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Just wanted to pile on the the Iraq discussion here. Long post, please excuse.
One thing that worries me in a general sense is that everyone--across the spectrum--tends to talk past the other side. It's way too much like the late 60's...a screaming match versus a true debate. And I was there as a budding journalist. I was in the middle of that, I hoped we'd never be there again, but lo and behold, we are. So my perspective here is simply to try to add a nuanced view....since things hardly EVER fall into black-and-white. It may piss everyone off, who knows.

First, my bias is liberal. The current Iraq policy and world political view from the White House is completely antithetical to my view. THAT BEING SAID...THAT BEING SAID (CAPS DELIBERATE, PLEASE HOLD THE FLAME MAIL)...is that I HOPE the president's policy succeeds. I really, really do, for three primary reasons:

1. It's the policy we have. Bush and his neocon advisors are not going to change it. So it's the policy we are going with.
2. At a philosophical level, I think the idea of introducing participatory government and some form of open elections and democracy into the Arab world is a good thing. These are in the main theocracies and dictatorships that are antithetical to the broader Western tradition of secular, representative government, so democracy as a concept is good. I worry about implemenation and the Law of Unintended Consequences, but the core idea is a good one.
3. The death of Arafat gives a little opening for movement towards reducing conflict around Palestine and Israel. This is THE EASY point that the Islamic radicals and terrorists pick on...it's issue #1. Arafat was an obstacle to peace..a thug and totally corrupt. Abbas is no huge friend of the West but I believe he is less dogmatic and willing to deal. Anything we can do to get the peace process moving there NOW is good. That window will close, beleive me. Abbas will only have so much control over Hezbollah, and Sharon will only hold back so long.

NOW....here's why I am scared sh..less that this policy will fail and leave us all in deep weeds:

1. Americans are never bound by history but we sure don't READ it. Britain colonized Iraq in 1925...it took less than two years for civil war and insurgency to break out. It happened to us in less than 6 months. These things don't happen out of the blue. There's a pattern here..Iraq, like many colonies, was a hodge-podge of ethnic and religious groups. Imagine that somebody came to the U.S. and said, "okay, we're partitioning the Western U.S. into a new nation--one-third Canada, one-third U.S., one-third Mexico." How would we react to it? That's pretty much what you have in Iraq with Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds.
2. The U.S. ALWAYS makes the foreign policy mistake of assuming that "the friend of my enemy is my friend." We did this around Communism--we'd put up with any tin-horn dictator, as long as they agreed to coorpate with the U.S. in fighting Communists. Batista, Somoza, Noriega, the Shah of Iran. In the name of fighting Communism we were aligned with some pretty bad dudes who did NOT win the hearts and minds of their countrymen. Were the Iraqis happy to see Saddam go away? You bet. Do they want the U.S. out of their country right now? You bet. And I even heard a report from Seymour Hersch (who conservatives hate but who has yet to be proven factually wrong in what he's written, from the Killing Fields of Cambodia up to today) that the administration is thinking about bringing back the son of the Shah for Iran, if we topple the current theocracy. Didn't they learn the first time? The Shah was HATED by all but a few who benefitted from his rule. So we've done this again in Iraq with Chalabi and others...we just keep backing people because they are conversative, they oppose the radicals and terrorists, and we assume that our support of them gives them political cover and legitmacy in their own countries. Ain't happening.
3. There's a fundamental process at work here that both the U.S. and the Al-Qaeda world are guilty of--demonization. It's the easy way to explain your enemy--they are infidels, the devil, evil, etc. And it works, in terms of whipping up a frenzy against the enemy. But that's just a technique. PEOPLE LEARN BEHAVIORS AND ADOPT OPINIONS OVER TIME.....they are not born inherently evil. Is Salman Rushdie evil? Is Abbu Abbas evil? No, because they are "good" Muslims. Well, the current nexus of radical Islam and terrorist activity did not spring up out of thin air. I do not have the citation in front of me (but I can get it if someone really doesn't believe me here) but I saw some startling numbers from author Laurie Garrett (Newsday) about world wealth distribution. The concentration of wealth in the developed world, primarily found in the U.S., is so staggeringly canted toward about 3% of the ENTIRE world's population, that it's no wonder that so many people in the world envy, resent and hate us. This concentration of wealth is unprecedented in any recorded history. I am NO COMMUNIST. I do not advocate a total world wealth redistribution. But just think from the perspective of MOST of the people of the world, a great number of whom are Muslim. We worry about terrorist attacks--most people worry about just getting food to eat and fighting off disease, or survivingn ethnic/religious conflicts to live another day.

