I made a very tactful reasoned appeal regarding a performance score adjustment to my most recent review.  For the record it was downgraded from a 10 to a 9.  And this is the horseshit response I received from the support staff.  Thanks for nothing TER!!!

"We can''t re post the old review, as it is more than 3 months old, nor can we amend our policy to fit your own personal agenda.

Thank you for the support,
--TER Support Staff"

nice to see they're forcing some fact into this fiction......

The only fiction around here is your misconception that anyone may be interested in anything you have to say.

cares what you think?. I didnt tell you you lost your objectivity....the mod did. Basically it looks like it was just a shill review anyway to me. You just interviewed the same gal less then 6 months ago. I'm all for you or TC or anyone else thumping the drum for whoever you feel like. But it seems to me you both see the same gals and write the same basic stuff...so your just another "secret group" shilling your fav's while you dump on everyone else.

That's directed at both of you.  Please keep it civil a polite, gentlemen.

Now on to the legitimate issue of score modification.  My understanding is that the downgrading of scores is NOT because TER thinks you're subjective...hell, the entire process is subjective!  There are guidelines, based on services offered by the provider.  If she doesn't offer enough services, there is a cap on the score they'll post.  Hopefully Dingus can jump in on this one.

I've heard of several guys whose earlier reviews were pulled when they filed new ones.  I thought that was the procedure, so AzNoon, you may actually be lucky to have two of the same lady posted at once!

Still, isn't it legit to review a provider again, over time, to compare and contrast the experience? These ladies undoubtedly evolve in the styles and skills.  I think it's a jump in logic to assume that a review has no value just because the guy posted one previously.

aznoon response to you was perfect.  Who cares what you think?

Everyone needs to lighten up and relax.Take a deep breathe and then go get laid.

Your absolutely entitled to your opinion on any given provider....and so am I. This had nothing do do with you....or the provider....or even aznoon. He complained publically about a review and I responded to him...publically.

Just because the two of you attempt to hide behind some type of intellectual high ground on the issue of "looks" doesnt make it any less valid as a review critieria. It's funny both of you use almost identical phrases in articulating why you object to the "looks" rating system and attempt to cast anyone who relies on it as somehow inferior. The bottom line is that not everyone feels like you do and that we all have the right to voice our opinion.

My thoughts are mine and i'll continue to voice them here as I see fit. I have no issue with you voicing your either. Continuing this useless series of attacks benifits no one. Since you dont seem able to simply agree to disagree hopefully you;ll eventually move on or be muzzled...

and a second review is warranted if the experience is significantly different then the 1st. I think the logic is that over time the girls tend to get better and that an early review wont due a gal justice once she's found her stride. Aznoons 1st review was an 8,10...his second was as well (before it got downgraded).

My point was that this is a review of an ATF with in 6 months of the prior one. Basically nothing but a "shill" review (which I have no problem with per se).

The real underlying point is exactly what you brought up....THERE ARE GUIDELINES.

First of I generally don’t read Azhacker’s posts but as he was addressing me directly I responded.  I didn’t read his second (and now I see third) post because well... what point is there; besides I’m sure he had nothing but good things to say in his usual civil and polite way.  Guess I should follow my own reading advice and will be doing so in the future.

You will find I’m extraordinarily polite and always a gentlemen.  My frustration is not a result of not having my way as much as it is the dismissive nature of the response that angered me.  I took the time to fully explain why I was concerned about the scoring change, even acknowledge that by the book it should have been.  Even before submitting, knew that it probably would be.  But as a paying member who took the time raise the question I think it deserves a little more consideration than the off hand rude response it received.  My opinion (not an agenda) in a nutshell is many of the Ladies are capable of providing a 10 service without all the perk points.  I take my time to read beyond the numbers and research.  Luckily it pays off for me as a 10 experience.  It is just sad that it is diminished in the record because of the ABC’s of detail.  Subjective as it is there is no fantasy or falsity in my 10’s and I stand behind what I write and say.  I also feel if you choose to see the same Lady frequently it says something special about her which may be an important factor in the decision process of others.

