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bond007 31 Reviews 539 reads
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1 / 35

Trump Says He Does Not Read Entire Peace Proposals From Iran

With a lasting peace plan between the U.S. and Iran still proving elusive, President Donald Trump made an alarming claim about his diplomatic process while speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One on the return trip from China.

Trump said Iran’s offer was still unacceptable.

“I looked at it, and if I don’t like the first sentence, I throw it away,” he said Friday.

“If they have any nuclear of any form, I don’t read the rest of it,” he added.

An Iranian official said earlier in the day that a lack of trust was impeding the negotiations.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 18 reads
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2 / 35

Iran will be allowed to keep their nuclear bomb program, which is a non-negotiable for Trump, who has the support on this from nearly everyone within missile range of Iran, why shouldn't he throw them away and tell them to get serious or the bombing starts again?

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 21 reads
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3 / 35

Then the briefing would be at trumps level . Need to keep it simple so he’s not overwhelmed  
See John run, see Mary hide…

Readytorock1 44 Reviews 25 reads
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4 / 35

The guy clearly does not like to waste time
 
Not up to par from the start? Its done.  

I like it. I think most folks that run their lived efficiently would as well.  

You can tell a few of you have never ran any type of business that required contracts.

bond007 31 Reviews 14 reads
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5 / 35

I was a Director of Programming and Systems for a division of a major aerospace company.  I would never read just one line of a freaking contract.  After I retired from that job, I sold Real Estate for 15 years.  In CA (unlike some other states), a standard real estate contact is multi pages long.  And thats just the start.  Now, I didn't read every line of Real Estate Contract.  It wasn't necessary.  But, I did look over each section of the entire contact.  Every time.  

Anybody who doesn't know whats inside of a proposal (not just the first line), is an idiot.  And yes, CEO's do not read proposals in their entirety.  But they sure as hell know all the fine points.

KatieKuada See my TER Reviews 17 reads
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6 / 35
coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 24 reads
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7 / 35

of the term "non-negotiable."  In most commercial contracts, which seems to be the extent of the experience you describe, it's pointless to even write the contract if it contains points that are "non-negotiable" for one side or the other.  As in Trump's case, if there first point is that Iran will still be allowed to develop a nuclear bomb, what is the point of reading past the non-negotiable point?  In commercial contracts, every point is usually negotiable, so yes, you have to read the entire contract.  If the non-negotiable was in the middle of the contract, you would read until you reached it and then you don't have to read the rest.  If the contract is untenable based on this single point, it doesn't matter what the rest of it says, so WHY READ IT?

bond007 31 Reviews 16 reads
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8 / 35

Certainly, not Trump.  U never know what the proposal is until u review it.  And he didn't do that

Readytorock1 44 Reviews 20 reads
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9 / 35

If the offer for a home, which is clarified on the first page, isnt sufficient...think of a low ball offer by an investor....do you really bother with the rest of that contract?  

You may look at other terms for shits and giggles..but that offer is null and void the moment you saw the price.  

Same thing Trump is trying to state.

inicky46 61 Reviews 14 reads
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10 / 35

But your main points are dumb enough as they stand. Mainly because how can you have a real negotiation if you don't understand and respond to ALL the points the other side makes?
Your approach is totally lacking in seriousness. Just like Trump's.
At least you are consistent.

bond007 31 Reviews 12 reads
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11 / 35

BS.  Price is not the only thing negotiated on a real estate contract.  Heck, I have gotten full price offers that had to be negotiated out because there were other sticking points.  I have also gotten low ball offers through because the terms being offered were what each party wanted.  U just never know.  I have negotiated multi-million dollar software purchases that were bad to start with that went through after a period of negotiation.

impposter 49 Reviews 22 reads
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12 / 35

Trump has a long history of ignoring contracts and doing whatever he wants to do anyway. E.g., cheating contractors and suing them into bankruptcy. To Trump, international law is not different from NJ or NY contract law.  
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Trump has been up and down like a yo-yo on almost every issue, including "non- negotiable" issues, such as "nukes"
http://www.politico.com/news/2026/05/15/20-years-is-enough-trump-puts-a-timeline-on-limiting-irans-nuclear-program-00923100
‘20 years is enough’: Trump puts a timeline on limiting Iran’s nuclear program. [May 15, 2026]
The allowance for Iran to enrich uranium at any point in the future — even decades out — marks a shift for the president.
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"President Donald Trump on Friday said a 20-year moratorium on Iran’s nuclear program would be enough for him to strike a deal and end the war. The allowance for Iran to enrich uranium at any point in the future — even decades out — marks a shift for the president, who has repeatedly insisted that the country never be allowed to do so. ...
[yo-YO, yo-YO, yo-YO ...]
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(I remember some talking heads noting that Iran offered 5 years which opens the door to a COMPROMISE of 10-15 years.)

