The latest intelligence report not only points the finger at a direct Putin involvement in trying to sway the elections to Trumps advantage, it also points out that the Russians hacked into various Republican elected officials, think tanks, and various organizations. Plus, even though the rest of them, like the RNC, can't really rule out they they were hack, also.  So, now Putin has Trump and them all by the short hairs, and can controll and manipulate any of them that have something to hide. And, the press, innocently keeps asking why Trump will not condemn Russia for their activity. That he's narcissistic, that doing so delegitimizes his victory, that he want's to start out with a positive relationship with Putin and Russia, are all possible  legitimate reasons, however, few even hint that it may be because Putin has him by the short hairs.

And we have no clear and concrete answers as to motive if he was involved. It is quite possible they, along with the rest of us, thought Hillary was going to win and they wanted to discredit her, and weaken America, at the same time. We simply don't know.

But to further suggest that Putin has something on Trump is wild and absurd speculation not grounded in any reality. Do you really think Trump is beholden to anyone in life? He was very friendly with Kasich one day and enemies the next. I think he will turn on Russia, when the time is right.

I don't see why libs hair is so on fire before he even takes office. Calm down. Let's see how it plays out. Look, I think Putin will eventually fuck over America as Bush and Obama both found out.

But Trump cant be at verbal war with both China and Russia at the same time on day one. He is making the Russians out to be the "good" guys, for now, and pointing at the Chinese as bad actors on the economy and jobs.  

No righty wants Trump to be Putin's, or ANYBODY's, lap dog. You are jumping the gun here. Although it seems like Trump has been the POTUS for months now, lol, you might be surprised to know he hasn't even taken office yet

...or am I the only one who notices that nowhere in your comment is there any mention whatsoever of the fact that with all the TRILLIONS spent by this administration and defense industry on cyber security over the last 8 years, the Russians, Wikileaks, the Chinese and even David L. Lightman were able to penetrate the deepest levels and hack our systems.

How could this happen?

Who will take responsibility for this egregious failure of the Obama administration?

...between Putin, the oligarchs doing business in the U.S., and Trump and his campaign.

We know money came into the campaign. We don't know what Trump's businesses have done with banks and private developers or private investors. Then on top of that, there is no information made public about Putin's communication with the oligarchs guaranteeing they'll get their money and jerking back on their leash...if he even has them leashed.

So this triad is interesting because all parties have history with each other but are not particularly cozy in terms of ongoing aboveboard business arrangements. For obvious reasons aside from any involvement in the campaign.

In the months to come some questions will have to get a conclusive response. Otherwise they won't go away. Putin wants Trump to drop the sanctions. IF Trump is in debt over his head to Russian interests, he wants his tab paid off. The mob just wants its money. Surely something can be worked out.

The issue is not who is to blame, but who in our government will feel free to vote or operate based on their conscience, knowing that the Russia may expose them. I've listened to numerous intelligence experts, who have stated the the Russians having been hacking for years, but this is the first time they've done it for the benefit of one party over the other.

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What ever they hacked, and also prefer Trump over Clinton, mean that they have Trump by the short hairs? There is still a missing piece to this puzzle.

Matt, you could be right, I just want to see the evidence.

... so lemme take a closer lookfrom a different perspective and I'll let ya know.

Meanwhile, any comment on my perspective vis a vis failure of our cyber security?

cyber-security. However, I am not able to align that against the failure of the previous administration, nor of other countries. This is a relatively new area of warfare, which makes it difficult to judge what is a realistic level of success or failure in performance; at least in my limited knowledge in the field.

offering it up as FACT that Trump couldn't be trusted to safeguard the country because his private business couldn't protect itself against the concerted efforts of a nation state, but then of course when the DNC and other lefties and left wing organizations get hacked, nary a word about the incompetence of the current/outgoing administration.

I have no doubt there's a mumbo jumbo amount of liberals who'd like to remove their most definitely wrong  forecasts and analysis.   ROFL

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=270416&boardID=39&page=#270416

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=271191&boardID=39&page=#271191

   Smartest  liberal guy here  explanation  below.  
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=271235&boardID=39&page=#271235

  Using his argument  as the model for this discussion, how does anyone know who Putin  supported in the USA election.
  Looking at logic and logic only, if Putin  interfered with the US Presidential election, his primary goal would be making the US election system look suspect and underhanded, as crooked as any corrupt third world country.
 Only a fool would be convinced without proof, Putin would rather face off against a strong leader with back bone like President -Elect Trump  instead of  a worn out failure, coat tail hanging weakling like HRC.
   
   IMO HRC and the DNC proved  the left wing doesn't run fair elections and their system is corrupt.  
 
  There's indisputable proof they conspired against Bernie Sanders when he was the only one running who had a chance of winning against President - Elect Trump.
 
There's proof HRC was given debate questions before her debates with GOP  nominee Trump.
  Google - Donna Brazil corrupt journalist debate cheater
   
  We are the country with leaders constantly scolding  other countries for rigging elections.  
    http://qcitymetro.com/2016/10/19/obama-tells-trump-stop-whining-rigged-election-claim/

Whenever I am in a dialog, and concede to a person's viewpoint, you jump in and blame me for something I never said or did; but guilt by association. Not, a very constructive way to try and promote, constructive dialog on this board. Perhaps it's time to quit harping on criticizing Laffy until you can change your own ways!

Better go back to endlessly repeating your tired old material.
DANCE!

and I suppose you are denying jumping on that particular bandwagon.  

As long as you continue to support the likes of LTM no matter how wrong, biased, partisan or flat out dishonest he gets, I am going to keep criticizing you for it. You don't seem to care how dishonest or plain stupid a poster is as long as he is on the left side of an issue.

BTW parsing every single word someone who disagrees with you makes when you know you have a losing argument is also not a very to try to promote "constructive dialog" on this board. Not in this post, but it's a common tactic of yours. You aren't the worst person on this board in that respect, I think Jake is the absolute worst in this regard, but you are a close second.

It's not parsing. Rather it's confronting generalizations, and baseless accusations based on guilt by association (liberal vs. conservative, Democrat vs. Republican, nor with individual posters on this board). You're really sounding like a little girl when you use your tactic of invalidating a poster based on your view of his association, or agreement or disagreement with other posters.