I probably have seen MJ close to 50 times. I also have no issue with your giving anyone a "10" on performance....within the guidelines. Whats funny to me is that I'll read any comment (relevent to me) that you care to take the time to write. Thats the real cornerstone of argument (or debate). How can you argue if you dont give the otherside the courtesy of legitimacy? I'm actually very civil 99% of the time....I'm just blunt and to the point. I dont see how you can call your original post on this thread (or your response to me) polite or gentlemanly? Your issue should have been submitted to Dingus privately to start with. Once you made it public you invited response. Your opening tone dictated my response given your continued sniping at my "objectivity". Your perfectly at home callously painting me in a particular role (when you acknowledge not even reading my stuff) however when I point out that you are in fact shilling for your ATF (which is fine with me) you ignore the observation and attack the source instead.

Yes, I am entitled to my opinion, and would you like me to tell you my opinion of you?  My opinion is you are completely void of any manors, civility, or respect of anyone, male or female.  You chastise anyone you feel is inferior to you, and your certain than no one could possibly be superior.

You have insulted ALL the ladies of Phoenix because you feel you're superior.  And you are anything but.  Now either

Apologize or SHUT UP!!!

or an insult, to have hacker place you and I in the same catagory.  Should we take that as a compliment?

Now Apologize to the ladies of Phoenix or

SHUT UP!!!

your the one acting with out any civility. This BBS exists for the exchange of information. The fact that you take issue with my viewpoint doesnt diminish my right to voice it. Or give you the right to moderate it.....

My earlier thread was an attempt to eliminate the lies, distortion and personal attacks and to focus on any legitimate areas for "debate". It's clear that you have no relevent issues to address but simply feel the need to wage an ongoing series of personal attacks. Numerous contributers have asked both of us to cease and desist. I have ignored follow up posts accordingly however its obvious that you intend to ignore the wishes of the community as a whole and continue this foolishness....

I do not see how the BBS benifits from you (or anyone else) being muzzled. It's time th end this BS until the next time we find something to disagree about....

to end this BS.  You want to hide behind your monitor and sling arrows at anyone or anything you feel does not meet some self-appointed guideline you've created.  It's because of you, hacker, that the ladies have stopped posting, and I for one sorely miss them.  No one else wants to face you, but you do not intimate me in the least.

You need to move in front of that monitor and become a Man by Apologizing or just SHUT UP!!!

Please clarify that comment for me TC, it sounds like you've truely made this personal. Obviously you have some serious personal issues to work thru and need to take a good hard look at things.

I've been in computers for 40 years and a monitor is the CRT and keyboard on your computer.

That's the best idea I've seen in this thread.

or take this offline..

Trust me, I'm trying.....

I thought it took two....but it seems only one is required

Apologizing or SHUTTING UP!!!!

Well I thought I had a point... but it just must be the one on top of my head.  For any of those who may care I’m deeply sorry for starting this thread.

I believe the idea of the downgrading of reviews is a valid topic for discussion, and really the best way for TPTB on TER to know what the reviewers and readers think about it.

As to the idea that it should have been taken to Mr Dingus in private...I am not sure why that would be.  Moderators have no control or influence over the posting or downgrading of reviews, they have moderator privledges over their respective boards only, so unless Mr Noon wanted to chat with Mr Dingus and him alone about something Mr Dingus has no control over I don't see why he should have PMed him instaed of posting.

I personally don't fully understand the impetus for the downgrading of review scores, nor do I agree with it's practice.  That  alady that gives an exceptional session but doesn't have the "extras" that qualify for anything over, by TER guidlines, a 7...and receives the same score then as a lady that gives a "7" performace seems counter productive to me.

In the advanced search of reviews, on can search on services and by review scores...but if all that person wants is  session sans the "extras" but "10" performance, he will find no ladies that actually only offer what he seeks that perform at a "10" level.  He will only find ladies that offer those "extras" he isn't looking for anyway, and by that perhaps higher rates due to those "extras".

Since the services offered are listed in a lady's profile, why then can't her score not simply reflect her performance for those services instead of being downgraded?  The rate downgrading, I have been told, also influences some ladies to offer services that they are less than comfortable with simply to qualify for the higher scores.

As for downgrading a repeat review, if TER  had such issues with repeat reviews they should disallow them, since they don't disallow them , I don't see why anyone should be chastised or dismissed, or anything else for making one.  If it isn't sufficiently different from the previous review it can simply be refused on those grounds.  