Trump's idea of "negotiation" is "my way or the highway", rather, "my way or the highway or I'll sue you and you will  not like that."
Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: It seems you lack understanding . . .  
of the term "non-negotiable."  In most commercial contracts, which seems to be the extent of the experience you describe, it's pointless to even write the contract if it contains points that are "non-negotiable" for one side or the other.  As in Trump's case, if there first point is that Iran will still be allowed to develop a nuclear bomb, what is the point of reading past the non-negotiable point?  In commercial contracts, every point is usually negotiable, so yes, you have to read the entire contract.  If the non-negotiable was in the middle of the contract, you would read until you reached it and then you don't have to read the rest.  If the contract is untenable based on this single point, it doesn't matter what the rest of it says, so WHY READ IT?

Readytorock1 44 Reviews 20 reads
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13 / 35

Not bs at all.

When you see a low ball investor type offer come in, you see the low ball number in the price...you know that offer isnt worth shit. You dont keep reading...other than for shits and giggles. If the price isnt right that contract is null and void.  

You also dont continue to negotiate until the other side gets that price right. At that point you continue to the terms of the offer.

inicky46 61 Reviews 12 reads
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coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 14 reads
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15 / 35

of my work.  When the other side KNOWS you have a non-negotiable, and they lead with that, they are not serious or ready to come to an agreement.  They are wasting your time and insulting you.  I have walked out of court-ordered mediation with judges for the same reason, which is tantamount to tearing up a proposal and telling them to start over when they are serious, and when they were reconvened, I got everything I wanted.  It's a power play.  Giving you your non-negotiable allows them to expect a quid pro quo on some other point where you have room to maneuver.  You can't with a non-negotiable unless it really isn't a non-negotiable.   That's why the other name for non-negotiable is "deal-breaker."   I know you have descended testicles, so you should understand this better than others here.

inicky46 61 Reviews 25 reads
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16 / 35

You continue to compare the negotiation between countries over several complex issues to one over a business deal. That is a completely bogus comparison which you utterly fail to recognize, testicles or not.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 12 reads
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17 / 35

in a negotiation are the same no matter what kind of negotiation it is OTHER than a commercial business deal.  I didn't say my negotiations are ALWAYS business deals.  The negotiation style is changed to fit the circumstances.  Mediation in an attempt to settle a legal dispute over liability and damages is NOT a business deal, and that was the example I gave, so you will have to tell me where I said in my last post anything about a business deal.  

inicky46 61 Reviews 14 reads
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18 / 35

in the post just a bit further up the branch. So that established the context, no matter how badly you try to run away from it now.

impposter 49 Reviews 21 reads
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19 / 35

For several weeks, the news has reported on there being a 10-point plan (proposal), a 15-point plan and so on.  Let's just SUPPOSE that Iran's plan was a 10-point plan and that the "non-negotiable" item was #10 instead of #1 on the plan. Does ANYBODY think that Trump would read and consider #1-#9 and only THEN read #10 and dismiss the entire plan because #10 was non-negotiable?  
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(I, also, have been involved with real estate negotiations and contracts. I remember successfully negotiating many points ("We need guaranteed access via entrance-X for occasional oversized deliveries." "We need to add this area-Y (a few square feet of common space) to accommodate [Z], otherwise we have to totally reconfigure our layout." Etc.). In one of my early experiences, the boss (Pres/CEO) abruptly dismissed the real estate company's offer with ~ "No way! Do you even know who we are?'  
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tenant space---|--- public space | needed to move the non-structural wall slightly to get  
tenant space----|--public space |  (totally legal and met all regulations and was similarly changed for other tenants in other places on the property)  
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Unable to find suitable property elsewhere and growing desperate to meet deadlines, "we" had to go crawling back to the table and all we got was the same original offer and none of the other previously negotiated (and agreed to by the real estate company) amendments. We then had to spend even MORE money on the reconfigurations and other previously solved problems.  
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Trump does not read. He needs to have all written communications DUMBED down into Sesame Street versions in order to keep his attention for a full two minutes. Does anyone think that if Iran re-numbered the points (#1 becoming #10; #2 becoming #1) and sent them back a week later that Trump would not react the exact same way? "I read the new #1! Unacceptable and non-negotiable! And then I threw the whole thing away!"  
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Trump is a child being told to at least TRY the vegetables on his plate. "Noooo! I don't wanna! I want McDonalds!! Waaah!"

