I got a phone call from a gent to day informing that his wife called me. I said "She did?" Now I had a few issues with my phone this morning and had not received the call directly- but minutes later on my voice mail I heard several messages from the wife. All the messages escalating as time went by. It went from a please return my call to you Fucking Bitch to I know who you are I have all your info and I am going to report you. So here is this guy on my phone asking me for my discretion as he would like to come see me soon. Ha! Talk about rubbing salt in a wound.

This is my response to him just in case he is reading the boards today while he sits at home watching his kids cause his wife is out on a rampage-

First of all you were the one who left my info (name, number, e-mail, web address, favorite position, who knows what else) laying around for your wife to find.

Second- I want to guarantee you I will not be seeing you ever again and if I can help it neither will anyone else. This is directly due to your lack of discretion.

Third although you may have to deal with the fall out of an angry woman. Your sheer stupidity and carelessness has forced me to deal with it as well.

Fourth- you need to be the one to handle this with her not me. You cheated on her not me. You made the vows not me.

Fifth- if anything happens to me because of this- and yes this is a threat in case you weren't bright enough to figure it out- Trust me I will take you down with me. So keep your mouth shut and I will keep mine shut. Nothing can be proved if no one was there to see it and no one who was there admits to anything.

Gents as you can see hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Please be discreet as you would want me to be. Never leave info lying around the house or even your car.

Finally- just to let you all know I will be pulling my site off line for a few days effective ASAP. Yes, I am concerned about what is going on- who knows if anything will even happen- most likely not. I am sure after the little discussion I had with her she is not as angry with me as she was before and is now just pissed that she has a hubbie who was thinking about seeing an escort or just calls and wacks off to escorts over the phone.

Thank God I just moved into a new incall this month. New Beginnings- Right?

If any of you ladies want the number I will send it to you PM me here or reach me at [email protected]

Do not let him put you through this.



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no matter what. A woman calls me, (even other providers for references) and it catches me off guard a bit until identity is cleared.

I don't think "Having a little discussion" with the wife was or is ever a good idea. I also don't think threatening someone on the board shows much for your character. I would have handled it differently.

Look he called me and she called me- I know you say you would have done things differently- Then again you are not me and you are not in my shoes to judge me or my reactions to something going on in my life.  

I just expect him to keep his mouth shut and get his wife off my back- I feel he owes me that. If he had been discreet I wouldn't have ever had a problem. I wasn't the one calling him at home after he saw me, or e-mailing him messages, I wasn't programing my number in his phone, or writing him notes with all my contact information on it.

I figured I was going to have to "chat" with her anyway- She only called a zillion times and it became clear avoiding her was not an option- not to mention it escalated the situation - she thought I was avoiding her because I was guilty. Why do you think he called me to ask me to be discreet?

As far as my character being in question- Honey I am mad and you were only right about one thing, maybe I shouldn't have threatened him (you know it was actually an empty threat as I was venting,  it was wrong no excuse), but at least I had the courage to face things head on and not hide behind an alias and make judgements about something and someone I know nothing about.

As far as my "chat" I simply told her I had never seen him- didn't know who he was- yes I was an escort as she already knew, no he hadn't called me- maybe he was thinking about it- maybe they were having problems- maybe he was having fantasies about her and another woman, maybe he was prank calling girls and getting off, or looking at pictures, but that was between them not me and them. I hope everything works out for you two. Just realize it has nothing to do with me.  

Does that change you stance on my character- which I assure you is rock solid to the core- genuine me. A great provider- a great woman.

The original post was posted as a reminder of all the blah that providers have to go through  because someone else is not careful and to remind the gents to double-triple check themselves on the manner in which they hobby and hopefully ensure that it doesn't happen to someone else not to become an I am better than you high school debate.

In this small tight knit community I decide to tell it before things got twisted and distorted out of control.






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YES, he was an idiot for leaving the evidence in plain site. If a hobbyist is married, he better be DAMN careful of his extra curricular affairs. Shame on him!! Now, the provider should never complain when one of your professional pitfalls actually occurs. AS a provider YOU know the pros and cons of YOUR business, and honey this is one of them. Do your venting in private, and don't threaten the hand that feed you. IN feel sorry that you have been nagged at by the wife, but you should have expected this could have happended. Just like you might get recognized by a client or a TER member who has visited your site. This Board is not the place for threats.

as a business owner i understand how you feel.

as an attorney (who is not offering specific legal advice) you would be wise not to post anymore details than you have already, which is far too much. youre getting yourself in deeper than you realize.

good luck

Your first post is definately written while you were in a "scorned" state of mind.  If I am reading your second post correctly, you state that some of things you put in your first post...you didn't really do and you probably wrote it because you were very upset.  As a provider I find it hard to believe that this hasn't happened to you before or that you haven't thought of how to handle it.  Mya's posted a good way that you could have handled it and probably got the last laugh...by putting him on the spot to buy something expense for his wife.  Another possibility is blocking his or her phone #s.
 