All of this is a nasty, wicked witch's brew. It requires a willingness to reign in Israel a bit (a political Third rail in American politics); play sincerely to the Palestinians on the non-terror issues like jobs, health, and housing; balance off the deep global religious divide between Sunnis and Shiites; keep the Kurds happy but to independent, because Turkey may take precipitous action since they have a deep resentement of the Kurds; etc. etc. etc.

I just think that the Bushies do not have any sense of how to plan for these nuances and deal with them. Back to Unintended Consequences...if we truly believe in democracy, and the Arab states vote in theocracies which provide encouragement and support to Al-Qaeda, what do we do? Is that not the will of the people of a sovereign state? That's what we have in Iran. Remember, they have had elections that have been validated as fair, and the moderates have lost power to the rigid Muslim theocrats. This is how convoluted and nasty it can get. And if Seymour Hersh is to be believed, and again he is a THOROUGH reporter,whatever you think of his politics, the covert teams are already working in Iran....adding that to the mix is just really asking for it.

And I am scared to death that the Bush administration is completey unequipped intellectually and philosophically to deal with this successfully. Thus handing our soldiers, ourselves, and our heirs a flaming sack of you-know-what.

OK, Rant over. Fire away.

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Thanks for a nicely written post. I agree with your points about fostering participatory government and representative democracy in oppressed countries. I also agree with your statements about Abbas and the Palestinian issue. Here’s where I disagree:

1. This is not 1925, we are not Britain, we are not seeking to establish a colony. Setting aside the argument for, or against, invading Iraq; The purpose from the very beginning has been to remove Saddam, set-up an interim government and help the Iraqis establish a representative democracy.
http://www.ieciraq.org/english.html
http://www.friendsofdemocracy.info/

The insurgents fighting in Iraq today are former members of the Baathist regime, and religious fanatics who have declared war on the Iraqis themselves, not just the US. They are not freedom fighters, they are murderers who target and kill Iraqi civilians in an effort to stop the democratic process, not just to oust an occupying power. Zarqawi said it best himself: “We have declared a fierce war on this evil principle of democracy and those who follow this wrong ideology, anyone who tries to help set up this system is part of it”. They are enemies of the Iraqi people.

2. Son of the Shaw? That is wild speculation at best. As far as accuracy, Hersch’s entire story on Abu Ghraib was built around pictures handed to Hersh by Gary Myers, his friend from the My-Lai court martial who was coincidentally representing SSG Ivan Frederick, the highest ranking individual charged with torturing prisoners at Abu Ghraib, immediately after the preliminary hearing in which they were released to the defense. The story he built was around Fredericks statements and was not accurate. Hersch may be half right about LRS teams being dispatched into Iran, but his reporting is driven by ideology and more often than not, it’s  inaccurate and speculative. Finally, Iraq will not be governed by a U.S. installed puppet. Hopefully, they will be governed by a freely elected, secular government

3. Al-Qaeda should be demonized. No amount of moral equivilancy can deny the reality of their actions against innocents and non-combatants. Hacking through the necks of innocent civilians with a combat knife is murderous brutality in the name of a fanatical corrupt cause. Shooting Iraqi election workers in the head and leaving the bodies in the street is not an act of noble resistance. The torture rooms found in Fallujah were not set up as recruiting stations for Iraqis wishing to participate in the democratic process. Do I really need to add more to this? Al-Qaeda’s goal is not justice and equality for the down-trodden. It’s stated goal is total and complete submission to a fanatical view of Islam.

I do agree with your paragraph about a witch’s brew. But I take issue with this sentence: “And I am scared to death that the Bush administration is completey unequipped intellectually and philosophically to deal with this successfully.” -  Just because someone does not share your views and opinions, it does not mean that they are intellectually and philosophically unequipped to deal with the difficult issues we all face. Regardless of your politics, there is no denial that Bush has surrounded himself with extremely intelligent and experienced people. Using the “they’re not smart enough” argument is cheap and intellectually dishonest. Finally, calling Iran’s elections “validated and fair” is quite a stretch of logic.

Once again, thanks for the thoughtful post.

RLTW


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