I know, I'm a hypocrite.  I said I wouldn't be posting here anymore. But, you may appreciate this one.

This topic may have come up in the past but I'm not quite sure in such a way as this....

ARE YOU A TRUE BISEXUAL?

Many women claim to be, to turn men on. But, do you know if you are a true bisexual, a lesbian or a plain, boring (smile) heterosexual?

I believe I am somewhere in between heterosexual and bisexual.  It is very interesting to me though, that I love aspects of feminine, beautiful women such as soft, long hair, soft skin and breasts...and definitely lips.  I love to kiss and caress a feminine woman.  But, to actually even consider what it would be like to be in a lesbian relationship, I would be drawn to a butch type lesbian.  I'm not talking about a manly, masculine butch. "Not that there's anything wrong with that"- Seinfield.  I'm talking of a small boned, short haired, makeupless, pretty boy/girl that has that tough girl attitude. That is what would turn me on to full blown out sex or a relationship...I think.  Though I have never been with a butch type girl...so only an assumption of what I can only think I would feel.    

Now, in consideration of a relationship with a butch lesbian over a lipstick lesbian or bisexual...does that make me just a plain heterosexual or a bisexual?  Does that mean that I prefer men if I would like a woman that reminded me of a man?  If I was faced with deciding between a man (which I know I adore) or a butch lesbian that I am attracted to, might I chose the woman? Is there an answer to this question?    

I am going to post this here and on a few other boards because I think it would be fascinating to hear diverse views from the ladies on what they feel they are and why.  Please, not for the sake of turning the guys on...just for thought provoking discussion.

I am very sure that this discussion would be further interesting if we asked the men the question reversed.  But, I don't think anyone here would be ready for that.  It's safer and not too scary for everyone to leave it for the girls. (smile)          


Ciao,

Isabella M
xoxoxox

Mainly because EVERYONE is a friggan bi-sexual. There are many varieties, true bisexuals, bar bisexuals, sorta bisexuals, not really but it's cool to be a bisexual bisexuals.....I'm just flat out straight, no pun intended. Yeah, many chicks are hot.....but until one's pussy tastes as good as mine, I'll pass.

Megan

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Although there is nothing about a man's body that turns me on, however I am fascinated by beauty.  There just plain happens to be phsically beautiful people in the world.  I readily acknowledge the fact that there are men who have attractive physical qualities and I compare myself to those guys.  I am secure in knowing that although I can acknowldge a good looking guy, doesn't make me bisexual or gay.  In your case, I think perhaps you are potentially trying the situation out with someone you already know. I think what I hear you saying is that you are not afraid to try to be with a woman but afraid you may prefer that more than being with a man.  I just would hate to be the man that would lose out on a beautiful woman like you to another woman.....that would suck and be a blow mentally!  Good luck on your quest.....(damn, that Hacker is a good looking guy!)

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I love men, Can't envision myself without that special piece, that brings such pleasure to my life, I mean there's toys but nothing beats the real thing!
But this year I've opened up so much more, and have had double the fun, and I guess I consider myself a MyaSexual haha, and she's feminine so that's my style!
Isa xoxo

are simply wonderful.  I know this is a 'girls only' discussion, but I wanted to say thanks for making me laugh tonight.

I am attracted to beauty too (inside even more than out). And, though I love aspects of feminine women, I get more of the excited feeling I would get about a man when I see a butch lesbian. It still isn't the same.  But, I just wonder what that means if I am more attracted in that way to a woman that is butch.  Maybe I feel like she could protect me? And does that mean I am just straight. I don't know....just wondering if other women feel similarly or completely opposite.  

Thanks for your honest response!

That you were turned on and attracted to another woman argues that you're bi, albeit one that prefers men. Most people are bi to one degree or another, and very few are perfect 50-50s in their orientation.

This conversation reminds me of a friend who was a perfect 50-50 bisexual. She once told me that the worst flack she caught for her preferences was not from straights, but from gays, who were much more bigoted and assumed she had to be faking.

--b.

Isabella~  WOW!  Those new pics are awesome!

