This CL run around is on its usual track, seem about every 3-4 months we go through the same thing.  Problem is its usually the providers getting hurt buy it and more division and drama developes.  
   OK, Glenn want the girl who use CL off if site or they must stop using CL.  His site, his
call.  I think its a dumb move but is call. A lot
of the ladies on his site have use or have used
cl (and not all that long ago. You will see 1 or 2
suprises show up for a day and then be pulled)and
they are now forced in to a decison that if they stay they will be making again when the money gets tight or going and lose an advertizing spot that will cost them. Well, unfortunately thats the way it is.

  The 2 things getting to me is

 1. This constent idea that if you CL is the big safety problem.  Fact is that there is a safety problem every where !!!!  The hits that CL takes
seem to be more because when it happens to CL every one hits the key board to talk about it, especially the bashers.  If you take a look at most of the big busts over the last 2-3 years
they have been agencys or independents who advertise on lots of sites (even just private sites.   The ladies do there best at being careful
but it doesn't always work.  So its up to every hobbist to do his own checking and take his own chance (most of the time he will blame every body but himself anyway if he is careless and get caught).  The Ladies are ALLWAYS takeing the bigger risk and having the hard time. Do you have any Idea how hard it is for a Lady to get referances out of guy that think she should take all the risk !!!!  And thats at all sites !!! If they are watching one site, they are watching ALL sites.  and Men, you may think you are important but when it comes now to it it is the Ladies they are after the most (unless you shop the street).
So when they are trying to protect them selves
realize you are the man and you are doing the asking!!!! Show a little of those pair when you are asked questions.  Simple fact is all sites have risk, mostly to the Ladies, basisic safety
is in play always.  If the lady feels uncomfortable pass him up,  an if you get passed up and you are strait it be cause YOU made her nervous or need to work on your intro.

 2. This class crap.  If you are on cl you are low class. Sorry, thats you thinking that is low
class.  All ladies start some where.  They do the best they can and are always trying to improve. A very large number a single parents working harder at that then most jobs out there.  Their money goes fast and the end of the month comes faster.
Most all would love to have thier own site and most all of them would like to move to a better job.  They don't have the money for either.
 As has been pointed out many ladies know to us have used CL at one time or another are they Low Class or is that only when they do it ?  If you read some reviews on some ladies who are on City and Eros that list them self as high class there reviews don't show it.
  All occupations have bad apples, trouble makers, and assholes. this job is no different. That is different is that is harder, more dangerous, and harder to make money in than most other jobs.  For the most part each month is a crap shoot as to the money.  Think of going to work each day with a possiblity of some one you meet try to put cuffs on you or worse.  No monthly or bi-weekly pay check.  Your looking at the phone wondering is you can make the next bills on some months.  You spend money on a baby sitter for a no-show or drive across the valley to have a door never open.

 Hey, you learn to advertize any way you can when you have to and there is no Low Class or High Class to it.

  How many of you ladies really think you are getting what you are worth (sorry to put that way because I see you good Ladies out there as a treasure to our valley and that can't be measured in "worth" as with out you this would be one lousey place to live).  If you are good I know your not getting the value the guy is.  (I been in this game for more than 30 yrs I use my eyes and ears not my mouth -- when dressed-- and I have seen enough to know what I say is the real
thing and know a lot of great ladies)

  Watch out for the Class stuff, it is used as a divider.  I know its not always easy to drop the drama between some Ladies but over and above it you better learn to support and back each other up.  If you split and work against each other what
is the next demand on you individual rights and
dreams will you forfit ????

  Getting Late

 To all you Ladies in the valley, Thank you for
who you are and what you do for us.  We ae luckier that we know.  Please be careful, safe
and may you profit greatly for what you bring to us.

 Best Wishes

   MontanaTaurus

Well said Mya....

Well said Mya, however a couple of threads earlier are mentioning class and that CL is low class and AZCandy brought this up in her messages too. Just pointing this out.

