's Marxist.

or is this the usual Republican strategy of badmouthing opponents continuously until some fools start to believe the lies.  

Again, explain why The Nation is Marxist.  Put your money where your mouth is, or else I'll take it for granted that you can't because your foot is already in your mouth.

That's hilarious.  Someone makes a comment, and you Lefties immediately go on the attack ("your foot is already in your mouth").

Of course the Nation is Marxist.  It always has been Marxist.  It has many columnists who are Marxist.  It has throughout its long history (since 1865) espoused Marxists ideas and advanced Marxist causes, particularly in the 1930s and 1940s, when "it was sympathetic to the views of the CPUSA and has often included Marxist contributors and editors."  It is distinguishable from other Liberal publications, such as The New Republic.  Perhaps if you actually read it, you'd know that.

And no, this is not "the usual Republican strategy of badmouthing opponents continuously until some fools start to believe the lies."  This is telling the truth and not wasting too much time with Lefties who demand proof of motherhoods.

What you represent is the usual Leftie response of not being able to dispute the message, so you attack the messenger.

no it doesn't, check it out for yourself at genova convention.org, look at article 3 about treatment of pow. it apply's to every nation who signed the treaty and when you get done w/this, you might want to look at the haig treaty. then when you get up to speed i'll teach you about the rules of engagement as outlined in the articles of war.

Is that what the United States stand for in your opinion? Not in mine!

That is so lame - I thought we were supposed to be the good guys. Hell, maybe if we pull the fingernails out of a random 1000 Iraqis, slowly, and salt the fresh wounds we'll get some intelligence from one or two of them.
Is that a reasonable course of action for a civilized society?

You know-  Marxism is not too bad a set of ideas.  A little wierd, but actually has been accepted into society pretty well.

I think you are thinking of Marxist-Leninism and Stalinism- those are your real failed idea sets.  Very few true believers left for those philosophies....

And if we start looking for all the books and papers that supported the America firsters and the German American Bund, the Father Coughlin fans and the John Birchers, I think you'd see a real cross -section of American press too.

Of course the Fox organisation can compete with just about any media group anywhere, anytime as shameless political shills.  Various parts of their org could pass for Der Sturmer or Tass/Pravda, if you pick your spots.

I get mother Jones sent to me, and they can be pretty knee-jerk Liberal- but still less annoyingly one sided than my Sunday AM viewing of the Fox version of Meet the press.  It is like they go out of their way to find Rightwingers who can talk- but whose actual knowledge of their topic is minimal.  And then their Nimrod host tries to tie it all up as another lesson in how Liberalism is bad.

It's common knowledge that Karl Rove was shopping for journalists to out Valerie Plame (deep cover CIA agent), as payback to her husband Joseph Wilson for his exposing the yellow(uranium) cake hoax cited by Bush in his 2003 State of the Union address.

When faced with a felony charge, though, one wonders if Rove will serve up George W. instead. Hard to imagine Rove taking the fall for W. Probably loyalty among these guys only goes so far.

You know, you just can't make this stuff up. George W. now having unequivocal proof of Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction, namely Saddam's pistol that he takes out to show guests in the White House. Fresh info indicating that ex-neocon favorite Chalabi was an operative of the Iranians, with the most successful disinformation campaign since Stalin's "Trust" set up soon after WWI. And now polygraph testing at the Pentagon to see who were Chalabi's accomplices.

From my perspective, I have never seen such a bunch of incompetents as George W. and his underlings. It would be laughable, except for the extraordinary blood and treasure that we and our descendants will pay for their hubris.


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The act in question is the outing of a deep cover CIA operative, simply as an act of political retribution.  The chief suspects have always been Karl Rove and Scooter Libby (who is Dick Cheney's chief of staff).  It's probably the most dispicable political act since Watergate, and is arguably much worse.  But, still, the Right Wing dismisses it as though it was nothing.  Thank goodness it wasn't a blowjob.