If TER had an issue with frequency of re-reviews then make a rule about that and deny a re-review on those grounds...but to downgrade a score on an apparently arbitrary standard actually would seem to undermine the concept of the review in it's entirety.  When someone that wasn't in the session, perhapos has never seen the lady, or know who she is can say she doesn't deserve the score given by the person that was in the sessionit makes those review scores meaningless...this seems even more arbitrary if the Lady's services and offereings remained the same, but qualified for a "10" in a previous review but have been deemed by one with no actually knowledge of the session a "9" this time...

So, take the relative value (from none to quite a bit) based on the concept of YMMV and downgrading based on services, and add to it an arbitrary downgrading from someone that wasn't involved in  any way in the session...and what value is there even left to reviews at all?

Myabe I'm stupid, or crazy....or both...probably both, but I think that is a valid topic of discussion.

and I take offense to azhacker calling your reviews for your ATF no more than a shill.

I'm sorry but nothing states that your only allowed 1 review per person.
I take my reviews with seriousness, this is part of my business, I give a utmost quality, sincere, and honest service, When I say I Love What I Do, I mean that.

Your reviews and all the other ones I receive are honest ones, no fake ones there...guaranteed.
I don't ask for them, often times I don't know who the person is only because I don't ask for there TER handle in most cases.

The review in questions should have been a 10 according to all the rules that TER require and someone behind a desk felt not...We as member should be able to question the reasons and it should be more of an answer than what was given and that was the reason aznoon wrote this post.

AZnoons review was not a shill I never gave him a discount and nor do I give anyone a discount for promos on this board.

kisses, if anyone gives a hoot!!!
Terri

There are actually some criteria that the Gnomes of TER use for adjusting ratings.  I don't think it includes their personal opinions.  For this review, the following excerpts might have been used:

7. In order to keep our performance ratings consistent, we set up the following system: An escort provider may only earn up to a 7, unless she also performs the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, Anal Sex, or More than One Guy. The addition of each offering will raise her score by one point. If your review doesn't already accurately reflect this rating system, we will adjust it.

8. You may also submit an update on a provider that you have already reviewed. We will replace your old review, but you won’t be credited for an additional 15 days. Your new review must be a complete rewrite that adds something new to the experience in order for it to replace the old one.

9. Each review must recount a visit that took place within the last three months in order to be timely. A lot can change with a provider - even in this relatively short amount of time.

My gripe is that azhacker questioned and made a conculison that this was a shill reivew, anyway so the review dosen'mean a thing.
Because he may be my atf and only see's the same people.

I stand by my previouse post "it was not a shill reivew"
Terri

good lord go see your obgyn and get some meds for those pms issues your having.

ie your crying like a girl you cheerlead like one too.....

Your absolutely correct on your statements, I have read many of the 10 reviews on different providers and many of them should have probably downgraded to a 9, it makes you wonder who is sitting behind the desk approving them.

Also another note, I have heard that when a review has been downgraded, and the reviewer has had another review posted, he's not even allowed to have the current one removed (the one that was downgraded by the staff at ter)

Talk about reviews being manipulated, it's real bad when it's not even a hobbyist.

I dont see why you would find my comment offensive. How is a repeat review that is for all intents identical not a "shill"? As I've stated I have no issue with anyone promoting a favorite, further I in no way insinuated that the review was false or less then honest. I agree that shill is basically a plug or a promo and see no problem in providing one as long as you are doing so out of gratitude for outstanding service and not other considerations.

One of the review rules states that each review much mention that the provider "performed during the session" at least 3 of the "bonus" items (BBBJ, Greek, CIM, 2girl, French, 2guy) to be eligible for a 10 on performance.

Therefore, guys, if you think your lady was a 10 on performance by TER standards, it's not enough that she does those things for others, I think she has to do them for you, and your review has to say so!

That's just my guess.  If you really want to know, you'll have to ask a TER Gnome.

I agree with you that the "shill" reference was unfair, inaccurate and rude.  'Nuf said.

these rules are not consistantly enforced.

I've posted two 10 reviews, one of which, according to the rules should have been downgraded, but was't.  

One included of the 6 "magic" elements, DFK and BBBJ, the other was with a lady whose profile is 6 for 6, but my didn't include all 6.

It seems unfair that the lady's profile, which who knows when they were last updated based on recent reviews, has as much influence on the review being downgraded, as the description of the event itself.

Everyone knows that the profile

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