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Why verifying proves NOTHING!
coyotefan2 10 Reviews 2660 reads
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This is apples and oranges. Simply do not work in Chandler! This has nothing to do with verifying!!

As I have stated numerous times, how do you know the person you are verifying is the one showing up at your door? How do you know the person doing the verifying is not LE?

IMO the best way to handle the first date is to handle it like a first date. Meet in a public place, ask to see a pay stub from his place of employment and a drivers liscense. This will possibly protect you from LE. It is a little more dicey for the man. He just has to trust his instincts.

As far as the article you link to, what does this in any way have to do with verifying? That is nothing more than having any business without a bsiness liscense. That is illegal whether you are an escort or walmart.

ScottsdalesElite2646 reads

that both provider/agency and client are the real deal. Be safe and have fun.

-- Modified on 6/22/2005 9:48:26 PM

Related Link: Better safe than sorry

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redbbw0071921 reads

Thanks for the heads up in Chandler, once one city starts usually all the rest will follow. Be safe ladies.
Since going independent my phone rings constantly, with clients who found me on the web. When asked for verification information before booking a session many can't or won't provide anything other than a first name. So obviously I won't see them at my private location. When I offer the massage parlor option since they have no references they won't book. I'm not saying they are all LE, but I treat them all as they are. Gentlemen please remember that for our safety and your maximum pleasure we have to obtain some information about who you are. I don't understand when you provide a reference that you don't list a few providers so that we can get as much info as possible, instead of going back and forth via phone or email,with oh well try this lady now...Verification is frustrating for both parties but it is imperative that we follow through with it.
Just my 2cents worth :)
~Malissa~

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AZJustJack1926 reads

Must have been a slow news day.

Has anyone, anywhere, actually had an AK-47 toting maniac show up at their door? Beatings, macings, pistol whippings, sure-but assault weapons? I hope that was just lurid sensationalism to sell me a paper to read while munching my omelette at the IHOP.

Being an uninformed hobbyist must be terrifying.

What I found to be most interesting-Currently, no one is licensed to be an escort in Chandler.

So run out today, and get your license, cause then you are OK.....and easier to round up.

I crack me up.

Play smart, play safe

JustJack





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coyotefan22661 reads

This is apples and oranges. Simply do not work in Chandler! This has nothing to do with verifying!!

As I have stated numerous times, how do you know the person you are verifying is the one showing up at your door? How do you know the person doing the verifying is not LE?

IMO the best way to handle the first date is to handle it like a first date. Meet in a public place, ask to see a pay stub from his place of employment and a drivers liscense. This will possibly protect you from LE. It is a little more dicey for the man. He just has to trust his instincts.

As far as the article you link to, what does this in any way have to do with verifying? That is nothing more than having any business without a bsiness liscense. That is illegal whether you are an escort or walmart.

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sceder2208 reads

So when this happens in Phoenix do the providers simply not work in Phoenix? IMO handling it like a first date is ridiculous. So a provider should take time out of her busy day and meet you in a public place so that you can show her your paystub from wherever. If I can create a paystub on my PC from software bought at Office Max don't you think that LE could also? What if you don't have a paystub.  There are a lot of gentlemen in the area that have retired and moved here and still want to see someone for companionship. Should they be left out because they don't have a paystub? Do they need to bring old tax returns or something.

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redbbw0074190 reads

Coyotefan, your title says verifying proves nothing, but then you give advice for the ladies to verify by a pay stub and a drivers license? If it proves nothing than why ask for it?
Your post confused me..but thats not hard to do lol.
Anyone can make up a paystub on their computer and fake licenses are pretty easy to come by, as for first impressions in person, well we all should go with our gut instinct. But by following a formula for verification, asking for provider references along with other personal information, does reduce the risk of getting LE for a client, but it doesn't eliminate it completely. As providers we don't want to be exposed any more than you do as a hobbiest, we all have family and friends and they are all not privy to our private dealings.
You are correct operating any business with out a business license is dicey at best, but the penalty for operating with out a license is much less then sex for hire penalties, and far more easy to explain.Once again I will say that verification is a necessary evil for both parties. As hobbiests you should verify that the provider you are seeing is indeed a legit, honest provider and vice versa for the providers to know who they invite in their door.
I know I loose many potential clients when they can not or will not be verified, but I am not in this business for the fast buck, I am in it for the long haul and regular clientel so I know that loosing a few is just part of the game. Those that are serious will provide some information to show that they aren't LE.
Again...My 10 cents worth lol
Peace,Passion and Love,
Malissa xoxoxo

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coyotefan21895 reads

BBW,

You of all people should know there is no need to verify. You worked in a public massage parlor where any Tom and Harry with a dick came in. Did you verify?

