I died laughing at David Shuster on MSNBC a minute ago . He said Barack will put this behind him today and sound Presidential and it will not be brought back up again in the general since MAC said he would not bring the issue up
I live in SC and when Bush spoke at Bob Jones the press ate him alive, and MAC responded with a Catholic voter alert in SC and Michigan
Shuster is one naive idiot .MAC might focus on the judgement factor but to think that this issue will never be brought up again is nuts !

The press will say his nuanced speech ,which probably will say we need to move ahead and I am wanting to unite races blah ... a homerun I bet. Last nite he said on PBS that it was a carticuture of Wright .That ain't gonna cut it with average people cause you cannot discount 20 years.
But Obama with this one speech will stop it like Shuster says

The Main Stream Media and journalist has intelligence. They are just step up from shock jocks on Radio and TV.

MAC may not bring it up.

What about the 529 groups they can bring up anything, spent money without limits on Radio and TV ads.

Both BHO and Shuster are MORONS.

He says we have a "tragic history" in this country and his wife claims she has found in the success of his snake oil sales a reason to finally be proud of this country. Damn'd that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. I predict that the "tragedy" in this country will come to light this fall. One of three things are going to happen, Osama gets the boot by Hildabeast and all hell breaks loose; Osama gets the boot from McCain and all hell breaks loose; or Obama sells his snake oil and the whole country gets the boot and all hell breaks loose. It is pretty obvious that the race war will be on in full swing in spite of Osama"s claim that it can only be a one sided fight. It will be Hussein and insane.

The Hildabeast will steal the nomination from the snake oil salesman, his supporters will boycott the election, and McCain slides in without having to sell his soul to the far right.

A more likely scenario is Obama wins the nomination by a nose, the Hildabeast cries foul throwing the Democratic party into further disarry allowing McCain squeak out a victory by the closest of margins in November. Naturally the dems claim election fraud and we spend another four years listening to them cry about how another election was stolen from them.

Everybody knows this election was a supposed to be a cakewalk for the Democrats, it was their's to lose. Well it already looks like they've lost it, the only question is HOW they are going to fuck it up, not IF they are going to fuck it up.

As I've stated before, "The Democrats are too stupid to run anything."

although I'm not sure I'd call  Bush particularly smart, and even if Nixon was called smart, it didn't keep him from massive fuckups.   (Of course, neither Clinton nor FDR were smart enough to let well enough alone.)

I guess it's like you say, evil-doers running us to hell is better - well, at least more exciting - than bumblers just fooling around.   After all, we're paying a lot for these guys to entertain us, and it should at least be fatal, or we should get our money back.

George, you might want to think about your idea that evil is better than stupid.   Is that your criteria for a GF?   You sound like one seriously masochistic fellow to me.

IMHO Both Clinton and Obama are more evil than McCain, that coupled with the act that I consider Obama competley inept makes my decision easy.

Iraq goes on forever, the economy continues to sink (McCain has admitted he knows little about the economy), the Supreme Court would be sent back to the dark ages (assuming McCain makes an appointment to the court)...

Just because McCain was a POW, that doensn't make him presidential material...

I guess McCain wins the all important & amazingly stupid trait of "being the president you could have a beer with"  - I've never seen a more UNQUALIFIED person for president than John "W" McCain.....

Obama and Clinton both evil and stupid, after defining those as being opposite.


Really, you need to check your brain oil level when you start arguing that evil is better than stupid.

Just because the Hildabeast was first lady doesn't make her qualified, and just becase Obama was...What exactly was Obama, besides black? He has no accomplishments other that the color of his skin.

into the paper bag  -

I never defined the two as being opposite, but I really love the irony of being accused of arguing with myself by JackO of all people.

Even you have to admit, that's just too funny.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120579535818243439.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

Bargainers make the subliminal promise to whites not to shame them with America's history of racism, on the condition that they will not hold the bargainer's race against him. And whites love this bargain -- and feel affection for the bargainer -- because it gives them racial innocence in a society where whites live under constant threat of being stigmatized as racist. So the bargainer presents himself as an opportunity for whites to experience racial innocence.

Thus, nothing could be more dangerous to Mr. Obama's political aspirations than the revelation that he, the son of a white woman, sat Sunday after Sunday -- for 20 years -- in an Afrocentric, black nationalist church in which his own mother, not to mention other whites, could never feel comfortable. His pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is a challenger who goes far past Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson in his anti-American outrage ("God damn America").



And yet, in the end, Barack Obama's candidacy is not qualitatively different from Al Sharpton's or Jesse Jackson's. Like these more irascible of his forbearers, Mr. Obama's run at the presidency is based more on the manipulation of white guilt than on substance. Messrs. Sharpton and Jackson were "challengers," not bargainers. They intimidated whites and demanded, in the name of historical justice, that they be brought forward. Mr. Obama flatters whites, grants them racial innocence, and hopes to ascend on the back of their gratitude. Two sides of the same coin.