Posted By: bond007
Re: Ok.  I have put my name to many contracts
BS.  Price is not the only thing negotiated on a real estate contract.  Heck, I have gotten full price offers that had to be negotiated out because there were other sticking points.  I have also gotten low ball offers through because the terms being offered were what each party wanted.  U just never know.  I have negotiated multi-million dollar software purchases that were bad to start with that went through after a period of negotiation.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 19 reads
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20 / 35

non-negotiables are never used in commercial contracts because what would the point be?  If you know the other side has a non-negotiable point as the Iranians know about Trump, saying you want it anyway as part of ANY proposal is stupid.  Do you think Trump is ever going to say, "Okay, you can have your nukes because you compromised on another point?"  As I said a couple of times, reading the rest is a waste of his time.  There is nothing Iran can offer can will offset Trump's "No-nukes" stance.  

420Smoka4Eva 15 reads
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21 / 35

Why should Iran make a deal? They had a deal with the US and Trump ripped it up. Then Trump tried to start a war and then gave up after a few weeks. Now Trump is asking for terms that were in the last deal that he ripped up. Iran won guys, no deal is coming.

Readytorock1 44 Reviews 15 reads
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22 / 35

Well if they dont they are just going to keep getting bombed. They question at this point is more like "how much infrastructure would you like to be left standing? How many decades would you like to take tp rebuild?"

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 14 reads
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23 / 35

Trumps getting killed in the home front with this losing war
He’s doesn’t have the stomach

Readytorock1 44 Reviews 18 reads
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24 / 35

Surrender? What would lead you to think this?

I notice you are fond of making blanketed atatements without the ability to back up your reasoning with actual fact.  

Speaking of...you still havent answered me in that Bianco thread.  

If you are a time waster that spouts nonsense like katie, ick, or jizz, cool, thats on you. But lets get back to why Bianco is what you think he is. Because im pretty sure you cant explain it yourself.

followme 27 reads
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25 / 35

The reason he thinks that is because he, and other leftists here, is an insufferable partisan hack who hates Trump more than he loves America.

Readytorock1 44 Reviews 28 reads
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26 / 35

And thats fine. Its a free country last time i checked. Think what you like.  

However...when asked why you think this way...not being able to back up their opinions with fact. Its when they get super defensive and pretty much "quit" when the lack of facts is called out is odd to me. Its cult like.

jazzman121847 111 Reviews 25 reads
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27 / 35

Not that it would serve any purpose or do any good, but no one has to explain themselves to you. Why are you so obsessed about that? Is anyone asking you to explain yourself? That answer is NO.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 16 reads
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28 / 35

Man, this Bianco thing has you unhinged?  
Figure it out …and then YOU’LL  get it

Readytorock1 44 Reviews 19 reads
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29 / 35

Problem is, YOU havent still figured it out. Let me know when ya do.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 27 reads
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30 / 35

Grow up, learn life and then you might get it

jazzman121847 111 Reviews 14 reads
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31 / 35
Readytorock1 44 Reviews 17 reads
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32 / 35

Helluva way to duck out. You were going to have a hard time talking your way out of that one.  

I was correct all along...even you couldnt explain what you wrote. And you still cant. Weak.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 17 reads
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33 / 35

Because you're still chasing something I've already explained....you're coming off fragile and weak... if this still bothers you
Like I said, grow up...you seem wet behind the ears

Readytorock1 44 Reviews 25 reads
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34 / 35

You can give me all the compliments you like, but it doesnt change the fact that you arent able to back up the shit you say. If it comes off like I give a shit, well, its my home of CA so why someone would think and state such things about an obvious great candidate for gov genuinely baffles me. Id love to get to the reasoning, but apparently you dont have any.  

Now i know what im dealing with. I had thought you slightly higher on the totem pole than some of the others in here. I thought wrong.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 19 reads
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35 / 35

This would be a great photo for his $250 bill...
Courtesy of NY Governor Hochul Press Office

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