The alias is me, Diana and I used it to get real responses, not what you think others want to hear. I find it interesting to hear just what what makes the men stay in the hobby and spend fortunes for their fantasys. No answer to the original question though. Do you get a discount from shilling?  I too tire of the "pick me" responses and the rants of the real breasts versus the fake. Getting true responses seems to come from a "flame" post. I am not jealous of anyone. I am old enough to be mom of most of the girls. I see very few who review and prefer it that way. I work out mf my home and try to keep quiet.

I am woman enough to post this so go ahead and tell me your TRUE thoughts, not butt kissing!

It is refreshing to see a new twist on trying to get people to share their true thoughts No butt kissing just wishing I had thought of it first

I've been at this for awhile and have been on this board pretty consistently over time. I don't think the Phoenix members (male or female)have any hesitation in responding openly and honestly to any legitimate question posed. It doesn't take a "flame" post to elicit "real responses" from the membership.

Your approach is counter productive and destructive imho. In the current instance, we had a couple guys step up and identify a woman that they had a good time with. VERY USEFUL information for a hobbyist such as myself and others who may not have considered or 'found' this woman if it were not for the 'shill'. So what did they get for their effort? A slap upside the head and a questioning of their motivations which might give one the feeling of 'why bother" to post in the first place if others are going to shout them down or question their efficacy in this fashion. You have the net effect of 'shutting down' discussion and helpful posts rather than promoting them. You also pirate the thread and distract the attention from the lady in question who, in this case, is a new lady to the Phoenix scene and who can probably use the exposure and focus at the beginning of her escorting career.

It also seems to me that this kind of BS arises more often when there is a positive comment being made about an agency lady. I could be wrong, but that it how it fells to me. It's not for any of us to judge how a lady may wish to do business whether it be as an independent or affiliated with an agency. What IS important, imho, is that a lady, regardless of her approach, receive the credit and public accolade for offering a good and honest service.

Nuff said

-- Modified on 3/13/2008 8:33:52 AM

deal.So to answer your question : NO! I don't get a favor for giving a lady  a prop on the board. Kinda pissed that my motivations for posting about a great time are questioned. I would not give myself to much backpatting for standing in front of the train, If you wanted that you could have posted under your real handle to start with. Ultimately, this is all about helping a lady in the industry do well and testimonials are a great marketing tool and I am pleased to be one who will do that. I have never been asked by a lady to post for her,EVER, I do it based on my enjoyment/happiness of the booking. It does smack of jealousy to me,as the reasons you give for making your post just don't pass the smell test for me. I have been asking for inteliigent dialogue on this board for a few months and have not seen you post with any of these questions .  I also have no issue with a provider touting herself, she will either get a response or not and I applaud a gal who will put herself out there for public scrutiny and  try to get business. If you don''t like it , don't read it, your choice ,just qwitcherbitchin and start posting honest thoughts under a real handle.

made a post under her  'new photos,new photos,new photos!!!' as  wndrwmn25 and then again under your alias. So is it ok for you do what you would have us not? A little hypocritical,don't you think?

-- Modified on 3/13/2008 9:28:35 AM

-- Modified on 3/13/2008 11:06:42 AM

Good point.

I thought there was some verboten use of an alias by posting under a thread 'aliased' and not aliased. Maybe it's not as clean cut as that.

But, makes me wonder if 'itiswhatitis' is really wonder woman...

"do as I say, not as I do"?

Muffyman makes it sound like I am a hurricane. Destructive? No, destructive is saying Ciara's breasts are not real. Detructive is saying anything about Victoria that is less than stellar cause the Blue Man will get you. lol

I would not respond to you unless it was what you wanted to hear...... Ummm Hmmm.....
I know about, "clicks", and used to worry about responding for fear of being flamed, so it was good to try to get research incognito. I applaud you, my sunshine, for trying to find out what you wanted to know discreetly...
That said...
  How about getting a life folks????? Lets all speak for ourselves. How about not paying people to shill for us? Lets let our performance speak for itself and not beg for honorable mentions or fake reviews...To be pulled around by the noses makes anyone a dumbass.... And to be followers to the extent that you can't decide who you want to see without doing your own research is just begging to be dissappointed.... All ladies should deserve attention and anyone new is wonderful. I say shout it off the rooftops!  But if it is just another usless shill..... Our performance in reviews speaks for itself. NUFF SAID......
XOXOXO
Donna
Now folks lets all live up to this photo.....


