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cks175 52 Reviews 442 reads
posted
1 / 20

NEW: Poll finds that 40% of voters say they are likely to support Elon Musk's "America Party" if he decides to launch it, according to Quantus Insights.

The poll comes as Musk has threatened to launch his own political party over recent disagreements with the Republican Party.

"Time for a new political party that actually cares about the people," he recently said in a post on X.
Conservative pundit Steve Deace’s take:
But now let's tell the rest of the story, Paul Harvey.

According to Quantus, interest in @elonmusk potential new party was high, "Particularly among young voters (Republicans are making gains with) and Republican men. Skepticism remains high among older and Democratic voters."

In other words, all this will likely do is hand national elections to Democrats. Which is exactly why I strongly urge Elon to invest heavily in GOP primaries instead. That will be far less costly in time and treasure, and actually more beneficial to his cause.

inicky46 61 Reviews 43 reads
posted
2 / 20

It said 41% of Americans identified as Independent, with Dems and Reps only reaching 27% each.
I'd say especially if the Republicans foist this huge, steaming pile of shit on America with their BBB, even more Republicans will abandon them for a new party.

inicky46 61 Reviews 45 reads
posted
3 / 20

But here's the thing: while it's true third parties rarely work in this country, what DOES happen is sometimes they replace another formerly major party that's moribund. Like the Republicans replaced the Whigs.
So, as the two major parties become useless (and it's hard to say which is worse) perhaps a new party like Musk's can replace one of them?

impposter 49 Reviews 50 reads
posted
4 / 20

Another mistake by willy:

Posted By: willywonka4u
... We have a system where if a candidate gets 50% +1 of the vote they win the whole damn thing.  ...
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Trump received 46.1% of the popular vote in 2016 ... and won.
(Biden received 51.3% of the popular vote in  2020 ... and won.)
Trump received 49.8% of the popular vote in 2024 ... and won.
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Trump won because of the Electoral College which gives more voting power to low-population states due to Senator allocations.  E.g., the population of Wyoming is ~587,000 (total voters and non-voters) and gets 2 Senators. The population of CA is ~40,000,000 but still only gets 2 Senators. The Elector College significantly DILUTES the popular vote, which favors the voters of low population states.  The Constitution requires a MAJORITY of the Electoral Votes to be elected POTUS.
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"If no candidate receives a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, a presidential "contingent election" is decided by a special vote of the United States House of Representatives. ... During a "contingent election" in the House, each state delegation votes en bloc to choose the president instead of representatives voting individually."  

inicky46 61 Reviews 42 reads
posted
5 / 20

These were among the compromises that had to be made -- along with the infamous 3/5ths clause -- in order to create the country. The problem is that because of the political fracture in the country we are unable to fix things through the amendment process.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 39 reads
posted
6 / 20

If the BBB is successful in curing the country's ills, the GOP will remain in power for the next 12 years.  If it doesn't work, the Dems will take over in 2028 and turn this country back into an open-border shit-hole.

inicky46 61 Reviews 35 reads
posted
7 / 20
inicky46 61 Reviews 30 reads
posted
8 / 20
coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 34 reads
posted
9 / 20

lying around drunk who are on the Medicaid rolls, you need to get out more in the poorer sections of the Blue inner cities.  

impposter 49 Reviews 51 reads
posted
10 / 20

"I wished everyone could get the kind of coverage I get as a federal employee. It’s cheap and covers just about everything short of plastic surgery." - willy
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Make an appointment to have the wax removed from your ears, the blindness removed from your eyes, and psych help to understand what MANY people have been promoting for YEARS. E.g., single payer.

Posted By: willywonka4u
... I wished everyone could get the kind of coverage I get as a federal employee. It’s cheap and covers just about everything short of plastic surgery.