When it comes down to it, it is about making the ends meet at the end of the month, and we all do what we can do be able to. I don't think it matter where you advetise or where you get yoru clients from, it is how you screen, and how you take care of the gentlemen that matters, and then you will get a solid reputation. It isn't that hard actually, you just need to have good ethics when it comes down to it and actually enjoy what you are doing. Some girls never will, and they will soon be gone. Enjoy what you do is a big part of getting a good reputation. Like with any other job. People can see through it and then you are history.

Let us advertise where ever we want, let's us keep the standards high, and for god's sake, let's work together. We are fighting the rest of the world to be able to do this, why fight among us? Let's have fun and let's do what we do best

By the way I think LE is everywhere, are we so oblivious to think that we are smarter than them? That they don't know what we do? Is any site exempted from this? nahh...they know about every site there is, so it does come down to good screening, going with your gut feeling and being careful. A lot of ladies on CL doesn't screen and they are the ones getting busted. A sting is different, where they have done their research for a very long perod of time...I am sure we all remember 2003 and in the end all cases was thrown out by the court. No one is totally safe, no matter screening or not. If you want to be totally safe, then we need to get out of the business, however we can do things to eliminate risks and be a little safer. But it doesn't matter where we advertise...LE is everywhere.

Have fun and be safe!!

Anna

that all the gals on glenns site who also advertised on CL (or elsewhere) are scammers and ripoff artists? You are so full of crap on this...what this is simply RPN (the gals group) playing hardball with Glenn and the newcomers to the market. Nothing more and nothing less. The Rip-off was Sarah Jean who never advertised on Glenns site ever. Your taking a single gals action and using it as an explanation for your actions.

Trust me, going beyond the little clique here an awful lot of folks got the point. I'm all for weeding out the bad eggs and protecting everyones safety. The community as a whole does that....primarily the folks who pay the bills. Thats us "the hobbiests"...the guy who outed Sarah Jean is the one who protected me and the others from a real problem. All you and the others are doing is trying to protect your little slice of the pie with a bunch of bullshit, lies and inuendo.

No, I learned from you........

I have zero beef with anyone defending there turf. And if you read my comments I'm the 1st to say that more often then not you'll get what you pay for. However, I resent "you" trying to influence what 411 and options I have available to me. Once you gals decided to put the pressure on glenn (for purely economic reasons as far as i'm concerned) I feel you crossed the line. So I've said so (repeatedly:!). So now a guy could actually be in harms way because 411 was removed. Or instead of seeing a "2nd tier" gal who would have been on glenns site because she IS safe....now he's going to have to weed thru the options elsewhere. So you didnt make the world safer for anyone...

By all means run YOUR business your way. See who you want, charge what you want, trust references from who you will. But recognize that in the end the markets going to set the realities. Those who can (like me) will continue to utilize the higher end indies and agencies....and those who cant will still fish CL and elsewhere. You just made it a tougher reality thru your pettyminded selfishness.

Re:No, I learned from you........

I am NOT trying to contoll 411 or influence pricing . Bottom line I want all of the providers to stay safe. Mya feels the same way she has always went out of her way to help the new providers. As you know just because someone charges more it does not make them any better.Everyone of us has paid our dues.....

It is all up to each one of us to keep the community safe and free from scammers/rip-offs and bad clients. It has nothing to do with where we advertise.

...no one has posted on RPN in a VERY, VERY long time.  There isn't a RPN anymore.

Sorry Mya and Victoria, You are both Great ladys and very fine providers but the main points were

 1. If a provider advertizes on CL she must leave 411.

 2. Advertizement is YOUR ability to have a business, with out it you LOSE Money and Money the the reason for the business.  

