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CENZO1 162 Reviews 643 reads
posted
1 / 31

For all of you who are always criticizing Trump for not acting “presidential” you must be thrilled with Nancy Pelosi visibly tearing up Trump’s State of the Union address at the conclusion of his speech. No matter who occupies it, the Office of the President of the United States should always command a certain level of respect. I don’t know if Nancy Pelosi doesn’t understand that or if she just finally sold out to the extreme Trump haters. It’s really too bad because this will become her defining moment.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 29 reads
posted
2 / 31

Her base eats that up like crack cocaine.

Once-Is-Not-Enough 28 reads
posted
3 / 31

must be earned.  Those with the most power should be the most gracious and will earn respect, as a result of their actions.

 
We reap what we sow.

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 46 reads
posted
4 / 31

...or anyone who disagrees with him.  He gets what he gives.  Maybe you'd like Pelosi to turn the other cheek.  Why?  So he could slap that one too?

 
Here's another one on Nancy Pelosi's defining moments:

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONtx9Q8bU2E

inicky46 61 Reviews 34 reads
posted
5 / 31

Trump handed Pelosi the speech, she extended her hand to him and he turned his back on her. His sign of disrespect for another Constitutional officer was then responded to in kind. And President Snowflake's tiny feelings were SO hurt that the next day he said she broke the law for shredding his despicable pep rally speech, the most blatantly political SOTU speech ever. He got what he deserved but couldn't take, snowflake that he is.

-- Modified on 2/8/2020 5:52:09 AM

Once-Is-Not-Enough 23 reads
posted
6 / 31

Aren't we talking about the best "counter-puncher" of all time?  What a crock of BULL.  He will insult and disparage someone and AFTER they return the favor, his second volley is considered "counter-punching," after HE initiated the entire exchange anyway.

 
How dense do these people have to be?  How blind?

JackDunphy 40 reads
posted
7 / 31

I would have thought at least ONE of them, who's TDS is under control, would have been able to blame both Trump and Pelosi for their lack of professionalism and silliness but NOOOOOOOOOOO...its ALL Trump's fault.  

 
Trump should have shaken her hand as it wouldn't have killed him but he didn't shake Pence's hand either. But let's be honest here as she has led the charge to OUST him from his job.  

 
How many people here would go into work the next day and shake hands with a person who has been trying to get them fired for the last umpteen months? I would dare say a grand total of zero. You would tell them to fuck off, but that ISN'T what Trump did as he merely snubbed her. I am sure NO ONE here has ever done that to someone either.  

 
But Pelosi has now become what she says she hates in Trump. How much of a jackass would she have made him appear if she had introduced him the classy and standard way and DIDN'T rip up the speech at the end? All of the post analysis speech would have been critical of him but she made it MORE about her.

 
Trump couldn't have picked his enemies any better if he tried. Its not that they cant shoot straight, it's that they forgot their gun and decided to bring a leftover plastic knife from McDonald's they had in their backseat of their car.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 39 reads
posted
8 / 31

Camera shows he was already turning when she started moving her arm to shake, so he likely didn't see the gesture.  Also he didn't shake Pence's hand either.

marikod 1 Reviews 16 reads
posted
9 / 31

Then I read it a second time and was appalled at the lack of context. You start with noting that she “led the charge to oust him from his job” without noting that she did this only after he was caught soliciting a foreign government to do personal political favors –a/k/a she was doing her job.

            Then you leave out Trump’s escalating pattern of name calling – from Nervous Nancy, MS-13 Lover Nancy, Crazy Nancy to calling her guilty of treason-names that get picked up on Twitter and Fox “News.”

          Nonetheless, she offers to shake the guy’s hand- and he snubs her. Yes maybe it would have been petty and childish to tear up the speech for that.  But that is not why she did it- as you also leave out. She did it bc of  the astounding lies in his speech, as all the fact checkers have confirmed. Let’s take just two- the weasel claims he would “always protect patients  with pre-existing conditions” when he’s tried to do just the opposite and that drug prices had gone down when in fact they have gone up.

           So, with this context, do still believe it was petty and childish for her to tear up his speech? Or was it a deserved, savvy, and powerful act to check a president who so blatantly lies about so much on the night of his most important address to the American  people?

