states it is built on a "foundation of lies."

Did i forget to mention halliburton?

No matter.  

Texas, Nebraska, and the other 23 largely Republican states are a bunch of liars?

Obama's boy already admitted they lied.  

you do not want to address them. I see you have zero comments about any of the factual points I made.

You have never looked like a bigger fool than you do right now defending this. Christ even Mika Bryzinksi ripped Obama  today for deceptive salesmanship but I am sure she is one of MY pundits now too, right?

Don Lemon had on Van Jones and Marc Lamont Hill. Jones said what Gruber said was "horrible" and Hill called it "problematic". Lemon clearly thought Grubers comments were way out of line.

""" By the way, who said the mandate WAS A TAX?  
You will be surprised to learn that it was – drum roll ….THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.  
Although President Obama reportedly disagreed with this characterization, the government argued from Day One in the litigation that, if the mandate could not be upheld as a penalty under the Commerce Clause, it was a tax. """

“Let's assume that all Democrats in the House and Senate were totally aware of the "truth". There's no reason to say with certainty or even probability that they would have voted differently. The pressure they felt to vote one way or the other came from 3 places, their conscience, their constituents and the Democrat machine bosses (i.e Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al.).”

""I personally don’t remember any discussion about the true nature of the mandate  before the bill was passed. But whether the mandate is a tax or a penalty would make no difference to the average constituent""

Or do you forget that part? Stephanopoulos GRILLED him on this point. He said unequivocally it wasn't a tax. That was a lie and that is, in part how they duped the American public. He COULDNT say it wasn't a tax because of his pledge not to tax the middle class.

as I pointed out to you in the very first post. He is on record as saying he disagrees with Justice Roberts and agrees with the judges of the Eleventh Circuit who all said the mandate was NOT A TAX.

You have never heard of INTERNAL polling? You don't realize that virtually EVERY piece of legislation, and certainly one of THIS magnitude, gets poll tested to death?  

Team Obimbo was denying it was a tax so they could sell it.

who said the mandate WAS NOT  a tax before it was voted upon?

Pelosi in 2009: "Jonathan Gruber agrees with me."

I take it your answer is “no” you can’t show that anyone “polled” the issue of whether the mandate was a tax or a penalty. I didn’t see Van Jones but I suspect you misunderstood what he said –some aspects of ACA may have been poll tested but not the mandate characterization.  And you are incorrect – every piece of legislation is not “poll tested” to death. Only a very, very  small fraction of the statutes in the United States Code are poll tested.

Since your last question demonstrates how your fundamental assertion is incorrect I'll address it.  

Barack Milhouse Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!

she sure looks haggardly, dont she?

The Aca was enacted. Given that all the bills in the fall of 2009 said it was tax, and the final ACA gad not been drafted yet, very strange that he would say that.

"No, no one is lying about Obamacare!"

You are another ladyboy who can't read and loves to make up things with no facts!

I named myself NeedleDick to mock insecure morons like you who are so insecure they name themselves things like BigMassiveCockBoy30.  

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“The short answer is, "Yes, of course". How can I prove it to you? I'm sure I can't.”

Fact checkers would have deemed one of Obamas biggest campaign promises as broken. Citizens would have received the news that way and it would have angered them. You are confusing the affect on the situation, net, versus their perception of it.  

So Joe Taxpayer would have been so FURIOUS if he knew the $95 mandate was a tax –Mr. Obama did promise no taxes of any kind on families making less than $250,000 -  that he would have called his Congressman and told him – “don’t vote for Obamacare.” And enough taxpayers would have called that same congressmen that he would have decided to vote against Obamacare.   And this same scenario would have played out with enough Congressmen to rob the Dems of the majority vote for ACA.

I can understand why you keep insisting that we are only discussing "the tax" issue and how bills were worded.  You have yet to address any points regarding how the media's lack of legitimate participation affected how the average citizen would have reacted. The answer to your confusion (or stubbornness) is so much bigger than the minuscule fragments that seem to keep your attention.

Gruber said Obama told them in private the law wouldn't have passed either. So Obama is speculating now to I guess? Lol.