George Bush and Mitt Romney are often at the opposite end of the political spectrum than I am.  Historically, they have, consistently held dear, most of the same "policies" republicans have convinced Trumpty dumpty to embrace.

 
But here is a perfect example of two decent human beings, standing up against immoral ineptitude and blatantly anemic leadership.  Apparently, values, ethics and the failure to put country above self, are enough for them to take a stand.

 
Like John McCain before them, I take my hat off to them, and respect them for their decency, even if we disagree on many political issues.

Dubya and Mitt have been Trump haters for years. Their opposition to President Orangutan is no surprise and won't convince his supporters to wake the fuck up.

Did I just read that George Bush was a "decent human being?????"  

 
He had VALUES??? AND ETHICS?????????????????

 
George W Bush???? THAT Bush? Dubbya? HIM????????????????????

 
Wasn't he a war criminal? Wasn't he a fascist? A Nazi?...like yesterday with libs? LOL

 
Whew!

far right, radical extremists who make up Trumpty dumpty's base won't budge.  But there must be more than enough, sane, respect worthy, republicans, who value decency and the ability to put the good of nation, above one's own selfish needs.

 
Call me naive, but I am leaning towards the inherent decency in the majority of Americans.  You can call me "overly optimistic," or "right on point," after November.

But I sure hope you're right. And you may well be. Trump's disastrous performance since January -- well, even MORE disastrous -- has eroded some of his support. So there's at least a chance his continued flailing will erode it a bit more.

All you have to do to become a "decent human being" is to say the words (with feeling of course) FUCK TRUMP!!!

 
John McCain was HATED by the left, until he started opposing Trump and the more he came out against Trump the bigger hero he became to the left. Why should we be surprised that two more members of the Establishment who smell a little blood in the water with a full blown race war going on wouldn't take that opportunity to get a little revenge on Trump or that the left would lionize them despite their previous hatred of them?  

 
You know the old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

 
BTW I don't really blame George Bush for hating Donald Trump, after all Trump ass raped his little brother on national tv and essentially ended his political career in a single night. Wouldn't you be pissed if someone did your little brother that way?

But that was one helluva resurrection he tried to get past us! Maybe daddy and mommy Bush should have name GB "Lazarus" instead? LOL

 
Btw, who destroyed whom more quickly? Trump annihilating "low energy" Jeb or Pocahontas scalping Mini Mike?

 
Pretty close, right?

disagree on what it takes to be a decent human being.  In a prior post, have already outlined the behaviors, good leaders, very naturally exhibit, which Trumpty dumpty has proven incapable of, even if he were to try his best (which he has never even attempted).  Not to mention, Trumpty dumpty's penchant, for lying, insulting, and defacing the intentions of the framers of our constitution.  

 
Respectfully, your use of the word "HATED" is a disingenuous attempt to distract from the issue at hand.  But since you mentioned it, John McCain is a perfect example of a person, whose political leanings, I may disagree with, yet is, someone who I can easily respect.  AND, unlike Trumpty dumpty, political differences aside, John McCain WAS an honorable man who sacrificed much for our country.  Disagreeing with the political positions of a politician is not even close to HATING that person.

 
I again realize, this IS a fuck board.  Many post, only to entertain themselves, with little or no regard for reality.   But please be honest with yourself.   Since I have participated in this forum, you have attempted to deflect with this tactic more than once.  I simply do NOT see it.

 
Furthermore, GaGa you have proven articulate and intelligent.  There is no way even you believe, the only reason George Bush does NOT support Trumpty dumpty, is because his brother was not the choice of the republican party for president in our last presidential election.  Clearly empty rhetoric.

 
So, I am happy for you.  Through one more of your posts, you managed to entertain yourself.  But you have not earned an "A" for objectively and for accurately addressing my OP.  Should you ever decide to address, the specific points, which we should all demand from our presidents, like; the traits of good leaders, behaving with dignity and with the natural inclination to put the good of our nation above his/her own personal interests, then I will consider regrading your reply, as I would consider giving one of my students a "do-over."

But BOTH of them were most definitely hated by the left. There are still hundreds if not thousands of posts right here on this very board that prove my point.  

 
And of course watching his brother get ass-raped isn't the only reason Bush doesn't "support" Trump. Bush is part of the establishment who have NEVER supported Trump, but ass raping his brother is almost certainly the reason he HATES him and I don't use that word likely, even the saintly Barbara Bush HATED Trump for what he did to her baby boy.

here as a reference point.  But having said that, you have used the "HATE" tactic more than once to cloud an issue and when you do, one gets the impression, you are screaming at your computer monitor, as you post your reply.

and the vitriol where it came to both John McCain and George Bush not to mention Donald Trump can only be described as "hate" I am hardly screaming my monitor, unlike what the likes of Laffy, et al are prone to do, I am simply pointing out a fact. The posts are all still there. Just check out a few random threads from 12 years ago if you doubt me, or virtually any thread today as most all of them have to do with Trump at some level and if how you and your ilk feel about Donald Trump can't be described as "hate" I honestly don't what else you can call it.