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 25 reads
posted
10 / 31

Her initial counsel was to avoid partisan impeachment.  Even if dems held a majority in the Senate, unless they could get 67 votes, impeachment was a loser.   In the Clinton impeachment aftermath, the GOP lost seats in the House.

JackDunphy 25 reads
posted
11 / 31

And then you realized you were being bi-partisan in that assessment so you changed it. I see.

 
Regardless of her reasons, she stooped to his level. I am on record here saying MANY times Trump is an asshole and a POS. Its doest make sense for the Left to trash classlessness when it comes from him and WK for it when it comes to her, does it?

 
But lets go deeper...

 
If she tore up the speech for his "lies", you are saying by implication at least, he did NOT lie in his previous SOTU's but I remember countless liberal talking heads and congress saying he did. So which is it? Did he lie THIS time only and NO other SOTU's?  

 
Ask yourself this; what is the ONLY difference between last years SOTU, or the previous one, and this one this year, from Pelosi's POV? It was the snub of the handshake, thus proving she ripped it up bc of THAT reason and not for any "lies."  

 
See the box you have placed yourself in?

followme 29 reads
posted
12 / 31

She has hated Trump ever since he declared he was running for president and most likely even before that.

 
2020 = GOP = Trump 2nd Term

Once-Is-Not-Enough 22 reads
posted
13 / 31

believe that?  You seem like an intelligent enough of a guy.  But could your political leanings be taking you in a direction that is totally clouding your objectivity?

 
All parties should play by the same rules.  Trump has shown a pattern of behaving like an insulting, ignorant, spoiled brat, with no manners.  When someone opposing him, leans the slightest bit away from the highest standards of etiquette, he slams them for it.

 
No matter how much you like the guy, the truth will always be the truth.  Let's try to be a bit more objective.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 14 reads
posted
14 / 31

You're telling me I should believe you and not my own lying eyes.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 23 reads
posted
15 / 31

Actually the left has always been extreme in denouncing conservatives, it's just so ingrained in society that no one notices until a conservative (who always play by society rules) returns fire.

I remember George Bush (2nd) was called "worse than Hitler" by liberals. I can't think of a Republican President they didn't hate.  And of course they call everyone racists and fascists.  But apparently that's acceptable.  

In the link below, a liberal calmly points out some discrepancies in conservative ideology.

marikod 1 Reviews 21 reads
posted
16 / 31

"It was the snub of the handshake, thus proving she ripped it up bc of THAT reason and not for any "lies."  

 
I think it is entirely more plausible that

1) the number of lies in this speech was far more than in 2019-

“I tried to find one page I could spare that didn’t have a lie on it,” Pelosi said, according to the aide.”

2) the idea of tearing up the speech did not occur to her in 2019; or

3) she still hoped in 2019 that maybe she could do business with Trump.

      But isn’t the leading authority on why Nancy Pelosi ripped the speech a lady named….Nancy Pelosi – and she says:
The president’s failing to shake her outstretched hand before the speech, when he handed her the paper copy of his remarks, was not a factor in her tearing up the document, Pelosi told fellow lawmakers. “Who cares?” she said.

 
But, if in fact you are the leading authority on why she did it, maybe I’ll change my mind.  
Please advise if this is so.

JackDunphy 32 reads
posted
17 / 31

And people wonder why you get best "Goal Post Mover" award every year. :D

 
Sadly, you didn't produce anything for us to see if that is true. You think Nanc can supply those numbers bc I am sure they were in the sheets in front of her, comparing all the SOTU lies from this year to last. I guess it is possible she ripped them up to? LOL

 
Maybe you can help good OLD Nancy out here and fact check all of Trump's SOTU's for us? This isn't nearly as daunting a task as it may sound counselor as the VERY credible WaPo keeps track of ALL his lies...er...I mean "false statements". LOL

 
So please provide that info to us when you find the time. Who knows? Maybe you will change my mind. :)

JackDunphy 46 reads
posted
18 / 31

That means YOU should bash Trump and the Dims and he gets to dump on Trump only. LOL

 
He was THIS close to making a bi-partisan critique when he said "all parties should play by the same rules" but shame on me as his very next sentence was ripping Trump and letting Gridlock Granny off the hook.