-- Modified on 3/13/2008 2:54:48 PM

I adore you and know you wouldn't shout out unless you had fun I wasn't in any way questioning you.

-- Modified on 3/13/2008 2:03:10 PM

the shill is the person who starts the post.

if the subject is themself, then its an ad.

if the subject is someone else, but the poster benefits from the revenue generated, then its not a shill post, its a pimp post

showing support by posting under an ad is not a shill or a pimp but just good manners.

I NEVER post using an alias.  I am always open and honest - and sometimes to a fault.  It is NOT me but Diana who outed herself.  Please, please, please make sure of the FACTS before making any more assumptions.  I get slammed as it is for being honest.  Thanks and hope all is well with you.

-- Modified on 3/13/2008 2:03:48 PM

enough as it is without being falsely accused.  Thanks for the apology and modifying your original post.  

So who do we eat first?   Any volunteers????

Shilling is not a bad thing! Compensated or not! Just live with it or don't. I have never asked for a review (and don't get many) and have never asked for anyone to say anything nice about me anywhere. But there is nothing wrong with it if that is a marketing strategy for a girl. I believe that as long as its honest no matter the motivation..... it is ok. Just don't deny it or flame someone for bringing it up. Play safe and lets all have an ORGY!!!!! LOL

You know I mean that in a good way I don't normally do doubles but I would with you EOM

-- Modified on 3/13/2008 2:36:57 PM

... wouldn't take it if it were offered because it cuts into the profit base of everyone. It also sends the message that as a hobbyist I can be bought for a price. Surprising as this may seem, I have my own standards and they can't be bought. I post legit reviews and hopefully help out fellow hobbyists AND providers along the way.

Your age and especially your experience should tell you there are men than will gladly exchange tit for tat, but it isn't done by this gentleman. Want a good posting or review from me? Earn it.

There will be some that agree and some that disagree about any type of shilling.

Personally, I don't care who says what about anyone on the board when they appreciate a service being offered, or if someone needs to be warned. As far as the "real breasts" issue, it was mentioned because a lot of my business comes from men who want real breasts. And . . . I'm not saying that it's good or bad, but that's my business. If I got implants in the next few years, I wouldn't have a problem telling everyone -- no big deal. In fact, I have spent some great afternoons with other providers (yummy) who have awesome implants. We all have our good fortunes and some not. I wish I had the stomach of a 22-year old and maybe with working out recently, I'll have it soon. Diana, you know I like and respect you, and I often find men responding to you in harsh tones, so I can understand the alias. In fact, I'm usually the first one to defend you, but perhaps we all need to step back and see the perspective of other people (which is hard to do sometimes).

I just like reviews that are honest. Cheers to everyone in this business, because it can be very stressful at times dealing with LE, not knowing if someone is going to beat us up, or whether we need to keep Listerine on hand or a dental chair in our bedroom. Ooh!  

Let's lighten up, everyone, and I'll also try not to post when I have had surgery or a sinus infection.

Peace, hugs and love,
Ciara

-- Modified on 3/13/2008 4:04:38 PM

And your breasts are the best. Now get your spanking paddle out because I’m going to be a very bad boy (or should I say dirty old man) next time I see you.

that you are not suggesting or implyinmg in this post that I have ever taken an unfair shot or said anything unkind about either Ciara or Victoria.

My true thoughts are that what your "self-outing" really amounts to is nothing more than pure BULLSHIT! You and the rest of the herd of old DFCs can't stand the thought of someone - especially one younger and newer - getting kudos for a job well done and have to question why a guy would make a shill post.  If you were really interested in getting responses why didn't you just ask?  You could have even used an alias (and we all know how much I abhor the use of an alias). But instead you have to attack the shiller - and in turn cause backlash questioning of the "shillee's" actual abilities - by suggesting that the service was discounted for the purpose of getting a favorable review.    

