Ladies and agencies...be very careful ..... I don't know if the recent scotsdale bust is true..BUT....from I can tell you from experience, busts do happen and for many reasons, you should clean the cache of you computer and your surfing history, and your old emails if no longer relevant....I can suggest a FREE program called crap cleaner
 www.ccleaner.com/  
this will free up the rememants of your surfing and computer history....it will not kill old emails.

Be careful out there.

D15

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completely with Dingus.

On Microsoft computers, when you delete a file or an email, Microsoft only zeros out the first two bytes of the filename or mail entry.  THE DATA ASSOCIATED WITH THE FILE IS STILL ON THE DISK AND CAN BE RECOVERED.  If you examine the contents of a disk drive you'll see the file name or email with the first two characters changed to zeros.  The pointer to where the data is physically located on the drive is still there and if you look at that location you will see the data.  Programs to examine the drives are readily available to anyone.

A program like the one Dingus recommended will remove the entire directory entry AND the data associated with the file.  It removes the data by writing over the data on the hard drive (i.e. effective shredding the data), making the data unrecoverable.  Of course, ccleaner has to be configured to remove the data, but you can rest assured that the removed data CANNOT BE RECOVERED.

As the old saying goes, it's better to be safe than sorry.

I have a two and a half year old iMac and I wondered if there are similar programs like the above described for the Macintosh? Does anyone have any idea and if there is, where may I find it and how much will it cost? Almost nothing is free for the Mac, so it's possible if one exists, I'll need to purchase it from the Apple store.

Thanks in advance for any and all help you may supply me (us) with.

Respectfully,

Megan

try http://www.securemac.com/eraser.php, or http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Security/Permanent-Eraser.shtml.  Just go to google and search for "MAC file eraser", there are quite a few.

And when can I see you again? I'm dying for some steak. It's been two seasons since I've seen you. Hope you are well, either way! Hope you also received the email I sent you recently.

Megan

Hope your health is improving with each passing day!

Thanks dingus for the great download!  I was really full of crap and didn't know it!

Criminal convictions are based on acts.  I'm unaware of anyone ever being convicted or even arrested simply for trying to make plans for a provider meeting.  (Of course, discussing specific details of an upcoming meeting is always a bad idea.)  

Last time I checked, there is still a constitutional freedom of association.  You have the right to meet with providers, and emails making such arrangements can't be the basis for taking action against you.  (You could be subject to questioning, of course, and if you're smart you would exercise your Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, and seek legal representation before answering ANY questions.)  However, ladies, if you are caught in one act, the evidence of you making plans for similar rendezvous is probably admissible.  So it's really the ladies, not us guys, who are at risk when computers are seized.

I have more trouble and some new and horrific viruses. Spybot and Spyware products seem to have been the worse products.

Hugs,
Ciara

from what I know of what happened, LE was contacted by noisy neighbors, LE watched her home, then came in with a warrant...Unless they suspected drugs, don't you have to be caught in the act.

Thank you for the info on the computer.

Terri

I asked specifically if there was a warrant. My understanding from certain people is that there was no arrest warrant for her, and there was no search warrant for her apartment.

She just let them in willingly and allowed them to take her computer and her telephone among other things.

LADIES, KNOW YOUR RIGHTS.

I can't answer that one because I'm a Linux user, I hate (I know that's a strong word) Microsoft and stay away from it because of problem like you're describing.  It looks like Sedona below loaded it and didn't have a problem, why don't you contact her .  Also Dingus seems to think it's okay.

PA Sorry for any spelling, punctuation, and grammar errors.

That's crazy, that's why I was wondering, seems like they have to have reasonable cause in order for the Judge to issue a search warrant much less issue a arrest warrant..  It seems they would have to have more proof other than just  nosy neighbors.

I have to believe more to the story than were getting.

Thanks you Tina

Everyone really you have to know what to do in a situation before it actually happens (God forbid)

Stay safe everyone!!!!
Terri

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There has to be probable cause to issue anything and in something as broad sweeping as this hobby, it would be difficult,at best,unless someone were extremely careless. My other senses tell me there was much, much involved here. And what kind of police department would bother to issue a warrent based on a noise complaint? So, simply keep your wits about you, be careful with information you keep and know what it is. An argument could be made for conspiracy charges with a simple exchange/confirmation of client information if they truly wanted to push a point. Is it an election year?