 
Could it be his political leanings are taking him in a direction that are totally clouding HIS objectivity? He didn't have the courage to tell us. lol

 
#StillWaitingForOneHonestLibToSlamNancyTheRipper

Once-Is-Not-Enough 27 reads
posted
19 / 31

(SARCASTICALLY) Trump followers would have said if Michelle Obama plagiarized one of Melania's speeches?  We can all be sure, it would NOT have been good.

 
Yet, that is EXACTLY what Melania did.  These all-knowing, high I.Q. members of the Trump staff, plagiarized one of Michelle's speeches and his followers did not bat an eyelash.  They were probably too busy rewriting history, trying to figure out how they could accuse Michelle Obama of being the plagiarist, even though her speech came well before Melania stole it from Michelle.

 
And I must admit, Melania's plagiarism was one of the most comical displays of public stupidity I have ever witnessed, on such a grand scale, no less!  So typical of Trump's ineptness and the chaos he creates by hiring only "the absolute best people," or so he says.

 
Maybe they will simply use their "go-to" answer for EVERYTHING and label it "fake news."  No way they will even try to make any sense and yet they wonder why they have no credibility.

Black-Panther 38 reads
posted
20 / 31

The Donald denied!

marikod 1 Reviews 31 reads
posted
21 / 31

that somehow “proved” she did it this year bc of the snub. I’ve simply given you some plausible explanations as to why this is not so –including her own explanation.

So, with the full context, the Republican  talking point that she was “childish and petty” is exposed, unless you believe she is lying.

And what are we to do when a president, in addition to his daily twitter feed lies,  so blatantly lies in the SOTU address? Didn’t it bother you at all when he said he was protecting patients with pre-existing conditions? Should members of Congress shout –“you’re lying” as happened one year in Mr. Obama’s speech? Should they just look the other way as did the 52 cowardly oath breakers in the Senate?

When there is a “lie on every page,” I think tearing up the speech is the brave and classy thing to do?

You agree now?

GaGambler 46 reads
posted
22 / 31

I think, speaking for myself personally, that I will believe "my own lying eyes" over ANYTHING a certified Trump hater tries to tell me actually happened.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 30 reads
posted
23 / 31

Her hand never crossed the goal line before Trump turned his gaze away to the rest of  the room.  

followme 17 reads
posted
24 / 31

It seems clear that she waited to extend her hand until he turned so he would not see it, to make it appear he snubbed her. I bet she planned and rehearsed it just like the tearing up of the speech.  

 

2020 = GOP All The Way

inicky46 61 Reviews 24 reads
posted
25 / 31

Here's what I think happened. Trump didn't want to shake her hand so, just in case she made the gesture, he began to turn away as soon as possible after handing her the speech. Before he did that she'd poised herself to offer her hand but caught him already turning away.
I don't think she decided to tear up his speech in that moment but did so later in disgust at all his many, many lies.
Good for her. He's a pig who dishonors his office and deserves only the same disrespect he shows others.

GaGambler 31 reads
posted
26 / 31

Not only did Nancy NOT decide to tear up the speech "in the moment" but she started practicing to make sure she didn't fuck it up less than halfway through the SOTU speech itself.  

 
We all know you didn't watch it, you NEVER watch these things so your opinion about what actually happened is worth less than nothing.

inicky46 61 Reviews 21 reads
posted
27 / 31

You say she "started practicing...less than halfway through." So you agree she didn't decide to do it when when he spurned her handshake. Or maybe you read her mind? Read your sentence again. It's totally fucked up.

GaGambler 21 reads
posted
28 / 31

That is something made up by "your side" to justify her actions, not anything I ever said.  

 
I just said she didn't just decide to do in "in the moment" at the end of the SOTU.  

 
Why don't YOU reread what I wrote, it's still there for all to see.

inicky46 61 Reviews 19 reads
posted
29 / 31

Your statement contains an internal contradiction and you're too dumb and too stubborn to see it. TSTTT.

Once-Is-Not-Enough 23 reads
posted
30 / 31

member of the "crew" to admit it when they or Trump makes a mistake, are you?  Ain't going to happen.

 
Remember, this is the same guy who said he is for a woman's right to choose, same-sex marriage, and that the wall is unnecessary.  Then in the next breath he is in favor of judges who would potentially reverse the very things he claims to support.

 
Rather dizzying, don't you think?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 23 reads
posted
31 / 31

saying to himself . . . . "Once, pleeeeez don't try to help me."  Nick can take care of himself.  You are "Mister-make-it-worse."

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