I stand by my original reply to Muffyman's question regarding the use of an alias:

The alias is used by a coward who is afraid to reveal who they are because it's:

2) a jealous woman who provides such lack-luster service that nobody raves about her.

Must be huge discount for shilling? No doubt the girl is beautiful but seems board is loaded with shill after shill.


Where is the attack? I did ask a simple question and look what happened. Idiots like you attack me. I am old and NEVER denied it. I embellish it you fool. To make the money I make at this age and to meet the gents I do, I love it. Not everyone needs to have an 18 year old. Lots of gents like older women, they just don't feel the need to let everyone know they have had it. So the attacker is you, not me. I don't need people to rave about me.  I must be doing something right because I am still doing fine. Actually refer clients to others because I travel alot.
I am not the jealous type, I refer all the time and I never talk bad about another provider. I say only the good.

Diana  Lack - Luster my old, fat ass! lol

You have way too much time on your hands.  What a joke, I was going to tell you my true thoughts, but actually I feel sorry for you.  Good luck working through whatever your issues are.  Or maybe you will perform another sociology experiment on us here on the PHX board to mask the real problem.

and be civil to everyone!

Hope everyone enjoys the weekend and the great weather

hugs and kisses everyone Gents and Ladies alike!
Terri

Wonderwoman,

I've read your post a few times and I'm struggling to see how what you've said relates to my post.

Did you incorrectly hang your post off of mine?

If you are guessing that it might include the word that some use to describe a part of a woman's anatomy - guess again.  DFC is an acronym most commonly used for Dumb Fat Cows that herd on public discussion boards who clutter the same with useless and petty drama.

I use my fingers and tongue while I'm eating, does that count?

Quit being a hater. I'd rather be with Diana once than with some 20 yr old ditz a dozen times. Diana, ignore the jackasses out there, stay just as you are and I'll see you this nov. again.......

... and now for the next topic? Wow, there sure is a lot read into the words that I can't see. Thanks Terri for the "friendly greeting", it is a nice break the harshness.

And what do you call the person that posts multiple times on the thread's same line of descent. Once as themselves and then again (and maybe again, and again...) under an alias?

All posts saying basically the same thing?

I call that pumping a thread - as a means to draw attention to it (and hence the original post).... isn't that the same as a shill?

To tell you the truth Ana, I thought you were "itiswhatitis".

Not sure what you mean but.... YOU an unfair shot???? Hope all your shots are right on goal!!! You are a very straight shooter You are always polite and honest. That was a compliment

For every simple minded AND single minded person out there.... there are about 50 to replace them and better quality people at that. Don't ever worry. We all need to know that shilling is fine as long as the motivations and goals are true. If a guy wants to shout from the mountain tops about a girl thats fine. If it is just for a discount her reviews will eventually show it. If not then the girl is truly spectacular. We need to all be confident in ourselves.    
 Off subject... I want to go play golf this week. If anyone is interested in a game please let me know.

i've also been accused of being lookingCali

ROFL

every industry is afflicted with the disease of 'boardroom politics' which manipulates perception.

i dont try to beat them at the game, i just refuse to play them.

i just speak the truth as i believe it to be. if i make a mistake, i admit it. i'm certainly no saint and i am not even trying to be an angel but i am ok with my flaws and dont need to pretend to be anything other than what or what i say i am. i'm certainly guilty of cattiness and i have a competitive streak but i couldnt be happy knowing i won something if i had to cheat. i dont care how many of millions of dollars i was offered, if i had to wake up every morning knowing i was a piece of shit or a slimeball, no way on earth could i be happy with that.

i feel sorry for people who have to lie about themselves because that indicates to me that they dont think the truth about themselves is good enough and that's just sad.  it probably would take less effort to just change whatever it is you dont like about yourself then to try to pretend to be something that you're not.  

i've been called a narcissist and its very true, i do love the person that i am.  i can wake up everyday knowing that i give more than i take, that i make the lives of those who are close to me better in some way and that makes me a very happy person regardless of what is in my bank account.

