Bribite wrote:

"That's rich!  So Kerry's panic driven drivel is the centerpiece of his campaign (this week)?  As a "contributor/volunteer" to the Kerry campaign, did you even what the Dem Convention?  Vietnam was all Kerry talked about after the 20 minute fantasy produced by  Steven Spielberg.  And the never to be forgotten request by John Edwards to "ask the people who served with him" brain storm!"

Zin's response:
Kerry seems to have flattened the Bush "bounce" with what he's done this month.  That's some "panic."  

It always made sense to contrast Kerry's military service in Vietnam to Bush's, and contrast his protest afterward to Bush's ignominous silence and vacuousness, which his voters have somehow equated to patriotism compared to Kerry.  

I really do think objections to Kerry come down to this: he had a plan early on, therefore he is evil and dangerous.  Yellow Belly was driftwood, therefore, harmless and unoffensive.  A bigger mistake in stupidity has never been made.    

Bribite wrote:
"I wonder how you reacted to the fact the Terry McAuliffe was using the same language as the 60 Minute hit piece 11 hours before its airing?  Just coincidence?  Or maybe, just maybe McAuliffe got a little preview, or writer credit!"  

Zin's response:
You've deflated your own argument, quenched your own fire.  Yes, it could be that she got a preview.  End of story.  Parallel language proves nothing at all.  Make me work at least.  

From Bribite:
"Or CBS's ability to gain an DNC audience for the malcontent/mental patient who brought the "memo's" to CBS.  The DNC at a minimum is neck deep in this, and it may reach all the way to Kerry himself."

Zin's response:
So beside's that shady McAuliffe preview, we have your point that the that a democratic audience watched it (if I'm translating correctly) and your declaration that this means the DNC is neck deep in this, and it must reach to Kerry itself.

Are you holding back your "real" evidence, Bribite?  This sounds about as strong as the evidence that Iraq had WMD's.  Then, as now, I kept on waiting for the "real" evidence.  Also, then I hoped that the Bush-ters had some top secret evidence that they wouldn't tell us about.  That hope was dashed.  I don't even have that hope with you.  You're just insane if you think you've given evidence for anything. It does "speak volumes" (see below) as to why you follow Bush now.        

Bribite said:
"As for Rove, if cows had wings...!  [Why is it that unlikely?--Zin]  However, even if it did happen the way your imagination has sorted it out, it still speaks volumes about Dan Rather's rush to discredit a sitting President just prior to an election.  And it has given light to his other one sided hit pieces in the past, destroyed his credibility and his employers."

Zin answers:
You're letting your joy about Dan Rather's downfall obscure any chance of clear thought.  This is exactly why hatred and politics are a bad mix.    

Maybe this link will help.  

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Zin's response:
Kerry seems to have flattened the Bush "bounce" with what he's done this month.  That's some "panic."  

Bribites response:  What ?  You're dreaming!

Zin:  "I really do think objections to Kerry come down to this: he had a plan early on"

Bribite:  Zin, Kerry has held all quadrants of this debate at one point or the other, you can't know what your candidate thinks about anything, much less what he believes or if he has the capacity to believe in anything!  He was for military action against Saddam, then against it, then for it, then against it - what the fuck does he stand on?  Where is the fucking plan?  It's nothing more than "un"planned panic!

Zin:  "Yes, it could be that she got a preview."  

Bribite:  Or that the memo's came from him directly!  Either way it suggests some collusion with CBS!

Zini:  "Are you holding back your "real" evidence,"

Bribite?  As if you have a modicum of evidence to imply Rove in those memos!   I'm starting to think you may have been an O.J. Simpson juror!    

Zin:  "You're letting your joy about Dan Rather's downfall obscure any chance of clear thought."

Bribite:  I have always "clearly" thought of Dan Rather as a partisan puke.  I am enjoying a warm fuzzy over his self detonation, and for all your vitriol in regards to Bush, your lecturing anybody about hate is hysterical!

P.S.  What do you think about Kerry's spray on tan?  I think its a little on the orange side.

(I, myself, have had one shot in the last year.  I intend to share a bottle of good wine with a beautiful, intelligent tryster soon. If I go to AA and miss that, I'm a loser.)  

Zin's response:
"Kerry seems to have flattened the Bush "bounce" with what he's done this month.  That's some 'panic.'"  

"Bribites response:  What ?  You're dreaming!"

