where he hopes to start the catalyst for the Rapture and end of the world. Live it up! You still have a couple of months.

Anyone coming to my door espousing their version of apocalyptic eschatology will get it my boot up their backside out the door.

2011.
http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/outreach/tracts/may21/

Then on Dec. 21, 2012
http://www.2012warning.com/

But the end is near.
The only good or bad thing about May 21 or rapture is that,
we all unsaved souls will be left behind. Then the next year we die and send to hell.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Ud3V9NPw8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsLkL8DTHeg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5bRJ9BaTF8&feature=relmfu

So I will die happy!

Has it even occurred to you that the Mayans ran out of room on that stone? Or that they figured that in 5,000 years we'd have learned how to make ourselves even more in charge of our destinies?

Wow. Guess not.

Or do you have some evidence of his assigned intentions?

Yes, in the sense of the prediction of the end of the world. No, in the sense of being aware of the history and doctrine of Becks religion, and how the many Christians, who feel he understands and promotes their Apocalyptic Eschatology regarding Israel and her enemies, embrace his message. These Christians will make up the bulk of those who attend his gathering in Jerusalem.

He uses enough of them on any given day. It's difficult to not understand what he says and intends.

And, you are right, he says a lot of things, without stating concretely his intentions. That way he can enlist many in his movement, who even have competing interests and agendas.

But even his words about standing up courageously for Israel is heard by a significant portion of conservative Christianity as being a call to participate in moving the forces along for a final conflict between Israel and her enemies, resulting in the Rapture. You can choose to not believe it, but I'm still putting my money on my position that a majority of those who show up, will be having this desire on their hearts and minds.

must have been racists?

No doubt some rapture seekers will attend but that is a far cry from claiming you know what's in his heart, contrary to everything he claims.

whatever he was selling, it appears by his own pictures, blacks, in significant numbers, were not buying any of it.

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behind an alias.

Yes, if I'm going to spend my time listening to someone, who is telling me what to be doing with my time and resources, I'm going to look way beyond just their words. Sorry, just a reaction from being a person witness to an abundance of hypocrisy in the Christian church; particularly the Mormon church, Beck's church.

But, you're still hiding behind an alias.

My views are from my experience, past and present; meaning I know plenty of conservative Christians, personally, and they tell me what they hear Beck saying, and how they respond to it. Am I suppose to ignore that?

"coded messages." The people I'm talking about look at Beck's religion, and it's theology; where it matches with there's, and then interpret his message based on that. That's much different than "coded messages."

Nothing I've said came close to apologizing for Beck. Defending him a little bit maybe but even that is too strong a characterization. I started out asking you for your evidence that Beck was attempting to summon "The End Times" or whatever you may wish to call it. Your logic is not based on what he has directly said but instead based on what's you think to be in his heart and upon your history with his religion and what some people have told you their interpretation of Beck's words (and heart maybe).

I already agreed with you that some people in attendance would be seekers of the End Times. I really see no evidence that Beck does, quite the opposite. And I do not believe that a majority of those attending will be either. You've injected his religion, and your understanding of it, into the mix far more than he has.

What I find interesting is that you stopped discussing what I said and instead retreated to attempting to characterize what I am, an apologetic alias of an alias as opposed to simply an alias. Like that somehow changes the meaning or intent or validity of what I said.

I am of course simply one more person relating to you what I think Beck said (of in this case what I think he did not say). And since I am a mere alias of an alias I can understand how you might give more credence to the opinions of people you know better than me. After all I've really not said anything stronger than "I think you are wrong."

""but that is a far cry from claiming you know what's in his heart, contrary to everything he claims.""

I have noticed a proclivity of liberals to dismiss what is ACTUALLY said and instead claim to know some sort of "code" people speak in? It is a great tool for fabrication.

Notice Matt asked if you looked further than his actual words? LOL!

I'm merely pointing out that you use a tactic frequently used by liberals to completely distort what people say.

Essentially this practice gives you license to just make up whatever you want and attribute it to that person. Have you ever been hypocritical?

Can we disregard what YOU SAY and insert what we believe your coded message to be? Like, all church members are liars?

It may not be what you said, but we KNOW that's what you mean.....Hey, this is fun.

so I can't really say.

My emphasis is on the practice of hearing "coded messages" that ascribe meanings to other people's words.

Well I must admit at least the process you are describing sounds a lot more scientific than some of the leaps I've heard ie,

cutting welfare=wanting black women to starve,
reforming medicare=killing grandma, etc, etc, etc.

I'll have to tune in to Beck and see what all the hubbub is about.