pumping a post is a term i wouldnt have thought of because i just thought it was insecurity but i am concerned more with the 'why' it is rather than the 'what' it is.  

i see someone like lookingCali and yes it is unanimous, he is a jerk.. its easy to see 'what' he is, but maybe i'm too psycho-analytical because i want to know why.  is it money or his own hatred of himself or something else that motivates his behavior.

i'm just happy to see people post and i think the insulting remarks regarding people's posts are really childish and counter-productive.. i'm not trying to claim innocence, merely awareness...

if you have a problem with someone's post, be it a boring topic or another shill or whatever, either stfu or pm dingus and if it doesnt belong here, he'll remove it. disagreement is one thing, judging the so called 'quality' of someone's post is very arrogant that you would think that someone cares if you approve.

i can assure each and everyone of you, whether you agree with me or not, or approve of me or not is really of no consequence to me nor would i ever assume that my approval mattered to you. i already approve of myself and i merely hope that if you dont already, one day you can approve of yourself too.

Thanks for the kind words Donna. No, I was directing my comments to Diana in her post above which may have left some with the impression that I was the one taking unfair shots at Ciara and Victoria, things which I have never done.

-- Modified on 3/14/2008 3:20:50 PM

-- Modified on 3/15/2008 2:15:45 PM

You attack a poster who was complimenting another provider; you get slapped a little by Dingus; your try to think up a spin on it; and then you post some lame, self serving excuse trying to convince people that you are just trying to get "true" responses.  Here's the truth - Bullshit.  

You complain about "shill" and "pick-me" posts, but any moron can see that the post that got you into trouble was neither.  And, you pick on a agency provider who you know damn well probably doesn't know of this site, and definitely doesn't participate, so can't defend herself.  This is another example of how you and other providers like you have attempted to take over a board and create an atmosphere of provider v. the world mentality in an effort to keep all but the most hardy posters from posting anything that may, in any way, seem to be critical or contrary to your own interests.  

You post this excuse knowing that it will degenerate into another us and against them, let's stop the shilling crap fest, and, to give you credit, it does, despite the efforts of some to keep it real.  Donna even states that she is "defending us all", which plays right into your intent of clouding your malfeasance with the fluff of a shilling debate.  Looking back at your history on the board tells me one thing: you have a habit of claiming drama when called on something - either someone is stalking you, writing fake reviews, won't pull your suspect profile, or treats you badly in Vegas.  Give it a rest.

BTW, I guess you are more of an "only if its convenient" shilling opponent.

You are the drama (alias?) - I didn't ATTACK the poster. Simple question that obviously hit a nerve. Not much of an answer though, only stupid responses like yours. I posted the shill to see how it would be viewed when a provider posted shills. No big deal. I question a hobbyist and it blows out of proporion.  Lots of suck up responses like usual. Oh, let's all get along. Or drama responses such as destructive, attack, picking on.

I waasn't PICKING on an agency provider. Get a bckbone, asking if the poster gets  discount for shilling has nothing to do with PICKING on the provider or ATTACKING the poster. You make the drama. Simple answer to the question - no, unfortunately we don't get a discount. Or, yes, I get priority pick cause I shilled. Just  a simple answer would have been fine.
Who you are would show you had a backbone. Isn't you ID an alias?

"Must be huge discount for shilling?"

This is not a simple question, and no matter how you spin it, you can't make it so.  You are directly implying that the provider can only get a compliment if there is a discount for shilling.  The lady isn't going to respond, and the agency won't because it would be business suicide to become the target of the kind of attacks some of the providers launch.

Here we go again with the lame excuses.  Do you really think that we are stupid enough to believe that you posted your own shill to see how others would react.  Lady, stop lying and spinning, and start thinking before you post.  Sometimes the best posts are those not posted, so please think before you hit submit.

If you really wanted to discuss the issue of shilling this last time, you would have started a thread on the issue under your own handle;, but, instead, you hijacked the complimentary thread so as to take the discussion in a direction away from the competition and to another drama post.

