Fat chance, but I hope to god he sings like a canary.

Fat chance that he'll sing...more likely he'll TOFTT (just like some of us..lol).

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001391666

"We are obviously watching and the press is beginning to document the implosion of a presidency"

Damned liberals.  If they didn't report this stuff, everybody would be just fine.  I want to know, exactly what IS the problem with being crooked as a hound's hind leg??

breaking rocks.   Fat chance.  He'll probably have to bounce tennis balls for 6 months at Club Fed.

An indictment is not a conviction. An indictment means squat.

They still need to go to trial and get a conviction in court. It will be interesting to see where and how this ultimately plays out.

On a practical matter, thanks to the excessive interest shown by the press, an idictment of some type had to be handed down and someone in the admin had to fall on thier sword. Why Libby, I "dunno", but it was a forgone conclusion that anyone who was indicted would resign before GWB had to fire them.

I suspect this peters out to nothing significant because both sides will scream a load of crap and try all kinds of diversionist tactics, and something else will pop up in the news to distract attention.

I notice how many on this board have shifted all the attention to Libby and Cheney, when only a few eeks ago it was all about Rove and many of the diehard posters just "knew" that Rove was guilty.

Scooter Libby has fallen on the sword like the loyal soldier he is, and was expected to do. i respect him for his sense of loyalty. Indeed, it is that depth of loyalty that is the one thing I admire about Bush. He understands it, and rewards it.
Libby was the first, and will probably be the Sacrificial Lamb. The media and the public get their pound of flesh, and the higher ups avoid being tainted.
But if the investigation is allowed to proceed to its total depth, I believe others will follow Libby's indictment and subsequent resignation.

His resignation looks like the end of the line to me.  I'm sure he resigned because he's pure as the driven snow.  And I'm sure that they won't indict anybody else except for innocent children.

It's the damn liberal media again!!  Damn national security risks, talking about things without approval.

I'm just the messenger, but I will stick around to watch the show, and I've already got the shit-eating grin of anticipation [GGGGGGGGGGGGGGG]

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Bitdman, i still believe Rove had a hand in the situation. rove has his hands in EVERYTHING involving the perceptions the people have of Bush and the Bush White House.
At this time, the focus has shifted away from Karl Rove, and onto Cheney, who has a Teflon shield around him not unlike Bush and Reagan before them. Scooter Libby, though a powerful man in Washington in his own right, does not play anywhwere near as critical a role in the day to day political affairs of the Bush Administration as does Rove.
I believe this scenario is not finished however. At this time, Libby is indicted, and has resigned. Rove, although not indicted YET, has not been exonerated, and remains under investigation. Ditto Vice President Cheney, and other staff members of both the Prez, and Veep.

But Jbird, I'm not crowing, drooling, or anticipating here. Regardless of the outcome, This is another black mark on America's image in the the world. And surely merits at least the same level of scrutiny as Monica Lewinsky's blue dress.

Rove is still in the middle of this Fitzgerald said today that the investigation is "substantially complete" but "not over."  In the Libby indictment it also identifies the person who leaked Valerie Plame's ID to Robert Novak as "Official A" who is described as a "senior official in the White House." Sounds like Rove to me. Stay tuned, there are more criminal indictments to come.

I think this is the first time in something like 135 years that a senior WH official has been indicted -- so this is a big deal all by itself (with or without a conviction).

Also, Rove is not off the hook yet. Fitzgerald is continuing the investigation with a new grand jury. A lot of people are saying this is only the begining.

Be careful what you wish for!

To get out from under will POTUS decide to :

1. invade Iran ;
2. preemptively/preventively nuke Iran ;
3. invade Syria ;
4. invade North Korea ;
5. preemptively/preventively nuke North Korea '
6. withdraw from Iraq [well, he IS a confused fellow];
7. bring the Guantanamo internees to trial [now this one really would be a distraction, and not at all predictable.  i mean, can you imagine all the legal commentary and constitutional analysis? Karl who? Scooter who?]. And it's really low risk, few fatalities to be expected.

I wonder if he laughs at us.

I think Sherman Adams, White House aide to Ike, was indicted in 1958 over a freezer and a vicuna coat [obviously a very low cost of living era].

Let me be the first out of the gate with the obvious question re a potential golden parachute into Haliburton.

a potential golden parachute into Haliburton? no surprise here;after all isn't it a Bush government of corps., by corps., for corps.?

Pretty much like any other Repub Admin in the last 100 years or so.

But talk about potentially killing the goose that lays the golden eggs?  Like  so many of my  fellow NYers, these guys have no sense of shame or embarrasment  or restraint or any ability to look 1 nanosecond beyond the satifction of their immediate greeds and needs.

And they wonder why they're so reveiled [Libby and company and my fellow NYers].

...before their indictments came down.

And Nixon forced the resignations of both. Not sure if Libby's resignation was forced.

Be fair, politics is usually a dirty business.

100 years ago takes us back to TR, who was one of the 1st trust-busters.   Wilson, an idealistic Democrat, was also a committed racist.   Hoover was incredibly capable, as well as incredibly misguided - FDR and JFK were certainly capable of political   chicanery.   Eisenhower was probably one of the straightest presidents we've had, and LBJ was an old time suthin ward heeler, even if he did what he could to protect people.

The usual problem is when the politician involved doesn't fight the inherent crookedness, instead sleeping with the devil.  You could argue that Dubya and Reagan were too obtuse to recognize the problem, but I'm not sure how that would change anything.

Can't find anything with which to disagree.

Hoover not only capable, but totally snakebit.  Poor guy, i think he deserved something better than forever to be associated with the Great Depression.

Politics is not only dirty, it's often plain out unfair.

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Libby is lucky. 100 years ago he would have been charged with treason and hung if found guilty. I agree with President Bush and Vice President Cheney, Libby should be presumed innocent until a court of law finds him guilty, but if that happens, he should not be spared if he is found to have performed an act of treason against his country.

Ugly Thought Time : depending upon whether he's tried, convicted, sentenced and to where he's sentenced, TOFTT can have an massively unpleasant and entirely different meaning from it's customary usage on these boards.

Hey, doesn't a hound [and every other breed of dog] lift his hind leg to pee on something?

Was that your allusion?

no allusion - it's a suthinism.  A dog's hind leg is, well, crooked.  

You've never noticed?

Not to worry, I got that.   Up here when we reference the dog's hind leg, it's in derisive reference to possible homosexuality [as in, the dog's hind leg is not straight].

Gotta love these regionalisms.

I'm a modest guy, but I really did like my connection with the urinating on image for it's figurative power, such as it was.

Peace and good health to you.

A golden parachute combined with a Presidential pardon most likely.