 3.  Not all providers can afford ads on 3 or 4
provider pay sites.

 4. It is agreed that Glenn has the right to do this and it legally correct but is it right?

 5.  It is agree(I think) that NO site is totally safe to either party.

 6. It is up to both provider and hobbist to be
careful and do their research.

  as for the Mentioning of class and cohesive. You had best read back, the term "Low Class" has been used several times when CL has Come up along
with other laughs about the mug shot pictures of Ladies busted(see "another CL bust" around 9/15)  and other remarks so I have trouble with your play for Cohesive family.  I have no doubt most of the ladies would like a closer group but thier are many OTHER reason that come in to play that
seem to come in to play that prevents that.  
 You will never get rid of the Cash and Dash or the rip off any more than you will get rid of the
FEW Ladies who advertize on several pay sites but
if you look at thier reviews on TER you find 1-4
and some poor comment you will not find many Ladies on CL. As for agencies, sorry,  I know some are good agencies but I have hear too many stories by ladies I know to be wholly honest and why is "Independent" such a prize term used by the "top" providers.  How many of you who were with and agency but now independent are running back to be on an agency list?  I've heard as much bad things about some agencies so who in the "UNIT" is going after them???

 Uh... "Branded" that a odd term ... I still don't get it .... unless the ladies and agencies get a "Phoenix Provider Seal of Approval" ot there ?


  Back to the begining, the point is the Ladies
should be able to advertise on any board they can (paid or free).  If There is real cause to remove them, fine, but where they advertise is not cause.

  I do appoligize if you are offended by what I have said. As I said you Ladies have good solid reputations for honestly and service.  I am glad you are here, I just disagree with your statements.  Hope you understand.

 Best wishes to all the ladies out there and may it be a profitable Fall.

 MontanaTaurus

Here it is in a nutshell. The ladies from CL do not command higher rates because they have not really established themselves yet. The providers with higher rates see this as an economic issue. If the hobbyist can get 3 sessions for his extra funds as opposed to seeing only one provider for that same amount then these providers with higher rate incomes can and will be less. By taking the providers with lower rate out of the mix, they can continue with business as usual & not be concerned about a provider with lower rates getting the business that they might normally get.
Think of it like O.P.E.C, they dictate what our oil prices because there is no one out there that can produce the oil we need as a whole for less. However, if we went to another form of fuel that would be less expensive & abundant, why would we pay higher prices to get the same thing?
It’s all-relevant to what is going on here. Providers with higher rates do not want their income compromised by a provider that charges much less than they do.
Granted, those that charge more may say something to the effect that they spend time at the beauty parlor, the spa or gym to look well for the men & that they do so much maintenance on themselves for the sake of the hobbyist. This way when they charge the higher rates, it makes it worth it for the hobbyist who pays it. Helps create or set the fantasy.
Where as the provider who charges much less may not have the opportunity to do all those things yet because they are not quite to that level yet. Yet many of the providers that charge a lower rate sure can create a fantasy that will blow your mind.
The providers that charge the higher rates just need to remember where they started at that’s all. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for listening.

If we are trying to protect ourselves from rip offs, cash and dash; and scam artist then Glenn should evaluate the girls that also advertise EROS and CityVibe as well. I would venture to say that 40% of EROS is a scam. Ive been burned from that site more than all others combined. Cityvibe is a close second. Why is ther no mention of those sites?

Well I feel any women should post where ever she likes.As far as price well price doesn't mark the class of the lady. I feel gentelmen are in need of either listeaning to them, or maybe just they need to have someone make them laught and enjoy thier time with a lady. I know I posted that I won't be seing anyone but I would still love to see some of my reg. Heres my number at 602 459 3414 any time. Come on you guys lets not be snobs. Can't we except people for being nice or mean and not by how much money they have or charge. Just my option Janna Saphire

Your not going to change the prevailing viewpoint here. I wont even try its not worth the bandwidth.
Personally i have never needed 411, hell i avoided it as a matter of principle.

i would let it go theres no battle here, just keep on hobbying the way you choose to.

I do believe your correct that this argument has everything to do with the dead prezzies and nothing to do with the safety strawman, let 'em go on, the gullible and weak minded will follow the herd irregardless of anything you or i say.