I find some interesting similarities with what you went through and what some men have experienced with a provider that wouldn't let them alone ( for whatever the reason).  As a provider, you can go UTR for awhile and if need be, change your phone #s and your life pretty much goes on.  Even the remote possibility of encountering a "scorned provider" is why most men will not give out too much info to providers, especially where they work, as this could end up costing them their job and family.

Change of subject for a brief moment, Something postive via then negative.. I love the new site, and pictures Mya!

and make counter accusations.  Never admit ANYTHING.  "I've never heard of this guy your talking about and if you keep calling me I am going to report your harassment to the police."  I've done this before and it nipped it in the butt without creating a huge scene (which makes you look bad in the long run). All of us have to learn from our mistakes. I've "foobarred" up when a wife called me before.  I really feel sorry for the guy that I messed it up for (even though he was the one who broke his vows).  Just pick yourself up, dust off, and chalk it up to experience

remember the phrases used by william jefferson clinton     i did not have sex with that woman or depends what your definition of what "is" is!!!

I don't think that passing judgement on somebody else's character while hiding behind an alias name says very much for your character either.  She was handling the situation in the best way that she felt comfortable with. I applaud her for not only being up front with the situation but for also offering the info to other providers so that they could avoid the same possible situation and reminding the guys of how important discretion is ;o)

Apparently you don't 'always keep your mouth shut no matter what'. LOL

That's a great idea and probably would have worked like a charm... if the wife hadn't also found her escort website addy first.

Always deny it and/or tell her politely that she has the wrong number and hang up.

Hugs,
Ciara

One time or another. I have recently had a women call me up asking for my name. Normally i don't recieve to many female calls, so when one does call, i ask if they need their computer fixed, or if they are looking for my husband. ( I reaaly don't have a husband), but with this said, it eases the lady to think that maybe it was just a man that their husband was calling. It's worked for me, fortunately this has only happened twice.

Christina xox

Let's be realistic- maybe I could have maybe I should have handled things differently- I am not perfect and never claimed to be so. At this point I am just fed up with the drama and the nasty voicemail- yes I even had a one from a girl in the industry who thought it was funny and I got what was coming to me- which just verifies you are really not someone I whos opinion I value.

What was an issue I was trying to make people aware of- An issue concerning the safety of us all has become a Pissing Match and a Vicious War of Words. So you are better than me and you handle things better than me? Kudos to you. Do you feel better about yourself now too? Next time something happens your behavior suggests that I say nothing and let someone else fall victim to the same circumstance. That I be selfish and cruel and look out for myself only. That I not sacrifice myself and my reputation for what I believe is the greater good, but that I remain a shadow in the background with no alliances and no conscence. That I share no information that I feel is vital to the welfare of you as a person.

To those of you who think your actions would be or are superior, wether you have had to take them or not- great you take them. I wasn't asking for advice- I was trying to forwarn you of a gent who wasn't very good at keeping info under wraps. Which by the way I would like to mention not one Provider has asked for. I thought we were suposed to look out for each other.

To the rest thanks for the support and understanding- I will miss you on my travels.

I posted this here initially because I had a few gentlemen I know calling me and asking me what was happening- if I was okay- etc. The news was already out. The rumor mill was beginning to grind.

I came here with the courage to try to keep things from getting twisted even further by being honest about my situation. Funny thing is they still got twisted just in a differnet direction- instead of me being under investigation or under arrest because a jealous wife turned me in I am now a provider who talks to wives and tells all. Do you hear it now? The noise is deafening the rumors are growing. Can you feel the anticipation? Do you like it Baby?