Did you even think about your comment to me about an alias?  Think about how that sounds.  You are involved in this because you flamed under an alias.  Come on lady, can't you see that ANY derogatory remarks you make about using an alias instantly and directly apply to you.  Give it a rest.

Come attack, pick on and get destructive with me, Oh Great One who holds all the knowledge. Why are my posts of such great concern to you? You of all people should give it a rest. I'LL LET YOU HAVE LAST SAY SO GO AHEAD. Anything else, I'll pm you. Of course, your name will oome out, right?

YES, your posts were attacks, against the hobbyists, the provider, and the agency!!!  Sure you only asked a question, "What kind of discount do you get for shilling?"  That question in and of itself implies that a discount must have been the motivation for the message in the first place, or in other words you are questioning the integrity of all involved.  That my friend, is an attack!!!

I can only speak for myself, but I can honestly say that I have never been offered, or asked for any discount in exchange for a shout out on the boards, or a positive review.  I know there are jerks out there who operate like that, but most hobbyists don't!

BTW - the first Mindy thread was entirely innocent!!!  It was first posted on the Newbie Board, where it would do little good to her, or her agency.  I moderate the Newbie Board, and moved the message to the PHX board, since shills, endorsements, and ISO's are not allowed on the Newbie Board.  Dingus then approved the message, and you replied, and we now have this sh*tstoarm!    Hope you are happy!!!

who says no to him or his gang of wanna-be pimps.

dont take it personal cuz only a true asshole would ever talk about women in such a matter and i assure you that you would not want him to like you.

it must be unpleasant.
trust me, take it as a compliment, you are gorgeous and sincere and its only natural for a creature like that to hate you.


clubjeffe (8/30/2007 1:53:58 PM): LOL no kidding! y group has a few UTR girls that we keep busy
ana_bang_bang (8/30/2007 1:54:31 PM): would that be that boardroom ive heard so much about
clubjeffe (8/30/2007 1:55:00 PM): ummmmmmmmmmmmm yeaaaaaaahhhhh
clubjeffe (8/30/2007 1:55:27 PM): theres interesting history about the boardroom
ana_bang_bang (8/30/2007 1:55:47 PM): there is ?
clubjeffe (8/30/2007 1:56:26 PM): yep kind of split into two groups because of personality conflicts
ana_bang_bang (8/30/2007 1:56:36 PM): oh thats one i never heard
clubjeffe (8/30/2007 1:56:42 PM): but same basic idea
clubjeffe (8/30/2007 1:57:29 PM): i stay out of the politics
clubjeffe (8/30/2007 1:57:43 PM): i'm just here to have fun LOL
ana_bang_bang (8/30/2007 1:57:55 PM): i know you guys have alot of power over the industry.. however i do not view myself nor my girls as a part of the industry

but for the girls (some of the girls, not all) it is our work so we tend to spend a lil more time here and we might notice when something looks off.

like a review where the reviewer claims to 'not normally be a 2nd cup guy'

but the majority of the previous reviews describe the second cup

maybe i just cant understand how truly magnificient these agencies girls are to be able to repeatedly accomplish something that the reviewer himself claims doesnt normally happen.

and the rather agressive defense is, well a bit aggressive i think.

perhaps the review of mindy was spot on and the previous ones were trumped up ?

i dunno
i only know that i dont possess such skill and only have admiration for a girl who does.

I don't want to get caught up in this mess. I was just curious what the acronym meant.

Hugs,
Ciara

cuz we need a clever acronym for a guy who is

a. rejected by a dfc and
b. outsmarted by a dfc

i have the dumbest habit of thinking everything is all about me. crazy fucking ego.

but actually, it doesnt matter who he was talking about, it pisses me off really bad that a guy has the fucking nerve to speak about women like that.

as if its ok.

is completely ridiculous.

You just need to hook client up to a vacuum pump and apply voltage to the prostate.

Don;t forget the gag in the mouth.

Hannibel Leckter also mentions the use of a cattle prod to as a way to obtain baby batter from an unwilling donor.

Sounds like a bit of bother.