First of all, I don't believe they had a warrant, and I have not heard that allegation from anyone who said it less than third-hand.  A mere "suspicious activity" call from a neighbor will not usually be enough to get one, and I seriously doubt that any local agency has the resources to stake out one provider's incall, only to then release her without charges being filed.  The assumption that there was a warrant came from the fact that they threatened to break open the door if she didn't open it.  This calls for a little seminar:

A call from a neighbor gives the police "reasonable suspicion".  With that, they have the right to knock and ask you to open the door.  Depending on what they've been told, if you won't open the door but they know you're in there, that alone could raise their state of mind to a level that allows them to break in.  So, this provider should have opened the door, which she did.  What she should have done next is STOOD IN THE DOOR and politely not allowed them in.  She had a constitutional right to do so.  Without a warrant, the Supreme Court has said that they can't force their way in unless they have probable cause to believe a crime is in progress or evidence is being destroyed, and they need to enter to stop it.  She should have informed them that there is nothing illegal going on, and she should have stood there.  They had no evidence to the contrary.  She should have told them that she will call her attorney if necessary (and she, like all of you, should have one whom you know and can readily reach) to discuss the matter further if they wish.  She should have told them that, because she is doing nothing illegal, she has no obligation to answer their questions.  She should have then asked them to leave.

In general, my opinion is that yes, you do have to be caught in the act when it comes to a victimless crime.  I know we have some lawyers on the board with more experience than me, and I'd welcome further comments.

Finally, I have to point out that the provider community overreacted to this.  I've now learned that one of the names that supposedly came up when she chatted with police is a name shared by two different providers, and it's not the one everybody apparently thought.  In addition, there appears to be NO REASON to distrust each other, ladies, because as far as I can tell, there is no credible information that any of your sisters have said anything incriminating about anybody.  This appears to have merely been a case of nosey neighbors complaining, a provider being too cooperative with the investigating officers, and the provider's girlfriend exaggerating her description of the circumstances to a hobbyist with a big mailing list.  That's about it, as far as I can tell.

Be careful out there.

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and yes ladies we have to trust each other and watch each others back...I don't care how much you may dislike someone YOU just cannot sell them out...This is very serious you wouldn't want this to happen to you!!!!

Like AZlawman said we are sisters.

Take care all play safe
Terri

that so many people are quick to jump on the bandwagon and flame someone, even without evidence. I think until information is obtained, no one should worry about a provider ratting on another provider. Protect yourselves, ladies. This example is also another reason why it's so important to not make waves in this community.

I've heard so many times from clients about providers saying things about other providers, especially inaccurate information.  Everyone needs to look out for each other, YES, but primarily just keep those traps shuts.

Hugs,
Ciara

I agree with AZlawman.  And there is no possible way of LE proving that anyone that has sent e-mails to a provider to set up an appointment that you did anything illegal.  Escort in its self is legal and you are just spending time with a provider.  If they seized her computer without a warrant or probable cause then it will be thrown out of court anyways.  Look at how many times legitement evidence is thrown out of court because it wasn't obtain legally.  Cops are corrupt but they still have to fallow the law and we as citizens or even legal immagrants of this country still have rights and freedoms.  This isn't a communist country yet....

providers talking about other providers to clients, that's just not right..
If we providers are looking out for each other and if we care about what I consider a sisterhood we should be letting the provider know what's being said behind her back so she can get to the bottom of it and set the individuals straight.

I personally feel things have been said about me, I'm not sure, I can sense it just from the responses I get when I post here...usually nothing from the regulars here except you and Megan, Roxanne, Candy, Jordan and just a few men.
No big deal, I will still post and I know who my friends are.
End of my rant.

Terri

I'm not going to worry about it. The people who know me know that I'm a good person and respectful, and they also know I'd never gossip about anyone. I also know for a fact that a few ladies have spoken badly about other providers and you know what? The gossip always gets back to the person being talked about. It's so silly, childish and hurtful, especially coming from providers that are supposedly well rated and professional. Yea, right! But then again, I've found a lot of childishness in this profession as well as good people. There's always something, no matter what profession. That's why I keep my distance from a lot of people. Actually, I've never heard anything bad about you, and no one should be talking about me, because I've always kept to myself and don't frequent parties, so therefore no one (except clients that I'm always nice to) knows me or should be talking about me. So, you know what . . . Don't worry, girlfriend. Good things happen to good people and kharma always evens things out, naturally.  

Hugs,
Ciara

Ladies, for added security you should consider PGP tray.  The program will allow you to reserve a portion of your hard drive which can only be accessed with a user generated key.  This key can be several pages long or a specific document such as the US Constitution.  The key can be a combination of both text and graphics.  The key can be stored on a USB memory card.  Without the key, no one will be able to access the information on this section of the hard drive with out actually using an eletron microscope to read the tracks on the drive.  This is a very costly and lengthy process.  The only kicker is the key must be secured and unavailable to other parties.

In addition, it would be helpful to use a program like x-cleaner from x-block.com to clear your internet and temporary memory caches.  The program deletes all temporary files during start up and scans for spy and malware.  If files are moved to your trash bin or deleted, the program will completely remove these files from the hard drive, but the scan has to done manually or the system needs to be restarted.  

I use both programs for my business laptops to secure any confidential information.  No problems were encountered during my use.  The only problem is the free download versions of the software do not offer full protection.  A subscription to the software provides complete protection.