-- Modified on 3/18/2008 9:10:46 AM

If that was the measuring point, then the 2 senators from Hawaii (Akaka, & Inouye) should be the ticket, as they have about a total of 85 years experience in the senate.....

What exactly has he accomplished since he's been there? If you want to use the arguement that he hasn't fucked anything up yet, you could use that same arguement in support of JackO for POTUS. He hasn't fucked anything up in Washington either. Not that we know of at least. lol

Even more to the point, what has Obama done period? Has he ever run anything? created jobs? Been the CEO of anything? Sposored any legislation?

Let's face it. His qualifications consist of his skin color and his ability to speak well to the masses. Even the masses, dumbed down as they are will eventually want at least some substance.

Read my lips:  the best qualifications in the ENTIRE FIELD are negative - ie, haven't fucked up very much  - yet.

After 8 years of the GOP's wet dreams, that's the best there is, buddy.  

If you want to imagine what another hundred years of Iraq is going to do for us, I suppose you can vote for McCain and hope to find out.

I can think of another:  Lincoln was a one-term congressman when he was elected.

Damn'd, we have finally found the true standard to be qualified to be President, be a one term Congressman, nothing else will do. Thanks for simplifying things.

Actually, the Beagle did not sink, and nobody said anything about people being overqualified.

But you knew that.  Thanks for obfusticating things up.

hey, and don't forget Ronald Wilson reagan as loong as we're pondering unqualifieds  -- but yeah, i'd love to sit down with him and guzzle through a six-pack.

Shelby Steel has been making a variation of that argument for close to 20 years.  It ain't a bad one, but I think Steele vastly oversetimates the amount of guilt felt by most whites over the collective plight of African-Americans in our society.  To me, i'm guessing that most of the whites to whom this argument/bargain would appeal are pretty much the same whites inclined to look favorably upon Senator Obama in the first place.  It appeals to me in the abstract, but emotionaly and viscerally i know there's something wrong with it and the situation Steel outlines.

I might be wrong, and this could be a reflection of my own poisonous cynicism, but I'm thinking most whites neither expect nor desire any form of absolution from any African-American fellow citizen.  We got problems of our own, we can't carry the burden of every mistake made in the course of this country's history.  Hey, these fellows might think, MLK's birthday is a national holiday,and we got Black History Month every February, so we done our bit and the accounts are balanced and cleared.

It occurs to me suddenly, that in his own way, Steele is making the same conceptual argument he appears to decry:  he, an African-American intellectual [and a heck of a good writer] lets White America off the hook by exposing the fradulent charges of rascism levelled by many African-American spokespersons, and as those charges are fraudlulent, us vanilla people need not think on them, let alone feel any responsibility for them.

the delegate count by 170 pledged delegates. There is no way Sen. Clinton pulls ahead unless, unless the Superdelegates risk alienating the young and the African American vote for a generation.

Re: I can think of two people much less qualified
Posted by Chuck Darwin, 3/18/2008 10:32:09 AM
I can think of another:  Lincoln was a one-term congressman when he was elected.


Over 600 thousand dead Americans under Lincolns presidency..Maybe if Lincoln had more experience he could have net the same result without the deaths or at least ended the Civil war sooner..
I really don't think he knew{ because he had so little experience including NO Military } what kind of war  he was getting himself and the country into..and YES I know the South fired the first shot.
 

Indeed there were.  If Lincoln had the sagacity of Bush the lesser, he would have saved a lot of casualties by attacking Canada, or maybe Turkey!

Lincoln did indeed have military service in the Black Hawk war of 1832.  Looks like he saw more action on 90 days than Bush 2 and Reagan combined - he actually had to bury bodies!

But you knew that.   You also knew that the point was that political experience seems to be a shitty predictor of a politician's skills.

If the Beagle didn't sink how do you explain Chuck Darwin's drowning in his drool? Maybe it was the rum you were pouring.

Next would be, who does he sell them to?  Having frequented every certified liberal website and bookstore in a 200 mile radius, I never heard of the guy until - who was it - BK? brought him up.  I think he's a figment of the GOP imagination.

Hey, don't go accusing me of being one of those sissy reader fags

no, the guy does exist, he has his readership, specialized niche that it might be.  his best know work is titled "The Content Of Our Character" [or something real close to that, published appx 1991], but I recall reading his basic position in an essay in "Harper's" back around 1989.

Interestingly, he's got a brother who is a psychology professor [Claude Steele?] at  a California  university], and the bro [no pun intended] is well-known for some experimental findings regarding social expectations and academic testing among African-american students.