Had an appointment set up for a week with Maree and she was a no call, no show. She has great reviews and I felt comfortable meeting with her through P411, but the day of the appointment came, and there was no contact of any kind. I noticed she logged into P411 the night before when I logged in to make sure I did not miss a message, so Im posting this because I think its low class to not send a PM on the verification site while your on it the night before to cancel if there was a reason she did not want to go through with it.

I hope everything is OK with her...

This on a public board with out knowing what happened? Thats not cool! I hope she's ok too...

As I said in my post, she was logged in early this morning on the verification site. I noticed that when I logged in this morning to make sure I did not miss a message. If you're already on the site with in 24 hours of a scheduled appointment, and you cant even send a PM to cancel, thats just disrespectful. Im not upset the appointment did not happen, Im upset there was no communication at all. I read a lot of posts by providers who are rightfully upset when a guy does this to them, because they could have booked another appointment. For the provider, it is a loss of income. For me its all about time. I may not be out the donation, but I am out time and to me, that is just as important as money. I have so little free time in the first place, especially time to disappear unnoticed for a desecrate encounter.  

I am a friend of Maree's and I told her about this post.  If she chooses to respond she can stick up for hereself but needless to say there is more to this sotory than Wolf41 is telling.  

I read that you noticed she logged in the night before. I totally understand where you're coming from. It sucks when a provider or hobbyist ncns. But, emergencies happen quickly and in expectantly. I would think that you would feel very badly if you found something urgent happened after you called her out on a public board. Sometimes its best to get the facts before you make a move like this. Providers have issues like everyone else. Car accidents, home disasters, injuries, break ins, emergencies w/ family, kids, unexpected acute illness w/ high fevers, etc. In my personal life I've jumped the gun by assuming the wrong scenario. Didn't turn out very well. I'm sorry you rearranged your schedule and it didn't work out, but life happens sometimes...
Or maybe you said something to make her feel uncomfortable or unsafe?

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Knowing Maree, there clearly was a significant problem. Move on.

More to what story Madison? Im just a guy on P411 who wanted to play today and set up an appointment with someone a week out, through my verification site that Ive been a member of for over 4 years with 13 okays besides the P411 okay when I signed up. All Im saying is if she did not feel comfortable about my last okay being from '12, she should have let me know and never booked the appointment in the first place. I always get references when I see someone but took a break this past year to pay off a debt I wanted to get rid of. That is the story. Im not angry with a woman Ive never met, there is no conspiracy here. I am telling other guys to be careful on a public board, because she was not forthcoming about her reservations and waited until after the scheduled appointment to tell me. I was never rude, I was not pushy, I booked a week out to give plenty of time to check references and to schedule on a day that worked for both of us. I also called out TER, because there is no way for us guys to find out this sort of thing is happening, because everyone is afraid to say anything and TER has no way for us guys to see if this is a pattern with some ladies. I have nothing to hide.  

Reservations were clearly communicated several days ago. You gave me names and numbers to contact bc I told you I was getting no response from your references. The names and numbers you gave me are people who either didn't respond or said they couldn't remember him. My safety comes first always. Sorry if you felt communication was lacking but it was clear that you had no references I felt safe using. If you are such a professional and your business world, you should have more established verification methods for yourself in this hobby. You do not have reviews of your own not do you have ladies who can vouch for you Or have other viable means of making the ladies you see feel safe and comfortable seeing you. You could avoid all situations like this by just creating a bit more of a credible identity here.

I do not NCNS. I try not to ever even cancel appointments. My friends who know me know I am more professional than that. If there was an unintentional misunderstanding, my sincerest apologies.  I recall having several P411 clients contact me but their okays were not responsive after several days of email rounds. I won't see anyone without 3 viable, known, well-reviewed references, so perhaps I was trying to verify you but couldn't clear you. There could have been any number of real reasons for me to hesitate seeing a new client whose references do not reply or who are not very established here with reviews, especially with all of the heat on Phoenix independent providers lately.  I am not making excuses if I screwed up, but it's simply not my style to stand anyone up - I like to communicate a lot with new friends to establish a positive rapport, so limited communication isn't my style either. People who know me know me well. Sorry you felt I let you down, but I'm sure there was a miscommunication, AND it could very well have been my fault, but not worthy of a blast here like this. I wish you would have brought it up with me directly, because Ive also been known to give amazing deals to people Ive had to inconvenience with scheduling. I think there are people here who could vouch for that, too.

