Politics and Religion

Is enforcing laws against libel a free speech infringement?
willywonka4u 22 Reviews 422 reads
posted
1 / 26

Hillary Clinton openly said this on CNN. Remember lefties, that’s what “fact checks” are. They’re not about the truth. They’re about control.  

 
Link to CNN clip below.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 58 reads
posted
2 / 26

Even Cenk Uygur recognizes that Hillary has become the image of Emperor Palpatine.
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Cenk Uygur: "Hillary Clinton just said on CNN, “we lose total control” if social media content is not more regulated. Exactly! She's accidentally admitting the whole point of their attack on social media. Social media can't be contained and they're losing their grip on power. They hate it!"

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 55 reads
posted
3 / 26

how many weak-minded Dems are okay with censorship and being controlled by the party elites.  Some of them even post here.  

inicky46 61 Reviews 49 reads
posted
4 / 26

All she said was that content platforms should monitor what people post on their sites and remove things that are dangerous lies.
Sometimes a fact check is only a fact check.
Nothing in the First Amendment guarantees a right to lie.
Most of the lies told on this platform are told by righties CDL even admits he lies.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 57 reads
posted
5 / 26

"Nothing in the First Amendment guarantees a right to lie." -- The Ministry of Pravda

inicky46 61 Reviews 51 reads
posted
6 / 26

Fester is Goebbels, Jr.
Don't forget, Trump kept a book of Hitler's speeches in his night table.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 57 reads
posted
7 / 26

what a "dangerous lie" is?   She actually repeated twice that she wants to have government control over speech.    

 
Most of what I post I have heard on talk various radio stations,  Fox News, CNN or MSNBC.   I have found that Fox actually does a better job with "truth" than CNN or MSNBC, but I still watch the others to see what the lies du jour are from the Dems.  I could probably save some time by just waiting a few hours until one of the Dem posters here repeats the lies in posts on this board, but I enjoy the entertainment value of the Lib media talking heads melting down every day.  

RespectfulRobert 47 reads
posted
8 / 26

Fox got caught blatantly lying to their audience! They were telling the peeps j6 was a nothing burger but Hannity, Laura, Tucker, etc were texting Trump chief of staff in real time telling him Trump had to do something as he sat and watched the Republican hoard attack the Capitol to stop democracy! You're funny!

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 55 reads
posted
9 / 26

not NEWS REPORTERS, they are hosts of political opinion shows.  They are entitled to state their opinions even if later proven to be wrong.  "Dangerous Lies" are the ones that those purporting to be strict journalists at CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN and MSNBC engaged in on a daily basis.  If you want an example, Fox was the only station that called out the Russia Hoax.  These other outlets stuck with Democrat party line and ended up losing market share because of it.  Fox called it bullshit from the beginning and a sizeable number of Democrats switched to Fox for their nightly news.  The ratings of the others went way down (MSNBC was below 1,000,000 viewers) as a result of the "dangerous lies" spread by the MSM.  

inicky46 61 Reviews 58 reads
posted
10 / 26

As for Fox, its entire evening programming is ENTIRELY these  so-called "political opinion shows." And they are certainly entitled to state their opinions. They are even entitled to lie, to an extent. But if their lies damage people or businesses, as happened with Dominion, then they are liable. In this case to the tune of nearly $800 million. So if you want to respect the views of proven liars, go right ahead.
Oh, and there WAS no Russia hoax. Mueller proved the Russians tried to influence the 2016 election. Remember Don, Jr's "I love it" moment? The "it" he loved was collusion with Russia. Just because Barr The Bagman flushed the report and tried to say it exonerated Trump doesn't make that true.
As for ratings, all the proves is Fox viewer are so toxically stupid they LIKE being lied to.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 55 reads
posted
11 / 26

assume that is why you don't post it.  She said, "The problem is when they lie, we can't control it."  That sounds like censorship on a scale that violates the first Amendment to me.   Then later, she said again, "We can't control it."   They almost had it the way they wanted it until Musk bought Twitter.  Zuckerburg is still playing along with the Dem censorship, so is Google, but Musk is a free speech advocate, and that's the way he will run X.

inicky46 61 Reviews 51 reads
posted
12 / 26

I didn't post it because it was attached to the OP at the top of the thread. That's how I saw it. And how do you know the "we" she was talking about was the government? It wasn't. She was simply saying that people who own a platform have a responsibility for what is posted there.
As far as Musk, he isn't "running" X, he's ruining it. Musk and his backers have lost half the money they put into it. It's "a vaporization of wealth that had little parallel," says The Washington Post.
May I suggest you stop stepping on your own dick?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 52 reads
posted
13 / 26

their customers at the behest of the government is not a free speech infringement?   I don't see how you can impose a limitation on free speech to be ENFORCED by the platform unless the platform is going to accept civil liability for free-speech violations of its users.  If someone is posting something that they do not have a right to post under the 1st amendment, then it should be up to the government to impose a sanction, not the platform owner.    

