How about getting some forecast here about the debate tomorrow?  Who will win?  

Anyone would like to stake a position!!!?



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Or, as they say on, Top Ten Conservative Idiots #172:

KERRY   If he's serious - they'll say he's glum, gloomy, pessimistic, and uninspiring.
If he's jovial - they'll say he's phony and trying too hard.

BUSH If he's serious - he's presidential, the war-time commander in chief.
If he's jovial- everybody wants to have a beer with him.

KERRY If he's forceful - they'll say he's too aggressive, mean, negative, desperate.
If he's calm - they'll say he's weak, unsteady, dull, lacks energy.

BUSH If he's forceful - they'll say he's strong, resolute, unwavering.
If he's calm - they'll say he's prepared, on-message, disciplined, reserved.

KERRY If he's specific - they'll say he's wonkish, presenting "laundry lists," being overly-intellectual, show-offy, and nobody likes the smart kid.
If he's not specific - they'll say he's vague, criticizing but not offering solutions, not addressing the issues, and nobody knows who he is.

BUSH If he's specific - they'll say he "lays out his plan" and "makes his case."
If he's not specific - they'll say he's spanning the issues, giving a global presentation, painting a broad outline of his plans.

KERRY If he jokes - they'll say he lacks gravitas, trivializes important issues, doesn't understand troops are in harm's way, nation's at war, disrespects the president, etc.
If he doesn't joke - they'll say he needs to lighten up, he's too stoney, he's wooden.

BUSH If he jokes - they'll say he's a man of the people, a regular guy, people relate to him.
If he doesn't joke - they'll say he truly cares about the American people and his sincerity resonates with voters in this difficult time.

Plus, if Bush finds his podium and doesn't trip on his way to it, he's surpassed all expectations. (Extra points for correct pronunciation of "Abu Ghraib" or "nuclear.")

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This generation can't judge who wins.  That's for future generations.  I just hope there will be some of those.

/Zin

Reraw -the format is going to be too scripted EOM

Despite the bile that zin has for Bush wich is blinding his vision, I agree that it will be pretty much a draw.

My thoughts is that Kerry will try to get Bush to mispeak - not a hard task.

And Bush will try to get Kerry to blow his top & sweat, oh and ramble on while answering questions - perhaps a harder feat to accomplish.

I'll be watching for sure.

Kerry Kicks Ass!!!!!!!!!

Who is this mysterious "they" that will be telling the Great Unwashed Sheeple what to think about the debates? Switch the names around on that list and the statements apply equally as well to partisan Kerry supporters as they apply to partisan Bush supporters.

It's funny to see how the comments of Kerry supporters have evolved over the last few months. When you guys were optimistic about Bush losing, it was because the American people were smart enough to realise how completely incompetent and evil Bush was. Now, as Kerry's poll ratings are declining, the excuse is that the American people are too ignorant to see the truth. It's always someone elses fault.

The simple truth is this: Kerry has run a bad campaign. And as Michael Barone has accurately stated, the quality of the campaign is a reflection of the quality of the candidate. Starting tonight, he may turn it around, but it sure doesn't seem likely.

RLTW

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And you conservative sheep will follow right along.

And, no, Kerry hasn't declined in the polls.  That appears to be another sheepmyth.

/Zin

The polls have Bush leading by 8 points today, September 30th, 2004.  And still nobody can figure out what John Kerry is saying!  Look for the margin to grow to cataclysmic proportions before November 2nd!

What must be even a further burden on you is that the black base is slipping away, down from 83% to 73% in just two months!

Black People are overwhelmingly Pro-Life.  Dem's Pro-Death!

Black People overwhelmingly  want school choice (vouchers)!  Dem's against school choice, while they send their kids to private schools!

Black People want an even playing field and are awakening to the fact that Equal Rights doesn't necessarily mean Equal Results without the hard work!  Dem's want to make them believe that they care for them and will take care of them, much like the 'slavemasters' of old!  And the result of that democratic promise has been dismal for over 40 years!

The Democratic Party is, as I write this, in it's beginning Death Throes!  Within 10 years the Black vote will be 83% Conservative Republican - 17% Socialistic Democrat and your party will be left with nothing more than the current leadership of Neo-Socialist Whiners, and maybe a few hobbyists as well!

I'm not concerned about which way the herd is heading.  That's your obsession, your need.

You're just predicting the apocolypse, judgment day, and the end of time, but you've recasted your ecstatic fantasies into political outcome.  

People can figure out what John Kerry is saying; it's just that you cannot.

The black base slipping away?  A shift of 10 percent in two months can also shift back in less time.  Present conditions are no indication of future ones.  Opinions are mercurial.  As soon as people realize how much modern Republicans resemble slave owners in temperment, meanness and the lust for power, that will stop any stampede into the GOP.  Plus, I don't trust any public opinion poll that you quote.  You're too needful of having a herd behind you.

Pro-Life seems appealing until people find out that anti-abortion and pro-life don't even resemble the same notion. When the particulars of outlawing abortion are actually debated, and it becomes apparent what has to be done to us to enforce it, then the pro-life shell immediately crumbles. In the meantime, it gives Christians a feeling of meaning while they are waiting for the apolocolypse and gives their politicians something to promise them.  

The same thing about "school vouchers," it will be great until we get them.  The voucher program tried in New Zealand indicates that vouchers contradict "No child left behind."  So, is Bush going to flip-flop again?  What New Zealand ended up with were a few good schools, and many bad ones, concentrated with minorities and problem students.  Think this might bring African-Americans back to the democratic party?  

I will add that US schools are dead last among all school systems in all industrialized countries, no matter what system.  The problems go deeper than a mere lack of "subsidized" deregulated government-off-your-back-but-handing-out-money-without-taxing-us capitalism.  Peculiar that you would worship this as a free market victory, Bribite.

The Soviet Union in the '60s had a far better school system than we do now.  There's more going on here, I'm afraid, than a mere lack of market forces.  Other countries are still doing better without them.    

What would I do to fix education? Step 1: Throw televisions out of the homes.  

Not a government power, you say?  Unfortunately, nothing less will start to fix it.    

/Zin