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jazz322109 reads

Assuming that he primary concern of the ladies is personal safety, and LE concerns lesser so.

A public massage parlor is just that, PUBLIC.  It is inherently safer to see strangers in a place where there are other providers and clients.  If someone crosses the line, someone else will know about it right away.

Compare that with incall, where the lady who doesn't verify, has no idea who is ringing her doorbell, or outcall where she has no who and what are on the other side of the door.

You are right that it is not perfect, but it does provide our lady friends at least a sense of security when dealing with someone new.

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redbbw0072150 reads

When I worked at the shop I couldn't verify all the clients that walked through the door. But I was somewhat protected by the business license that the establishment had and my massage therapist license. As far as the clients, I had to establish a way for myself to look for signs from the client that he wasn't LE, it was kind of like playing poker and looking for tells. In the 12+ years of working in the local massage parlors you develop instincts to protect yourself. I have had many undercover officers on my table in all those years and I was never arrested or ticketed for prostitution. But I followed my own rules to verify if they were LE or not, those that were on the table may not of known what I was looking for, but many a time I came out of that room and said, he is a cop, and with in two minutes they were in the loby telling us to open up for an inspection. No system is fail proof, and thats why most MP girls are so paranoid because they can't verify, but when you are working out of a private residence and clients aren't dropping by to see you, but calling or emailing ahead to set up an appointment, providers have the right to personal safety and get some background info on who is coming over. I am still a licensed therapist and I could forgo the whole verification process and just let anyone come over to my apartment and get a massage,and use my gut instincts with them, but why not stack the cards in my favor, by verifying them first. We can go round and round with this topic but overall, the ladies that want to be in business for a long time are going to verify and those that let greed take controll will just see any tom and harry with a dick to make a fast buck, and inturn expose themselves to more danger,and possible arrest because they have no other concerns than making that all mighty dollar.
Greed is the number one way to get yourself in trouble. When ladies are desperate to make money they will see anyone, drop their guard and make mistakes, mistakes that can cost them dearly. Why invite trouble, there is enough of it out there already. No matter what you say, I know verifying is a failsafe method that should be used by all providers working out there with out the protection of a shop or establishment.
This concludes my public service announcement lol:P
~M~

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coyotefan21859 reads

And the difference when they come to you or you to them? I assume you are a licensed masseuse? Giving a LEGAL massage is always am option if you are not comfortable.

IMHO, that is a much better option than taking the word of someone who may not have your best interest at heart.

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redbbw0072385 reads

If all I wanted to do was theraputic massage, I would of gone and worked at a clinic. I am an honest provider and I am not going to charge someone $200.00 and up for a massage that they can get at any local clinic for $80.00. That is dishonest. I would rather verify my clientel for my safety and their maximum pleasure with out any hassles of someone getting pissed at me because they expected and paid for something different. That is really asking for problems and I don't want a reputation of being a rip off.
As far as someone not having my best interest at heart, well I am lucky in the sense that I know alot of the local ladies and I do trust in them that they would pass along viable information when inquiring about a clients references. There has to be some kind of trust there or it just doesn't work, thats why most of us ask for at least two references, so we can get a few different points of view on potential clients.
~M~