 
Notice I did not say that the level of animus against Mitt Romney was the same as it was against either Bush or McCain, Romney got the usual amount of name calling etc that comes with the territory.

In his reply to you, he is the one who first used the word "hate" in this thread, not me.

Are you now going to accuse Inicky of "screaming" at his computer monitor? If you are really as fair minded as you claim to be of course. Or of course you could just admit to have just "a bit" of left wing bias, we won't hold that against you too much especially since it's the truth.

serious, honest reply.  But still do NOT get it.  Bush made one of the most terrible miscalculations of decades, which led to the current state of affairs in Iraq.  He is not the first president to make a mistake, definitely not be the last.  But it is common knowledge the monumental impact of his blunder is still being felt by men and women who are serving in the middle east, even today, after the death and maiming of tens of thousands.

 
As far as McCain goes, am honestly, unable to categorize any disappointment by myself or anyone who shares my political leanings, as "hate."  Can only remember McCain's behavior reflecting the highest standards of decency and model leadership.  Rather than pander to blind, hateful politics, even to his own detriment, McCain, rightfully set the record straight that Obama was NOT a Muslim (or was it "Arab?') but was an honest, decent American who did not share McCain's political beliefs.

 
If you are limiting your audience to TER posters, you have me at a disadvantage as my time here does not equal yours.

 
But another thing, while no one, could ever read Barbara Bush's mind, would it be that wrong, if she hated Trumpty dumpty's hate filled, rhetoric, the way he scammed many out of their hard earned, life's savings, or Trumpty dumpty's blatant disregard for any form of decency?  Would it be wrong of Barbara Bush, to hate Charles Manson, or Adolph Hitler for their barbaric acts?

 
As far as I am concerned, though, since you were so honest, I will be, as well.  I do not hate Trumpty dumpty.  I am embarrassed and ashamed we could ever have a president, who could be such a prolific liar, consistently behave in such a disgusting manner, and be so inept at so many things, he willingly engages in even more disgusting behavior to shirk the accountability he clearly owes the American people.

Which is why in this context I try to limit my statements to things people have said right here that I can prove.  

 
That said, you do seem to concede that the Bushes do indeed HATE Donald Trump. Around here I am grateful for any concessions on any issue. lol

 
BTW I do disagree about Bush, yes he miscalculated just how "easy" invading Iraq would be, but by the time he left office he had gotten it under control. Obama made an even bigger miscalculation by leaving a power vacuum by pulling our troops out of there which in turn created what we know as ISIS and gave rise to Iran increased influence in the region. We can argue all day about whether we should have ever gone "into" Iraq, I think it's crystal clear today that "leaving" Iraq was a HUGE mistake.

you threw it out there, I will bite.  Could Nick be giving you a dose of your own medicine?  I remember when I was doing the same.

 
Again, while I do not come close to equaling your tenure here, I do not recall Nick's posts being this "forceful."  Makes me lean even more on the side of Nick "responding in kind."

 
Now if you mention Laffy, have a feeling that somehow, Laffy expresses himself in much the same way as many New Yorkers who I grew up with and live with.  Laffy has a tendency to express himself in a very colorful way.  But again, lacking your tenure, will go out on a limb and guess some of this may partly due to Laffy "responding in kind"  In either case, Laffy's posts consistently make sense, are grounded in fact, and often reveal things to me, that I may not have previously known.

 
Laffy has called me out and sent me an incendiary PM or two but I never feel insulted by Laffy.  Have a pretty good idea where he is coming from.

And what's changed? Back then I made it crystal clear I felt Laffy was FAR more right than wrong and that I mainly objected to his heated level of discourse. NOW we have a destructive, renegade President who has turned out to be even WORSE than our darkest fears. So I'm done with him and people who enable him.  

and his comments were most definitely not directed at me. They were directed at you. I had NOTHING to do with it at the time. Nice deflection though.  

 
So let's start this over, why is it ok for Nick to talk about people "hating" Trump, but somehow it's incendiary when I use the same word later in the same thread?

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And recently. People who were friends with Nick for a decade or longer are no longer friends with him.  

 
All of us are on one side. Nick on the other. And then he was forced to buddy up with Laffy.  

 
What does that tell you?