Well Wolf, Madison has responded so no need for me to continue.  Suffice to say before you call someone out on a public board it would be nice if you told both sides of the story.

Um, I never sent you names or numbers of anyone to contact. I have used 1 verification site for all my appointments since 2009. Everything a provider needs is there. Every point you make is valid and I agree with them all, however, I should have received this information prior to you, or your assistant confirming the appointment and sending me an E mail OKaying the date. You left all of that stuff out in your response.

I did try to bring it up to you directly. I texted you twice this morning and got no response. You told me you were not working today and had no reason to check your messages and I did not receive anything from you since confirming the date on the 29th. My phone number and E mail address are on my P411 profile, so you had plenty of opportunity to bring your concerns to my attention after I contacted you. I would have, could have contacted many others if you did not feel comfortable.

Wow! Just Wow! What an unbelievably classy response. Even after being called out publicly this lady not only harbors no bitterness, but actually admitted that in fact she may have been at least partly responsible for some miscommunication. Guy, whatever you do from this point forwatd, don't EVER call a provider out publicly like this. Especially one with a reputation as sterling as this lady. And Maddy, your responses have been equally classy and professional.

Okay, first just because you have a P411 doesn't usually mean you have an in. She probably saw you've been out a year and decided to see if you have any contact with your girls. Many P411 are now requiring 2-3 references even though you have an account. Haven't you seen what's happening in Phoenix and the surrounding area. Shes more concern about her safety. If communication was so important, why didn't you ask if your account was valid or your references went through? Don't point fingers at her solely. Maybe she forgot or mistaken your identity.  Communication is a 2 way road. It goes both ways. So please don't trash her on this board, theres no need. It could have been a honest mistake. But remember her safety always comes first.  

You are correct sir. P411 is not a guarantee. Its simply a way for me to find ladies in my area who are verified and gives me links to reviews and a way for providers to find clients with back ground checks and okays from other girls. Again, you are correct, she did see that I was out for a year and decided to see if I had any contact with other girls before seeing me. OMG dude, I am stating the fact that I was not told any of this PRIOR to the appointment being set. I am stating that a confirmation should not have been sent to me PRIOR to her being comfortable. Since the appointment was set, there was a 9 day time span to tell me there was a problem if there was a mistake on the part of an assistant, or herself.

You come onto this board and call Ms. Martin out on NCNS, but I have reread your post a couple times trying to find out what was missing. Well here is what I can say is missing, nowhere do you say that you had a confirmed date. It sounds like you requested a date through P411 for a certain time and date, but from what I read and hear on both sides is there is no confirmation of the date

Surlyboy from the newbie board with the same complaint. If it is you, you only have 4 reviews and the last one was from 2011.

...I rarely get involved in these 'he said...she said' arguments but I'd like to make a few points.

I only post reviews if the lady would like me to. Many providers dont like the graphic nature of the reviews on TER and PHX Girls rotate girls so fast, its pointless. In fact I think you can only review the agency, not women with in the agency. I passed on giving reviews in the past, because I did not want to hurt the womans feelings, or her livelihood, or black ball myself, but Im getting to the point now that the next guy should know if a woman is unstable mentally, or if they have NCNS'd. Its not a personal attack, Im sharing an experience with others. I do however have provider okays from every provider I have ever seen since joining p411 in 2009, except a the two recent ones where she began crying, because she thought that I thought she looked old and wanted younger women and she was unsure how much longer she could provide. Another woman was OCD about a recent break up who was reading me sentences out of a book, because she thought it explained how she felt... and she wanted to ride on my work truck with me. I blocked one of them and ran out of the other appointment as fast as I could. I said nothing out of fear of backlash, or that it would hurt the womans feelings, but what did I do to help the next guy who is sitting up at night looking at a picture of her not knowing the craziness I went through? Or that next guy that may get stood up while on a business trip?