If a man said he had dreams or had been with another man a couple of times, would you call him gay? Or would he be exploring (even if he was a feminine man - like being "butch" makes her not a woman), like the ladies do and say he is bi or maybe bi. I mean, when a woman is with a woman, for that period of time, well, sometimes a cigar IS NOT a cigar. But while you are with a woman, you are a lesbian. No? When a guy is with a guy, he is a homosexual. No?

Now, just because I eat Chinese, does not mean I am a Chinaman (forgive the political incorrectness). But sometimes we are what we eat. Does that make me a pussy? All this is to complicated for my simple brain. If I murder someone once, am I always a murderer? If I eat vegetables and meat, am I a vegetarian? My brain is going to explode. The key is, if you do it, enjoy it, and would do it again, yea, your bi - and possibly a lesbian. You are no longer heterosexual - or are you? Somebody call Dr. Phil.

If I ran into a woman, who could easily switch teams, I'd never be in a long term relationship with her. My confidence is strong enough to compete with a man, but a woman's body, nah, don't think I would ever want to compete with that. I stopped seeing a woman because she would go the other way on a dime - didn't hide it and since it was new for me, I pondered it a while before I drew my own conclusion. She didn't think it was cheating. WRONG! She did not want me to see other women. And did not want to invite her friends to join in with us. I just realized, she was enjoying her sexuality and I never wanted to be with a guy with her either, and realized she could always just go to a woman if she chose. Do they even make a strap on vagina? Why?

This is all so complicated. I have many gay friends. Many bi friends. Many lesbian friends. And many straight friends. But BCD, yea, I want a woman ALWAYS. If you want a "butch" woman who would wear a strap on and play with you, what is about men you don't like would be my question. Not sensitive enough (would a "butch" woman be?). This is too confusing for me...

Hey Sumo, what are you doing for lunch tommorow guy. I've got a room. I'm attracted to your feminine side. Wait, does that make me gay now because I want a feminine man?  I think the guys on the board would agree YES

Piece,

P.S. - Now this was a fun thread. Thanks Isabella. And if you ever want 100% Male company who can be sensitive, open, strong, playful, bad, and never make you want to leave daddy, but would communicate fully and be supportive of your life....wait, maybe I am Autosexual, Asexual, Pansexual or monosexual. Actually I am quite metrosexual. What's the one where you can reproduce alone? I can never remember that one...

See what I get for trying to be deep around here? (smile)   I'll have to come up with a better one than that huh?

A course in college to work this one through. But no, it is not set by the genders, communities, or any one person. If you do it and are not forced to do it by some violent means (too many to list), I'd say that tells you a lot.

Now that I read Isabella Amore likes women, I need to join a monestary. It's all over for me. Sniff, sniff. The quintessential woman switched teams - yes - if you liked it, you are now bi. It almost makes me want to not be Italian any more...sighhhhhh

In fact, I was thinking of the old Kinsey report from the 50s, which argued that most people were bisexual to one degree or another. It's simple: you were sexually turned on by another woman, but still prefer men (if I understand you right). That would simply make you bi with a preference toward men. Standards set by "the communities" are probably reflective of their own prejudices, as in the case of the gays who couldn't believe my friend wasn't really bi herself.

At bottom, I think people get too hung up on classifications and pigeon-holing. Speaking of which, Hollywood and the tabloid media seem stuck on the either/or model. A celebrity has a homoerotic encounter and suddenly they're a closet [fill in the blank] who's been outed. The possibility of bisexuality is never considered, nor can I recall it being portrayed in mainstream movies.

--b.
 (who thinks the idea of Mya with another woman is very ...er... intersting. }:> )

Just like Rodney Dangerfield said "Bisexuality immediately doubles your chances for a date on Saturday night." You get the best of both worlds.
I just want to have fun.

Vampy

I have to admit, everytime I see a really butch lesbian I always think to myself "Man, she can probably eat pussy like no other!"

I too love the feeling of a woman beneath my hands.  Her soft skin, soft hair - sweet breath.  Women tend to kiss in a more sensual way.  One that reaches down through your belly into your clit.  It's nice.

The entire eroticism of having an encounter with a woman from flirting at the begining to the entire game down to the gasping end, really turns me on.  My preferences run with the lipstick type.  I can't even see getting into a butch woman, not even a cute one.  However, I don't consider myself bisexual.  More like if I hit it off with a woman, then I would love to play.  