This disgusts me-

I just want the ladies that responded to ask themselves quitely and honestly what would they seriously do when confronted with a wife who had done her research- pulled up your site on line- looked at your pics, pulled her hubbies phone records and found your number dialed? Oh course you can deny that you saw him no big- but can you deny at that point in time that you are an escort or that he called you and the call went through that you talked for 5 minutes at x time on x date and again for 7 minutes on x day at x time? Just think of the lengths I am sure some of you have gone through to catch a cheating SO. Of course I didn't need to answer my phone I only avoided a zillion phone calls from her all day long. The husband was the one who informed me his wife would not give up until she reached me and would most likely make her threats a reality if I didn't speak with her. Not knowing legalities I did the best I could with the knowledge I did have. Knowledge I wanted to remain under the LE radar.  

I want to ask the gents who responded what would you have me say? If you were caught with a woman's phone, website, name, etc. in your house? What would you expect me to say when presented with cell phone bills of you calling me and the calls going through? What would you want me to say when your wife refused to stop calling me until she spoke with me and was threatening to call the police on me? What would you want me to say knowing it was your fault?

Well, I did talk to her. I did tell her I was an escort. I did tell her yes that was my website. I did tell her you may have very well have called, but if you did I don't remember you I take phone calls all day long. I did tell her I apologize for what she is going through I am a woman and I understand I have been there, but I know for sure I didn't see you. I was out of town almost all last month and took very few appointments locally. I tell her I would remember if I saw you and after all the grief you caused her I wish I would have seen you so I could tell her yes and she could kick your ass, but no I did not see you. I tell her this is something the two of you need to handle- it doesn't involve me at all other than you writing my info down. What would you have me tell her when you were the one to leave the information out in your home?

Go be judgmental if you wish.

Frankly, I wasn't about to insult her intellegence as pissed off  and determined as she was. I just tried to calm her down and deescalate the situation. If I felt I had another alternative and I had not been presented with the over whelming information she presented me with- well, I would have loved to be a jewelery saleswoman or a travel agent or anything else so trife and benign.

Had the evidence not been insurmountable I doubt the Green River Murder would have confessed. Thank God he did at least he gave some closure to the situation. Gee- was that what I was trying to do? Give some closure to a bad situation- now that is a strange concept.

If parts of this apply to you take them to heart I mean them- if they do not apply to you then pay them no mind.

No one can make you feel inferior without your permission I do not give you all that permission.that is why I am here posting again because I could not respect the fact that you thought you were in some way superior to me- you are not.

I was trying to help you all and you threw mud at me- from that mud I will plant a seed. When the flower blooms I will  not forget the mud that made it possible, but I will instead radiate with joy and pride at the splendor of strength within me and beauty before me. I hope that someday you will be able to do the same- that this will make you each take a look inward and strive to reach for the beauty, strength, and pride which I have already attained. You can walk through life without concerns- it simply means that you be selfish, cold, and uncaring in regards to others welfare. I choose not to be that way- hate me if you will- I still hope you find that flower.

Oh and moderator- Mister Dingus sir I halfway agree with Northdak- sorry if I spelled that wrong- I frankly think this whole thread should be deleted this is just to much BS

Don't worry after this I am revoking my own right to post here for a while. I will call it self- probation moderation okay? I am taking leave. Sometime away from Phoenix.

Goodnight- Good Luck- Goodbye

AA

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You have my deepest sympathies.
Alot of us have apparently missed the significance
of this issue and it's impact on your life.

I'm truly sorry this has happened to you.

dwdawg

I have  heard nothing Angel but you have my sympothies.It is not fun at all but this has happened to me, and I simply told the wife I sold Real Estate and was she looking to  buy a  home.
Just be glad we have seperate incalls so we never have to worry about the knock on the door of our homes because our address might have been found by a wife who loves playing detective.
                                                    This will blow over so just keep deleting those voice mails or maybe change your number.I know it might be a pain but might be worth it in the long run.
   j kay
 
 

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If I only had a nickle for every "should'a, could'a, would'a".

It's all too easy to second guess a person's decision. As the saying goes "Hindsight is 20/20". But only you had to deal with it on the spot. I wouldn't worry about what others say.

I think if the situation were in reverse, that hobbyist would be ripping mad. So why would it be wrong for you to be?

Good luck and stay well.

I understand this is a very touchy subject, especially with many people tossing around big words (usually spelled wrong) concerning privacy and discretion however, discretion was not used by this client and the fall out for one of our own looks intimidating.

Ladies, I want you just for a moment to place yourself in Angel's situation. You are minding your business and your phone rings. You answer it. On the other end of the phone is a frantic wife, likely calling you all sorts of colorful names, stating she has your web address and all of your information and she intends to use it by calling certain individuals you'd rather not be called unless you answer some questions.