They said George Bush Jr was "worse than Hitler."  That's an actual quote repeated by liberals everywhere.  (Oddly, they said Trump was "literally Hitler", another actual liberal quote -- which means Bush was worse than Trump -- if liberals could ever come up with coherent thoughts.)
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Bush and Colin Powell were said to be war criminals -- at least up until yesterday.   Also they said it's breaking news that Colin Powell won't vote for Trump. How is that news?  He endorse Obama and Hillary against McCain, Romney and Trump.

I don’t like seeing Hitler references to either Democrats or Republicans. They are sick exaggerations that erase the horror of the Holocaust.

a military friend, who attended one of the service academies, shared what he learned in a military history and strategy seminar.  It opened my eyes.

 
Not true, and NOT in a partisan way.  This is where you and I differ.  The service academies' take on this is; we have centuries of history to prove, that even though Sadaam was the purist form of evil, without him to balance other evil forces in that region, a vacuum would be created which would lead to turmoil, lawlessness, terrorism, and instability for decades to come.  This principle was being taught long before ANY conflict there.

 
Further, as a matter of historical record and revealed in the same case study, this is why the elder Bush, stopped at Kuwait and followed the recommendations of his military leaders, not to invade in 1990.  Thirteen years later the same history that influenced the first Bush, still applied to the situation faced by the younger Bush, per this course.  We can debate about intel and the younger Bush's true motivation, but if we are going to be factual and honest, the younger Bush left our country a mess, that ANY president would have found complicated at best.

 
Unless we commit to leaving a significant number of military men and women in that region indefinitely and are ok with the loss of life/maiming of our military men/women, there must be a point when we completely pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan for we will never solve the dilemma of this region.  A better military strategy, would have been, NOT to go in there to begin with.  The first Bush accomplished what our country needed done.  The second Bush, created the power vacuum by destroying the very (although evil) balance that created more stability than we may ever again see in our lifetimes.

 
Don't trust me, GaGa, find someone who has attended a military academy, a staff or war college and ask them what is being taught.  Even if that person is devoutly conservative, if he/she is honest they will tell you the same thing.  Forget about partisan politics, history clearly reveals when we knew invading Iraq would lead to the vacuum that has left us with this dilemma

Do you mean the three, I so appropriately call the "crew?"

 
On count one, why would Nick want to be friends with any of the "crew?"

 
On count two, isn't this a fuck board, hosted on the Internet?  Even those who share the same perspective on an issue or two, are you equating that to being friends?

 
Don't worry, Jack.  I posted this to give you cover and allow you time to edit your post.

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Funny how Nick doesn't mention ALL the friends he lost. JUST mentions me and GaG. He cherry picked.  

 
And two Liberal posters who post here from time to time specifically hit me up and asked what was wrong with Nick.

 
That's FIVE people right there.

 
And he is lying his ass off. The group kicked HIM out. And it had nothing to do with politics. Its had everything to do with dicrsepcting EVERY person in the group to the point everyone said enough.

 
Nick knows that the truth and he will never admit it.

hijack your post, but guess who endorsed Joe Biden for president?  You guessed it Colin Powell.

 
AND Lester, Colin Powell was appointed Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under the first Bush, and the Secretary of State under the second Bush.

 
FYI, "almost" ALL generals, while not allowed to publicly express their political leanings while in the military, end up being republicans.

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Notice even he isn't arguing the point. But keep WK for him. That tells me how badly he is getting crushed.

 
And did you see Laffy admit my pm was cordial? LOL

 
Truth starting to bleed out here.

A Bush spokesperson has denied Bush said anything one way or another about the next election, saying he has retired from politics.  
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Fake news.

Colin Powell, as I mentioned endorsed Obama twice and Hillary.  

Hack lies again. Also, after wining about PMs he's now revealing info about a private email group. And one that he was only rarely a part of. So he got to FIVE by counting Weasel 1, Weasel 2 and one more, plus two imaginary Liberal friends. Wow, that's weak.
I also never said I'd cut anybody off, we just stopped communicating. I was FINE with that. Relieved actually. Because I got tired as hell of them doing EXACTLY what they've been doing here today. And I mean EXACTLY. Throwing up stupid righty arguments, declaring victory and flouncing off. GOD it was tedious. And I'M "disrespectful?" This is the most gaping lie of all. It's actually laughable.
But it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hack is a pathological liar even bigger than Tommy Flanagan.

I dealt with that above and stuffed it down your throat. Oh, and by all means declare victory AGAIN before rushing home to sob yourself to sleep.
Hack's corpse starting to bleed out here.

yet.  Proof positive, more than one republican was able to see the light.  Your turn?