Okay. I understand. That's good your sharing some info. I just wanted more info like you posted. As you've maybe heard, read, or seen crack downs are happening in Phoenix and the surrounding areas. Again it was maybe a honest mistake on her part or misinformation. Sorry that this happened to you. The reason some members are attacking you is your using an alias. So yeah, thanks for clearing some info for me.

....and how does a guy get involved in so much drama? It should be simple and fun...see a nice woman...have a great time...write a glowing review...it's supposed to be fun.  

Surly boy, Miss Maree responded to your request and is desirous to give you a special break for any potential misunderstanding. If you are listed on a site, it does not qualify you to have an automatic preferred acceptance. Especially. when your historical experiences are dated and suspect. This is why it is best to talk to a prospective provider and cure any requirement's that the lady needs to feel comfortable. Do you have any idea what it would cost a provider to defend a case if, you are LE.  It was not appropriate for you to post this about a well respected lady as you have.  Are you looking for something for free or, was it just a flash of ignorance?

I have seen Maree on several occasions .... never ever had a problem .... you clearly do not know how verifications work ....  

Was there a confirmed appointment or not?  Or did you ask for the time and she stopped responding?

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I had to edit my last post, but here's where we stand:  wolf sez there was a confirmed appointment. Maree sez no, she stopped responding during verification.  

I've had appointments that I've booked where  I convince myself that they are possibly be LE after the fact.  The more I spook myself out, the more likely I am to cancel or no-show on the appointment.  The last thing I want to do is talk to someone I am convinced is LE or predatory.

You mentioned a lot of things I never thought of, but then again I never thought of hurting anyone.

The sad thing is that all this pressure from LE is not going to stop ladies from working and guys from patronizing.   What it will do is drive us deeper underground where we become more obscure.  Isn't that what makes us particularly vulnerable to predators in the first place??

This is really interesting to me, especially since my post last week. And I apologize but although I am not a blond like Summer, I couldn't read thru all the drama either
1. If the appointment was never confirmed - I think both are at fault. Need better communication
2. Was it really necessary to call her out. I would have spent little more time figuring out why it occurred. Miscommunication, is she okay(did something happened to her) , or did I get really screwed? After little more investigation if you really did get screwed I would have no problem you letting us know. I think that one thing the gentleman has to understand that this is a business for Maree. Just like he would not want someone to hurt his business thru a misunderstand, Maree and other ladies also don't want you to hurt their business if it simply a misunderstanding. Rome wasn't built in a day and you sir did not have to conclude your investigation so hastily  
3. P411, datecheck , TER are all just small source in verifying a client. They are NOT 100% proof.  
4. I might be wrong here, but I think Maree uses Alexander to make appointments. So her well being is not confirmed by someone logging into p411 (once again I could be wrong here).  
5. I definitely see the point Sedona is making in that she can literally get to the door and turn around because her spiddy senses went off. She avoided another LE bust! But I wonder what if it was a false alarm. As I states in my previous post, I had to bail out (emergency) but I gave the full amount to the lady. What happens to the gentlemen who took time off from work(lost of income) and paid for a hotel room. Does he get compensated???  
In all the years I've been in the hobby I've had one miscommunications with a lady, one lady I stood up (last week), and too many ladies who no showed that I lost count. I've never been compensated
6. Sorry for the lengthy response - don't blame you if you didn't read it all

Ki.wan;
   Thanks and no, I personally didn't find it to be too lengthy a reply. As usual, yours is a voice of rational reasoning.
   I too feel the original author should have waited longer before calling someone out as a NCNS, especially in light of Maree seeming to have a stellar reputation. Personally I'd have given it a few days of trying to find out what had happened before calling someone out. But I can also relate to someone being pissed off if he felt that a NCNS had occurred. As you wrote in your post, it is not a good situation for either side when these things happen.
    Thanks again for your post.    Regards......RR

It would be nice to have some way to share information about NCNS, although I fear it could easily get out of hand with the difficulty of verifying the appointment and NCNS.  As it is, I have come to accept NCNS as part of the hobby.   My experience has been at least about 10-15% NCNS.  I only see providers who have very good reviews, so that is no guarantee.  That includes one who has excellent reviews, and apologized the next day when she finally texted me back.  I agreed to give her another try a week later, and she NCNS again!