Now, if you're honest with yourself and the rest of the world, you're scared. You're shaking a little bit, your mouth has gone dry and your saliva seems to have relocated to the palms of your hands. What do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO?! She has all your information, her husband left it lying around, there's no lying to her about being a real-estate agent or a jeweler or a scrap booker or anything else, SHE KNOWS.

You do what Angel did. You preserve your client's innocence by stating yes, he did call however, you did not see him. You've never met him. Sure, as cell records indicate, you've had a few conversations, but nothing more than that. You trying to calm the wife down, explain to her that you are a masseuse first and foremost, perhaps her husband played a rough round of golf and got a recommendation from a friend. Who knows. The point is, he didn't see her and she let the wife know that.

Now, folks, I've been called by a wife before. She didn't have any of my information, my web address, nothing. She had a phone number on the phone. And instantly, it was my “husband” using my phone and I say “..how have we never met with our husbands knowing one another?” You chit chat, you hang up, you call the client and start filling him in on what's gonna hit him when he gets home.

Angel didn't have this opportunity. Her client's wife is the CIA, she has all the info. Lying will get her in trouble because CIA wife  has all  her info.

I'm sorry, but you guys need to calm down. Angel is obviously upset. Her livelihood has been threatened in more ways than one and she was flat out busted by CIA wife. She was in a corner with no way out and the reason was because CIA wife's husband was careless. Because he was careless, her life and livelihood is on the line and wifey sounds a bit psycho. Of course she does, we ALL would upon that discovery.

Here's my point, she did the best she could. She may have freaked out a bit on the board...but wouldn't you, too under the same circumstance? Hell yes you would. So would I and so would all of you guys if your wife found all the info. So, let's cut Angel some slack on this. She couldn't lie because of what the wife had, so she did the next best thing...she befriended the lady, told her that her husband had never come to meet her and she soothed the situation as best she could. A situation I might add, she NEVER should have been put in.

Calm down, people. This is one of your own you're stoning. Try walking in Angel's shoes, even if only in your head before judging her so harshly.

Respectfully,

Megan

...a flaw in the "notify the client" ASAP strategy is that you (not YOU Megan, but any lady caught up in a similar situation) don't immediately know the answer to the question:

who has the phone?

Ladies, if you do feel a need to call (you can't reach the person thru a trusted 3rd party?), at least call from a different phone number than the one the irate wife dialed to call you.

Guys, activate PIN codes for your cell phones; clear the call logs (what do you do with the cell bill?)...

Now as for "she has all the information". Why believe her? What do you know at that point in the conversation? She called you (is it even his wife - maybe another escort?), she says she knows all about you (OK, then why call?)

As an aside, I've read stories of wives calling asking for reference checks. So, a question to the ladies: how do you verify that the person mailing you or calling you is really somebody you should talk with?

My thoughts, FWTW.

Never get married its a big ol' pain in the ass!

Now to totally derail this thread if you all had to choose between Costa rica and Peru which would you pick? Mongering aside both seem pretty interesting. Peru from what im told is almost Untapped (haha pun intended) territory.

Absolutely correct!

Why trust what a reportedly irate wife, calling you names no doubt, is telling you?


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Oh, Moby, you are such an engaging and thoughtful fellow. Your humble nature and great wisdom has become legion among those of us (providers and clients) who seek serenity and pleasure in this lonely and shady world thwart with risk. Now, with your renowned reputation for loyalty and commitment, I'm sure you'd be a great marital catch for some fine woman. Yes sir, a real humdinger of a hardworking family man; a true paragon of virtue. Why, I bet the women are just lined up, trying to cajole your wonderful self to waltz down the isle. But,,,

For what it is worth: This whole thread tells ME, that this business is becoming more replete with shady clients (and their wives) every second. Please, everyone, be very, very careful. You never know what kind of person is going to walk through your door and you never know why they’re doing it. Again, everyone, please be very, very careful.    

in her conversation with the wife and in her
notifying the TER community.

This guy obviously didn't read the "Hobbying for
Dummies" handbook.  His failure to take
precautions put her (and probably others) in
jeopardy.  He is totally at fault and responsible
for what happens to everyone in the aftermath.

