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Posted By: JackDunphy
FINALLY someone stood up to the insanity of the anti-choice public unions. Can you imagine what the Left would do if they were forced to fund Republican candidates and causes??? That is EXACTLY what these unions do, in reverse. Another win for the First Amendment!
It isn't the same thing.  
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I don't think workers should be forced to join the union representing others at that site or in that job. Usually, they aren't. (It's in the NLRB rules which I haven't read in their entirety.) And I don't think that those who choose not to join should be required to pay FULL union dues. However, they do reap the benefit of the collective bargaining agreements (and some other benefits) so I think that should be required to pay the fraction of the dues for services from which they benefit directly. (They get no strike or lockout benefits w/o paying into the fund. They get no other benefit w/o paying into the fund.)  
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Of course, one could also argue that non-union members who choose not to pay the collective bargaining portion of the dues shall not be covered by the collective bargaining agreement and have to negotiate wages and benefits on their own with Management.  If they can even get in to talk to Management.  
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(I think that current NLRB rules require union pay for non-union workers doing the same job. Maybe the unions will sue to exclude non-members from that benefit.)

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I am sure this will be a huge problem for public service unions.  

and I think and hope this will spill over to other unions too.
It will I'm sure take another SCOTUS decision, but that should not be a problem.  

What we really need is for all states should be Right to Work along with the federal government

 
2018 = GOP  

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This is not about union workers but big business and the GOP agenda.

-- Modified on 6/28/2018 12:36:26 PM

I had to look it up. According to the sites I linked below, that summary of the 1956 Republican Platform is, basically, true. Eisenhower was pro-union and union membership grew substantially during his first term.  
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/oct/28/facebook-posts/viral-meme-says-1956-republican-platform-was-prett/
http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/strife-of-the-party/

Posted By: bigguy30
This is not about union workers but big business and the GOP agenda.
I think the "asylum for refugees" plank must be what helped to get Dondi, the little Italian boy orphaned by WWII, into the US for adoption by his GI saviors.
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(IMO: labor unions did a LOT of good, going back to the 1800s and into the 20th century. In the late 1960s and early 1970s, things went INSANE with government and private industry caving in to outrageous union demands. For government officials, it was too easy to do anything to get re-elected: no new taxes AND no labor strike! Except they just passed the buck, more correctly millions and billions of bucks, to future generations in the form of debt and INSANE pension schemes. For the private sector, it was similar. There are essentially lifetime job guarantees in some of those old contracts; huge fixed pension and health benefits that put any normal 401k to shame. The "legacy cost" of those old contracts helped to kill the US auto industry that could not compete against foreign cars with but a fraction of those costs built into their sticker price. THAT, by the way, is why some big businesses support the idea of universal health care for all. If Big Business (from Heavy Industry to Wal-Marts) didn't have to provide health plans to employees, they could focus on other aspects of their business. (Yes, they would pay corporate, sales, real estate and other taxes and those taxes would help to provide health care for all, but they would no longer have to pay for corporate administration and all the other crap associated with corporate health plans. Basically, they are outsourcing their benefit plans to the government and getting to focus on BUSINESS, instead.)  
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98643230
"Legacy costs now (2008) tack on an additional $3,000 to each American car that rolls off the assembly line, Hill says."

-- Modified on 6/29/2018 12:24:56 AM

FINALLY someone stood up to the insanity of the anti-choice public unions. Can you imagine what the Left would do if they were forced to fund Republican candidates and causes??? That is EXACTLY what these unions do, in reverse. Another win for the First Amendment!

 
In addition to that, these unions have been mired in a massive conflict of interest for decades. Dims running for office suck up to union members to get their votes, promising all types of goodies i.e. higher pay, better benefits etc, and when they beat the Republican, that same Dem and his/her team, have to switch hats and represent the public when negotiating with the union.

 
How the fuck do you think that works out for the tax payer?

 
Yep, this decision was a win for the First Amendment AND a win for the tax payer, which of course makes the insane left shit their pants in outrage. You just cant make this shit up!

 
And they wonder why R's have a complete monopoly of every facet of government!

Go tell that to Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell.  Ryan can't get an immigration bill passed and McConnell is sucking up to Dems like Manchin to have a hope of confirming a new SCOTUS Justice.
Also, you might want to inform the Governors of our largest states.
Fool.

The Republicans hold the majority of governorships in the U.S.  

 
In addition to that idiocy, the R's don't need Manchin, or ANY Dim, to get a SCOTUS nominee through you dolt.  

 
Thank you for now proving your math is equally as bad as your reading comprehension. ;)

 
Now go tell the kids to get off your lawn and take that nap you so desperately need.

Posted By: JackDunphy
FINALLY someone stood up to the insanity of the anti-choice public unions. Can you imagine what the Left would do if they were forced to fund Republican candidates and causes??? That is EXACTLY what these unions do, in reverse. Another win for the First Amendment!
It isn't the same thing.  
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I don't think workers should be forced to join the union representing others at that site or in that job. Usually, they aren't. (It's in the NLRB rules which I haven't read in their entirety.) And I don't think that those who choose not to join should be required to pay FULL union dues. However, they do reap the benefit of the collective bargaining agreements (and some other benefits) so I think that should be required to pay the fraction of the dues for services from which they benefit directly. (They get no strike or lockout benefits w/o paying into the fund. They get no other benefit w/o paying into the fund.)  
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Of course, one could also argue that non-union members who choose not to pay the collective bargaining portion of the dues shall not be covered by the collective bargaining agreement and have to negotiate wages and benefits on their own with Management.  If they can even get in to talk to Management.  
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(I think that current NLRB rules require union pay for non-union workers doing the same job. Maybe the unions will sue to exclude non-members from that benefit.)

In fact I don't know of a single person who is in one that can opt out. If the unions are as great as the unions say they are, people wont opt out, right?

 
I am all for people to negotiate for themselves. That happens in what, 90% or higher of American jobs or so?  

 
Lets give them the option, as that is best in a democracy, as I think you and I are basically in agreement here.

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