I have several women lesbian couples that are good friends.  It does consist of a butch type girl with a prettier - although not quite lipstick girl.  I like to watch them in their relationships, they tend to be more caring & considerate towards eachother.....  yet when they argue - watch out.

I will always prefer men.  Their strength, their voice, a man who can flip me over and finish the job!!!  Who knows..... one day I might break my code of loving forever single and see what happens with a man.......

I am just having too much fun now.....

*kisses*
Jazz

How do you know firsthand what yours tastes like?!

I mean, if you have those moves, I want to kiss and make-up...

I left the opening especially for you. I wanted a reply to my comment..

"What's the one where you can reproduce alone? I can never remember that one..."

The answer is "That's the one where you go f%$@ yourself."

Now Peace,

There was a study a few years back, the results of which were, that 96% of women are either hetrosexual or bi-sexual with a preference for men...
That, of course, leaves 4% for: 50/50 bisexuals, lesbians, bisexual that prefer women and asexuals.

Me? The best I can figure is I am a lesbian...which came as quite a surprise to me after years of considering men and concluding I was asexual since I had no actual interest in being with a man sexually.

That said, I would not completely rule out the possibility of finding a man that just "did it for me"...though I think he would have to be ok with us having a girlfriend, or me seeing women on the side, or something. *grin*

I didn't accept that I liked women, until I fell for one...and then it became so clear...
Problem was, after she flirted and said all the right things, she told me how she couldn't date a woman, how she couldn't have a relationship with a woman...that men were relationships, women were playthings...and that I wasn't a good enough plaything.

I have had another lady say she would love me if she could but she needs "the real thing".
I have had women ask why couldn't I have been a man, or that they want a man that is like me...or tell me about the man they met that reminds them of me...and I lose out everytime, because I lack required genitalia.

Personally I think if a lady needs a man for the encounter to enjoyable or real or whatever, then she is straight.  I have had more than a few ladies say to me, "too bad we can't have a man there so we can have real fun"...and my thought on that is that I would rather pass that be nothing more than an accessory to "real" fun. I would rather stay home alone than pay for the chance to be 1/3 of the opening act and not needed or wanted for the "main event".  I have had ladies tell me that they like women, and can be with a woman...but that they want a man to "top things off".

When asked, though, if they have ever been with a man and wanted a woman there so it could be "real fun" or been with a man and wanted a woman to "top things off", they say "no"...

To my mind that isn't bisexual, that is straight though straight with a bit of "bi" on the side for variety...but straight because for it to be really enjoyable, to be "real" there has to be a man.

Bi would be if a man or a woman could be enjoyable, if being with either could be fun, would be "real"...so long as one or the other is either required or expendable then that's not "bi".  

Even if a lady generally prefers men but can enjoy a woman as a woman without needing a man there, or can enjoy a man without a woman being there, then she would be "bi". So long as one is not enough and the other necessary then it is more than preference within bisexuality.
Much like I joked about wanting to have a girlfriend if I ever fell for a man...I think I would still need a woman, because that is where my orientation lies.

To Mr Bifur's mention of gays being more bigoted and assuming his friend was faking, I'm not sure it's bigotry as much as fear.  A fear that the person they would be willing to have a relationship with won't be fullfilled by them, will go looking for "the real thing", is "experimenting", is going through "a phase", won't want to deal with all that comes along with being a homosexual when she can just as easily find what she wants with someone more societally acceptable, looks at them as "playthings", etc.  

A straight man being more accepting of a 50/50 bisexual woman...not a big surprise, he gets to have the hope of when she wants to be with a woman he gets a threesome. A lesibian isn't going to want a threesome with a man when her girlfriend wants a man...she gets to have the fear of being left for a man.
Like Mr Iceman said, "I just would hate to be the man that would lose out on a beautiful woman like you to another woman.....that would suck and be a blow mentally!" well it's a blow to be a lesbian and lose the woman you love to a man.

That all kind of makes the idea of paid companionship seem pretty good...except, the majority of women in this business are still straight, the euphamism "gay for pay" where they fake it, or have threesome without interacting with the other lady, or they want a man for it to be "real fun" or "when it's all over missed a man", or need the "real thing"...