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sedonaw2628 reads

If any of us are so "nul and void" to think that we are immune to LE "figuring us out" then WAKE UP.  You don't think they are reading these boards now (they are like a complex virus mutating and adapting) to OUR environment???  We should all have our screening processes.  How one would "customise" their screening should be curtailed to the individual:  #1 are you good at reading people? If you are not, and you are "stupid" and "obvious" then you welcome trouble. #2  Do you have a big mouth (not good) when you are setting up appointments?***anything you say can and WILL be used against you.  #3 acknowlegement that any LE that is dealing with busting sexworkers is on "shit detail".  That sucks. They are usually pretty obvious (unless you are impaired and can't see it).  LE works within the confines of the law (except in JOE'S case).  The people who enforce law have to exercise their "powers" to THE LETTER OF THE LAW (of course there are perversions of this on their side as well. IF I were LE (I've done too many naughty things that would come out in my background), I would like to be doing the cool shit like DPS (high speed chases and throwing out the tape with nails). Not "shit detail"- like victimless crimes. So don't get greedy.  Greed will also overide your PRECIOUS instincts. If you have no instincts then you might as well pack it in......  Head on down the road and call it a DAY. Bottom line of my ranting:  sexworkers+LE+(co-factor)adaptation= get a clue (instinct) or get eaten.

-- Modified on 6/25/2005 6:23:03 PM

-- Modified on 6/25/2005 6:36:03 PM

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azhacker1950 reads

I'm constantly amazed at the resistance to common sense and safety. The gals face very real risks that go far beyond "LE". Any reasonable steps that help provide for not only safety but peace of mind are fine with me. From the hobbiest side the same prudence applies. Learn to trust that funny feeling and just walk away if things arent right. Even better, just understand that 90 out of 100 times....if its to good to be true...it isn't.

We're all safer and better off if we play with our friends:)...

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moebius82947 reads

how much personal info is it acceptable to ask for? I remember a provider not too long ago who wanted your social security or drivers license so she could do a "background" check. when she told me that i started laughing so hard it took me forever to hang up on her cause i dropped the phone!
everyone has their limits for example you may be ok with giving your work phone and supervisors name along with your drivers license number, I am not and i have made peace with the fact that there are many many of the ladies who post here that i will never see.
I have heard way to many horror stories here in town for me to do anything else. Most of the guys i know in the hobby kjnow exactly the ones im talking about also.
if it came down to it i can always go work my asian fetish at the parlors where the limit of most conversation is "100 for everything, ok?"
im ok with that if it means i dont have to tell a complete stranger more info then i know about them.

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azhacker2217 reads

I certainly understand the "flip side" of the issue....but truthfully....I dont think I'd have any problem getting in to see any provider here in the valley with nothing beyond my references. Gals correct me here if I'm wrong on this....

Everybody needs to start somewhere....its mostly the "unknowns" that have to provide significant detail....once your a "known entity" then you'll be treated (good or bad) accordingly.

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Bonertime2422 reads

Right on Moebius8 !!   Could'nt agree more !!
Besides,  you don't think LE can get any ID they want ?   Or how about us ?   Would you like some websites for phony ID's ?   Get a clue, please !!
Bottom line :  Lets separate this board !!  Verifiers on one side and Non Verifiers on the other !!

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edensrose3092 reads

Verifying a potential client is just a part of the process and the reference MUST be a reputable provider who is viable and known,you also pickup info on the potential client to check against what he has told you. Not verifying is plain stupidity this is what LE or some one like you is hoping you will do and that puts you in danger, and that has been proven by those who have not done their homework and have walked into a sistuation where they have been busted,hurt,not paid, or even much worse. Exposing yourself by a meeting can also put you in danger as you don't have a clue who is out here.If giving 2 references is to much for you to do then you will just have to keep dialing till you find that trusting soul out there who says Come On In !!! Very Stupid !  

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moebius84146 reads

you see it goes both ways,there is a fine line we walk on both sides. you want horror stories, i got plenty. I know men who have been blackmailed, robbed and had money out right extorted from them because they gave up their work info. I know of indiscreet providers who have inadvertantly caused strain on marriages and family simply because the guy was too trusting and gave them their home phone numbers. Hell Rick Chance was murdered by an SWA lady and her "boyfriend" a couple of years ago. there is no right or wrong answer or even right or wrong people here. Its all shades of grey and you have to watch out for yourself. so be careful out there and do what you think you need to do to be secure.
As a ps if your going to use web forms for the love of pete do not have the info sent to you via an imap server and make sure the privacy policies of the companies your dealing with are hobby friendly!

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