impposter 49 Reviews 53 reads
posted
11 / 20

Quoting from:  
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/politics-and-religion-39/re-there-needs-to-be-cuts-455093
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"I have also posted about one of AOC's early (first term) statements on "single payer" health insurance for all, something Bernie has been campaigning for for years. Someone asked AOC, 'But how will we pay for it?' AOC replied, 'What do you mean? We just pay for it!' I explained that statement in old posts which are returning: "Discussion Board Error! The message you have requested is either invalid or is no longer active."
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"To recap: "The United States spends more on health care than any other country. Annual health expenditures stood at over 4.4 trillion U.S. dollars in 2022 ..." I explained AOC's statement as follows, across ALL health plans and all health services (this looks better as a pie chart of Venn diagram):
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"Inputs: Private insurance premiums (paid by employers and employees), co-pays, gov "inputs" (Medicare/Medicaid), out of pocket expenditures ... add them all up and you get, let's simplify, $5 trillion IN. (Those or similar inputs will remain the same: 'You just pay for it the way you have always paid for it.')  
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"Outputs: Med procedures, medicines, doctors - nurses salaries, office workers salaries, real estate, property and equipment maintenance ... everything DIRECTLY related to patient care. In addition, THE PRIVATE INSURERS take, let's estimate, 20% off the top: 15% to show as profits to their shareholders and 5% to pay top management big salaries and bonuses. That's $4T for patient health-care and $1T for management wealth-care.
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"(A private company, Steward Health Care, bought up several hospitals in MA. Steward management enriched themselves and their shareholders and bankrupted the hospitals which went into bankruptcy in 2024. It is a national trend:  
http://www.wbur.org/news/2024/05/07/steward-bankruptcy-hospitals-massachusetts
http://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/15-healthcare-bankruptcies-in-2024.html )
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""How do you pay for "it"?" "It" being healthcare.  You use the same or similar funding streams: insurance premiums, co-pays, out of pocket, ... and state and fed funding programs. The same or up to the same $5 T comes in. Cut out the self-enriching private management (and increasingly mis-management) groups, keep the service providers and support staff (now to be paid by a single payer), and you can cut premiums and inputs back to $4 T or you can spend some of the $5 T on improving the health care system (new and improved facilities, etc.) or expanding it.
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"That's MY simplified explanation of "you just pay for it."
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"Premiums, co-pays, taxes, withholding ... go IN ---> [$5 Trillion In]
[$5 Trillion Out] ---> MDs, RNs, support staff, hospitals, patient care, meds, ... go OUT, with [$1 T left over].
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"The now-missing piece that is eliminated is the [$1 Trillion OUT] ---> millionaire managers' salaries and bonuses."
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You can still have SUPPLEMENTAL PRIVATE INSURANCE for those who want more choices or coverages. E.g., private hospital room instead of shared room or ward. Or ...
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http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/not-all-health-plans-are-created-equal-885919
"Not all health plans are created equal
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"The Senator was visiting one of the top hospitals, and during her tour of the floors she passed a room where a male patient was masturbating. "Oh my God", said the Senator, "that's disgraceful, what is the meaning of this?" The doctor replied, "That man has a very serious condition where the testicles rapidly fill with semen. If he doesn't do that 5 times a day, they'll explode, and he would die instantly." "Oh, I am sorry", said the Senator. On the next floor they passed a room where a young nurse was giving a patient oral sex. "Oh my God", said the Senator, "What's happening in there?" The Doctor replied, "Same problem, better supplemental health plan."  "

Posted By: willywonka4u
Re: We have the worst of both worlds.
The best thing about single payer is that it maximizes the risk pool and lowers costs. The worst thing about it is medical resources are finite which results in limited delivery of medical services. This often means wait times.  
   
   
 The best thing about a true free market system is market competition would drive prices down. The worst thing about it is you always have to pay for it and there may be times where that’s not feasible.  
   
   
 We have a system that’s a mix of both of these systems, except we have none of the advantages and all the downsides. It’s not a free market system, but rather carefully crafted monopolies that drives up costs. And you have long wait times. It’s terrible.  
   
   
 I think emergency care should just be single payer. And we should have a true free market system for additional care. Taxpayers shouldn’t be paying for someone’s boob job. But we should lift the burden off of someone having a stroke.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 43 reads
posted
12 / 20

run in 1992, Bill Clinton would have never been elected President in 1991, and we would have had four more years of George H W Bush.  

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 49 reads
posted
13 / 20

…Bill Clinton would never have been elected President…”

 
Why no link to this assertion?  Because CDL pulled it out of his ass and flung it onto the board like a monkey flinging poo.  

 
Here’s a link proving Perot did not cause Bush to lose the election:

 
http://split-ticket.org/2023/04/01/examining-ross-perots-impact-on-the-1992-presidential-election

 
Willl CDL back up his OP with a link to FACTS which prove his assertion?  Of course not!
See CDL.  
See CDL run.  
Run, CDL, run!

-- Modified on 7/9/2025 2:18:34 AM

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 39 reads
posted
14 / 20

run by a UC Berkeley guy who used to write for the NY Times.  Why not just use Raw Story for your source?  I'm sure they agree with this guy.  You couldn't find any major legitimate news source to back up this claim?  I checked with RCP, and they said they don't know and because there are so many factors involved, we may NEVER know.  The real news places are not in line with your source, so what gives on that front?  Why did you pick this guy?  Is he the only one that supports the narrative you are HOPING for?  

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 41 reads
posted
15 / 20

You try to shoot the messengers because you can’t contradict the link.  

 
According to their LinkedIn profiles, neither of the authors went to UC Berkeley nor did they work for the New York Times.  More CDL bullshit.

Keep running, CDL.

cks175 52 Reviews 39 reads
posted
16 / 20
inicky46 61 Reviews 51 reads
posted
17 / 20

Makes no attempt at all to rebut BigP's point.

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 51 reads
posted
18 / 20

…what “shoot the messenger” means.  CDL didn’t criticize the message, I.e, the substance of the article.  Instead, he attempted to shoot the messengers - the authors of the article.  

 
CKS175’s post was almost as weak as CDL’s.  

cks175 52 Reviews 41 reads
posted
19 / 20

Look at BigPapasans’s reply. The topic is “shooting the messenger”.

inicky46 61 Reviews 47 reads
posted
20 / 20

Can ChicKenShit REALLY have missed the rest of BPS' sentence, which reads: "because you can’t contradict the link."
ChicKie is such a hack he's only good at busting himself with blatant distortions.
ChicKenShit shits again....

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