today in the news coverage of Trump's and Biden's rallies?  Trump landed in Duluth, Minnesota in Air Force One to a screaming crowd of 10,000 supporters.  Biden did an old-fashioned "whistle-stop" rail tour of 8 cities in Ohio and Pennsylvania today on the Amtrak, and the cameras were rolling as he spoke for 20 minutes (the limit on what he seems to be able to get through when he's not on performance-enhancing drugs) to a less-than-overflow crowd of about 30 on the train platform.  There were enough benches for all 30 supporters without having to bring in extra seating like they did at Trump's rally.    After saying last night during the debate that he has no MANIFESTO, today he couldn't remember what his "plan" was called until one of his handlers yelled out "Manifesto", and he said, "that's right, our manifesto."  Maybe this handler didn't watch the debate.  The crowning moment was when the camera panned the "crowd" and an old couple was asleep on one of the benches while Joe was speaking, typical of the enthusiasm level among Biden supporters on the campaign trail.  Compare this to Trump's rally, where the 10,000 screaming fans are jumping up and down and flashing signs in support of Trump.  Low-energy Joe is pathetic by comparison.

until your second sentence to lie.  News reports based on crowd counts from  the Duluth Fire Chief put Trump’s crowd at about 3,000.

And it’s sad how Trump had the stamina for only less than an hour of talking to supporters yesterday, while Joe talked for over 2-1/2 hours total in an all-day, 8 city tour.  The debate must have taken a lot out of Trump.

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Yeah, it's from The NY Times, so it must be wrong. Except that it includes Trump-favorable pollsters like Rasmussen:
"the polls we did get Wednesday, along with those we’ve seen over the last few days, are among some of the worst news that President Trump has received since the Republican convention, including from some of the firms that usually offer the president his best news.

Another good post-debate poll for Biden. We talked Wednesday morning about the post-debate “instapolls,” which found that most debate watchers thought Joe Biden won Tuesday night. Later Wednesday, there was a late entry from FiveThirtyEight and Ipsos, who re-interviewed voters to see whether anyone’s views had shifted after the debate.

All of the results were good for Mr. Biden. His favorability ratings increased, while Mr. Trump’s ratings declined. Voters said Mr. Biden did a good job; they said Mr. Trump did a poor job. There was relatively little evidence that people changed their minds after the debate, but there was evidence that voters subtly became likelier to support Mr. Biden — say, rating yourself as certain to vote for Mr. Biden, rather than as very likely. And of course, Mr. Trump is the one who’s trailing and needs voters to change their minds.

Even Rasmussen and Trafalgar show Biden ahead. We haven’t talked much about the polling firms Rasmussen and Trafalgar. They usually give Mr. Trump a big advantage. They use interactive voice response technology — robocalls — to reach voters, and neither firm discloses enough information about its methodology for me to interpret or report their results with any confidence. Methodological transparency is always important, but the burden is even higher if a firm uses nontraditional methods and produces systematically different results from other firms.

But over the last few days, these firms have done something unusual: They’ve shown some pretty good results for Mr. Biden. Rasmussen showed Mr. Biden up eight points nationwide, one of its largest leads for him this cycle. It also showed Mr. Biden up 14 points in New Hampshire, a great result for him by any measure.

Rasmussen has occasionally shown some decent results for Mr. Biden, including a 10-point national lead in July and a lead in Ohio in September. But the Trafalgar Group has essentially never shown any good results for him. Its results lean so consistently to the right that I usually nudge its results about five or six points to the left in my head.

Yet over the last few days, Trafalgar has Biden ahead in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. If even Trafalgar thinks Mr. Biden’s ahead in those key states, things are looking rough for the president."

Joe talked for 2 and a half hours total in between his nap time on the train, which is 8 20-min segments.   Trump worked a full day at the white house before heading to Minnesota where he STARTED speaking at 9 o'clock Eastern Time.  By then, Joe had already had his warm milk, and Jill had tucked him into bed.  

 
I was just going by what the news coverage said on the attendance.  So are you somehow arguing that the 30 people Biden had is the same as the 3000 Trump had?   That's one percent at each location, 8% total.  How does that make Biden look like he's getting his voters ginned up to support him?

breathing on each other. Unlike President Proudboy, whose ego needs to feed off crowds and doesn't give a shit how many of his faithful infect each other.

Trump talked for less than an hour in Duluth and seemed “exhausted” according to his staff: he was busy spreading the coronavirus to his family, staff, and followers.