I'm actually arranging to meet with providers that don't require references so that I'll have references so that I can meet with providers that DO require references.

As Some providers will only take references from verified & trusted providers. If someone sends me information from an unknown provider or someone with trashy pictures or online rep, it makes me question the man.

GAAAAAAH!

I hadn't thought of that.  I'm not entirely undiscerning, but a little more thought may be a good idea.

Anyone one - ANY ONE - intrested in seeing a provider should email her. NEVER assume ANYTHING. We girls each often have our on private eye way of verification and is often easier than you would think .

Very good point.  Dang.  This board is all sorts of useful.

Just join P411 or Date Check? It may be more helpful than taking chances with seeing someone who doesn't verify.  

lot's of chicks say they verify but don't.

Because I'm entirely too chickenshit, if I'm honest.  

Id be happy to see you  lol   at least you've cleared up my question as to why not everyone has references.  I can typically verify without all that easy.   now if i only had the answer to why  gents like to only message hi  or u avail  id be happy.....

I totally agree   Im a computer expert and verifying is way simpler than lots think

Don't worry to much about it. If I remember right their systems are not in this country so there is limited risk of that.

Go see Angel, she seems like a really nice lady. As an IT Professional myself I would probably spend the entire time just talking to her lol.

Have you asked the no ref providers if they would be willing to act as a ref in the future? Are they established? If the answer is yes, your strategy is good. Another option to consider is P411 membership. It is discreet. Once you get an "okay", it is permanent. You don't have to worry about communication problems or what if your ref retires.