 
Musk is a long-term investor.  Do you know how many years Tesla operated at a loss before making a profit?  This is a trick question, because Tesla would still be operating at a loss if not for the regulatory credits it receives for making electric cars.  First profitable year was 2020, but only due to the credits it received.  Net profit was about $700,000,000, which is not very much for an automaker.  Consequently, if Musk has to tinker with X for a few years before he makesa profit, I don't think he cares.  

inicky46 61 Reviews 54 reads
posted
14 / 26

The First Amendment is not unlimited. And libel laws exist irrespective of said Amendment. And what is wrong with expecting the owner of a private platform to behave responsibly? Do you think speech is free here on TER, for example? Obviously, the answer is no. It's a private platform with its own rules and we have mods to enforce that. And if you don't like it, you (not you personally) can go somewhere else to post. You distorting what Hillary said is permissible, even if it's wrong.
As for Musk ever making a profit from X, well, anything is possible. But he and his investors are $24 billion in the hole. With a B.

Hpygolky 214 Reviews 57 reads
posted
15 / 26

The media for ads supporting Floridas amendment 4, the abortion initiative.
So funny how the right screams “ Freedom of speech”, “My 1st amendment”“ bullshit  
The horror!!!

inicky46 61 Reviews 50 reads
posted
16 / 26

Could it be he's only for free speech when it's speech he approves of?
Well, Fester???

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 55 reads
posted
17 / 26

Elon is trying to make Trump feel better about being a lousy businessman by proving he's just as lousy.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2024/10/02/x-valuation-down-fidelity/75481287007/

followme 63 reads
posted
18 / 26

How the richest man in the world, Musk, is a lousy businessman.  

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/012715/5-richest-people-world.asp

 
You must be sniffing you own dead fish breath.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 54 reads
posted
19 / 26

and it's all relative.  24 billion is less than 15 percent of Musk's net worth.  I'm confident in saying that if you and I both lost 15% of our net worth, we would still be doing fine.  From what I know of Happy, he would probably be okay, too.  For guys like Robert, it might mean cutting back a little on some of the things he currently enjoys spending money on.  

 
Once you get to a certain multiple of Billions, like Musk has, 24 Billion is much like Monopoly money.  Whether he is up or down 24 Billion, it's not going to change his lifestyle one bit.  

inicky46 61 Reviews 59 reads
posted
20 / 26

I also never said anything about the loss changing Musk's lifestyle. And if you want to trivialize a $24 Billion loss, be my guest.

cks175 44 Reviews 43 reads
posted
21 / 26

If there really was Russian collusion, why didn’t Pelosi, Schiff and the rest of the “Russia! Russia! Russia!” gang impeach him for it? There’s only one answer. The special prosecutor found no evidence of collusion.

Nicky continually whines about the Barr Report, but that’s a red herring, as the Congressional investigators trying to develop an impeach case had access to the full Mueller report. They were not limited to the Barr summary.

inicky46 61 Reviews 54 reads
posted
22 / 26

When Congress decides to impeach a President they generally limit themselves to the most serious charges. They decided said charges were about trying to pressure the Ukrainian government to start a false inquiry into Biden. That does NOT mean no collusion with Russia took place.
"I love it."

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 51 reads
posted
23 / 26

which means to Musk, it's trivial, but to those less well off, it's not.  To you, a new Maserati may be trivial, but to a guy who has never driven anything better than a Ford focus, it's not.  

inicky46 61 Reviews 54 reads
posted
24 / 26

I never said I was buying a "new" Maserati. They are great cars, including a Ferrari-built motor, but they depreciate like Wiemar Papiermarks. I'll buy one two or three years old and let the original owner take the hit. That will happen in the Spring. Until then I'll stick with my Audi.
Claro?

impposter 49 Reviews 56 reads
posted
25 / 26

Mueller Report, Vol I: "While the report concludes that the investigation "did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities", investigators had an incomplete picture of what happened due in part to some communications that were encrypted, deleted, or not saved, as well as testimony that was false, incomplete, or declined. The report states that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion", and was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts. *****It also identified multiple links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies,***** about which ***several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations.***   *****Mueller later stated that his investigation's findings of Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".*****
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Mueller Report, Vol II: "The investigation intentionally took an approach that could not result in a judgment that Trump committed a crime. This decision was based on an Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinion that a sitting president is immune from criminal prosecution, and Mueller's belief that it would be unfair to accuse the president of a crime even without charging him because he would have no opportunity to clear his name in court; furthermore it would undermine Trump's ability to govern and preempt impeachment.  As such, the investigation "does not conclude that the President committed a crime"; *****however, "it also does not exonerate him",***** **with investigators not confident of Trump's innocence.** The report describes ten episodes where Trump may have ***obstructed justice*** while president and one before he was elected, noting that he privately tried to "control the investigation"
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Learn the difference between CONSPIRACY (a crime under the USC) and COLLUSION (not a crime under the USC). Mueller found plenty of evidence of collusion. Mueller did NOT exonerate Trump of conspiracy.

Posted By: cks175
Re: Stop making shit up. (If Only Nicky Would Follow His Own Advice)
If there really was Russian collusion, why didn’t Pelosi, Schiff and the rest of the “Russia! Russia! Russia!” gang impeach him for it? There’s only one answer. The special prosecutor found no evidence of collusion.  
   
 Nicky continually whines about the Barr Report, but that’s a red herring, as the Congressional investigators trying to develop an impeach case had access to the full Mueller report. They were not limited to the Barr summary.

inicky46 61 Reviews 60 reads
posted
26 / 26

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