I dont know you at all. Who are you anyhow? Now as to why you presume anything about me is a real puzzler......I could be married with 5 kids (im not bleh) but you would never know.

all you know about me from these boards
i dont schill
i dont call a club a spade
i am realistic about the hobby
I prefer to see the girls i prefer to see anyone elses opinion be damned including yours thanks for asking.
I dont hide my thoughts behind an alias as i have a pair of balls. if someone doesnt like my opinion i dont lose any sleep over it
The people i know personally i get along fine with if some one else has issue with me then email me at my very public email address [email protected] and we can discuss it (sorry you dont rate my private email the ladies with that i can count on one hand)

I think your opinion less than worthwhile but thats just me i could be wrong.......

From what ive read "shady" to you is anyone who doesnt give a person they dont know their drivers lic. and social security card numbers with the password to their email account thrown in. Since your idea of "shady" and mine are so diametrically opposed i imagine we have nothing further to discuss on this issue

as an aside who have i been disloyal too name names i have no fear! last time i checked i had no commitments to concern myself over. The hobby is all about not having any after all. i prefer to butterfly as i see fit.

not that you would know of any as i dont know you from adam or eve......

good day sir

Ms Kay still likes you and thinks you are a great guy Moebius.Take  chill pill...

Is there any chance that you speak and write the mother tongue?  Forget the topic.  How about a little remedial English.

/wave you have my private email

Jordan i likes you too!

now back to watching dragonball z uncut.

what you thought it would pr0n?

This must be the YourEditor guy.

Seriously. Why do you find fault with people who strive to write well? I happen to think it's a tremendous talent and considering the average student in this country takes English and Spelling for 13 years in school and 4+ years in college, I've never understood why it's so difficult for some people to spell properly, form a proper sentence and speak our language well. Beyond that, I've never understood why people such as "Followmylead" find it a problem that others do perform the above tasks and request that others proofread their work to minimize their errors. ::shrug:: I guess I'll never understand why it's so difficult, with at least 13 years of schooling, to write and speak our native language well. It's almost a badge of honor in this country to chop our language and speak 'ebonics.' When did it become "uncool" to write and speak well?

Like my mother always told me, "The easiest way to be presumed intelligent, even if you aren't, is to speak and write the English language well. Just the same, the easiest way to be presumed unintelligent, even if you are, is to speak and write the English language poorly." Good communication skills are a fundamental part of every relationship; from friendships to love interests to working relationships.

I guess I always preferred to be and be presumed intelligent. So, frankly Follow, English is not "bullcrap," it’s bull crap. And simply asking someone whose post makes zero sense for all the typos and flat out incorrect sentence structure to pay attention to what they write is perfectly reasonable on a MESSAGE board where the point is to communicate, in my opinion.

Sorry for the rant, I guess I am passionate about my native language.

Megan

Gee, Moby, that marriage thing is really a hot button issue for you. I’m truly sympathetic. I’m truly sorry. You must be carrying around some heavy psychological baggage, and you must have lugged it around for a long time.

Unfortunately-or fortunately, depending upon your point of view-it is a simple truth that the overwhelming majority of clients in the escort community are married. This dynamic often insidiously infiltrates and complicates many a transaction, and then, all of a sudden, POOF, fantasy turns into reality and things become a financial and legal nightmare. The nightmare escalates. The stress can be almost unbearable as more and more players get sucked into the act. Please, Moby dear, let’s not make light of something that is very serious and volatile. Also,,,

You are correct. We have never meant, though I’ve seen your picture and I’m somewhat familiar with your reviews and your actives on the boards. PEACE

wifecheaters,whoremongers,mispellers,foreign tonguers (oohh, sounds naughty)...  just a little lightheartedness in all the seriousness.  None of us are perfect.

I do not think it is necessary to put others down for the lack of it at times on this board.



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no part of this discussion really matters.


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The fact of the matter is, his post was relatively illiterate. Whether it was intentional or not, it was. I didn't see it as a put down. This is a board utilizing communication and most people do write well on this board, espeically the ladies. It's fantastic. But if you're going to be touchy and say that the English thing is bull crap, then I think it's only fair that other people are allowed to state their opinion that the English thing is NOT bull crap.

And with this, I'm done with this argument. I made my feelings known, so did you. This thread isn't even about that, it's about far more important issues. Wives, for instance, putting ladies at risk because their husbands don't play discreetly.

Megan

the original poster. He was criticizing her English, and she's already upset. Read it again. You're obviously very passionate about this, and that's good, but we have far too many people already putting down bad spelling and grammar here and on the National board. Look at your post to me, you have a spelling error, my dear. The word "espeically".  The correct spelling is "especially."

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And good call on the typo.

Megan