That kind of takes the shine off the lure of paid encounters, knowing that the lady you are with really wishes you were someone else, at the very least wishing there were someone else, with the correct genitalia, also there to make it good at all...personally, I can't be that client.  I can't be the one that a lady would rather be with anyone but...

To Miss Manelli...
Hi there, the name's "Webbie" and I have been described as a "soft butch".  hair: collar length, last time I wore make-up was, I think ten years ago for a job interview, and if what you mean by small boned...is short with small hands...I'm there. *grin*...but...on the downside, I'm fat, and there is nothing about me that anyone could ever describe as pretty or beautiful...so I guess I can't help you.

So, I'll stay behind my keyboard and contemplate why G-d blinked, or nature f***ed up...or whatever it was that made me a woman that likes women.

Your too funny justdonebyu, Don't stress to much, I'll always need a man in my life hahaha!

Webbie.  You will find your match someday.  Thanks for the honesty and keep your head up.  Beauty is only skin deep.  Remember that.

Do you have twin in Litchfield Park?  Because I swear every time I run across her, I think of you.

Good to see you again. Hope all is good in Vegas.

Muah,
Mr Vampy

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ummm how much is reading this post going to cost me?

Not to get too psycho, I mean psychological, I believe all ladies are somewhat bi. This could be because of several reasons.

1) Our makers (God, Darwin or whatever you belive in) made the perfect form in the female body. Both men and women enjoy a nice female form. (but the reverse is not true, God I hope you don't ask this question in reverse ). Damn, it's hard to resist a fine women, like the ones we have here.

2) Females usually have the softer side traits, (Femininity being one of them; Hmm, being female like) while men usually have the more aggressive traits.

3) It's a mother complex, Our mothers are female, they provide all we need for the first part of are lives. When we need some basic love who is there for you, Mom. Later in life you still tend to think of female for love, weather you are male or female, it's what we know from birth. When a lady gets upset or feels bad who do they turn too, their girlfriends; same goes for men, we turn to women.

So I think it's just our basic instinct to turn to women for love, men have the right tools for sex but most of us lack the mental power to give a women what they want and need. So in general when a women is with another women getting that loving feeling it's not to difficult to cross that line into lesbianism for a short time.

Does this mean she is a lesbian? I don't think so.
Does this mean she is Bi? Again I don't think so.

I think it just means you are a normal female, you are responding to the love coming from another, whether it be male or female. We all want love and love to explore sex!


Just my 2 to 3 cents worth of babble.

...I was thinking, Isabella!  And, I know Webbie, and really enjoy her company!  I was at a party recently when she attracted two of the hottest women in the place, and the three of them spent quite a   l o n g  time in the Master Suite, so she sure knows how to have fun, too!  In, fact, she'll remember I commented afterward on her ear-to-ear grin, and the glow she had for hours afterward.  My advice is to just relax and be yourself--that laid-back attitude will take you to a great place, both physically AND mentally.

Well I see your at it again young lady.  

Bisexuality, Straight, Homosexual ect..

Why does everyone have to label themselves anything.  I think we are what we like. Society is who wants to label everyone.

As for me hmmm I'm straight, but there is nothing like a woman playing with the backside if she knows what shes doing. So take that for what ever you want..

John

You want in on a little secret...
I didn't attract those two ladies.
One was a friend that freely admits she just wanted to "help out a friend" ie do what no one else would do.
The other she only did what she did because someone bet her she wouldn't...

As for the grin...well, it was the only time in over 35 years of life anyone did anything to me of that sort...

As for where my attitude might take me, I don't know, but I am pretty sure it will take me there alone...but I will at least have a couple memories to take with me, and maybe someday I'll be lucky enough to forget the circumstances.

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Reescreet - I gave you a chance...

LOL...too bad I have been too busy for the last few days to respond.

I would have thought that you would have brought out your "reality" arguement again as I am sure that if provider sex with paying men is not real then provider sex with other non paying women would be real. I do agree with you though....cheating is cheating...male or female.

I personally have alot of thoughts on this subject, as to why some are bi and some are not but it would be a very  long post and frankly it has been a long weekend.