Zin back to Bribe:

Not at all: 47.9-46.3 according to Rasmussen on September 28.  The Economist 9/20-22: Kerry leads 46-45.  American Research Group: September 7-21: Bush leads 47-46.  The only polls that show Bush retaining his bump appear to be the conservative ones: Fox, The Rant, and of course, that old Nixon supporter, Gallup.  Believers in conservative optimism, all of them.  They will speak no evil.  Given that Bush leads by double-digits in so many southern states, how could that translate into a lot of electoral votes?

Zin:  "I really do think objections to Kerry come down to this: he had a plan early on"

Bribite:  "Zin, Kerry has held all quadrants of this debate at one point or the other, you can't know what your candidate thinks about anything, much less what he believes or if he has the capacity to believe in anything!  He was for military action against Saddam, then against it, then for it, then against it - what the fuck does he stand on?  Where is the fucking plan?  It's nothing more than "un"planned panic!"

Zin back to Bribite:

You've jumped tracks and switched subjects.  I'm talking about his "life-plan" here, that the Swift-Buck Veterans accuse him of always having had his eye on the presidency.  Unlike Bush who was driftwood at the time Kerry knew what he wanted.  

But since you've brought it up, flexibility and even some wavering is better than being consistently wrong.  That's the only thing Bush has to boast about.  Wrong, stupid and proud of it.  

Zin:  "Yes, it could be that he got a preview."  

Bribite:  Or that the memo's came from him directly!  Either way it suggests some collusion with CBS!

Zin back to Bribite:

A preview suggests only that he knew somebody.  Or somebody handed Mcauliffe a transcript?  Briefed him?  None of that suggests that McAuliffe was behind anything.  Indeed, a prosecutor tells that to a jury and gets laughed out of court.  


Zini:  "Are you holding back your "real" evidence,"

Bribite?  As if you have a modicum of evidence to imply Rove in those memos!   I'm starting to think you may have been an O.J. Simpson juror!  

Zin back to Bribite:

Never did I say Rove **was** behind it, Bribite, unlike you, who has declared that the Kerry campaign **is** behind it.  I mentioned it to you only as a possibility, an alternate to your fantasy, spoil-sport that I am.  You have yet to stop enjoying your scenario long enough to say why mine is any less likely, other than the fact that you'd enjoy it far less.  

I've never waxed orgasmically about how Bush was going to win only 10 states when Rove is caught, or how the his career will end the way it began. I won't, so I'm not obligated to give you stronger evidence.  You, on the other hand, are presenting us with nothing but your masturbation fantasy on the matter.  You can't seem to restrain your boasting, even though you have **no evidence.**  

Zin:  "You're letting your joy about Dan Rather's downfall obscure any chance of clear thought."

Bribite:  "I have always "clearly" thought of Dan Rather as a partisan puke.  I am enjoying a warm fuzzy over his self detonation, and for all your vitriol in regards to Bush, your lecturing anybody about hate is hysterical!"

Zin responds:

Hate?  Because I believe he ought to retire on a mere presidential pension, and go back to managing the Texas Rangers?

I've shamed him: called him Yellow Belly because he isn't brave, I've said he's not bright, and put that in vivid terms, because it seems to be the only way his base will understand it. I think  furthermore, he's not the moral leader he's purported to be, and as a politician, he's the most primative sort.  

And he's neither profound nor articulate.  Any argument with that?

None of that is hatred.  If Bush loses my main response will be relief.


Bribite:
"P.S.  What do you think about Kerry's spray on tan?  I think its a little on the orange side."

Zin responds:

I haven't seen it, Bribite.  I don't watch TV, remember?  I save my visual capacities for providers.  Any visual stimulation I got from Kerry would be a waste.  

So, were you expecting more from looking at Kerry?

/Zin

Dude- In a world where the GOP imagines they are saving us all, that Iraq was responsible for 9/11, that 150,000 dudes could provide security for a large country, that we are somehow safer now than we were on 9/10, that their "leader" has a clue, and that they are good for the economy, ya simply can't say they have no imagination.  Right now, they make Jules Verne look like a piker!

Sully, don't mean to interfere when you're on a roll, but could you please not use the name of that great visionary, Jules Verne, in the same sentence with the GOP?

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The Republican fantasy: strategy doesn't matter, as long as you believe and never waver, and keep doing what you're doing, or do what people have always done, things will work out. Also, that this will overcome even your stupidest actions.

This is a fantasy, Sully, but its also absolution for having no imagination.  

/Zin

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