one for the hardworking hobbyists who don't have unlimited budgets and the honest providers that have realistic fees and enjoy the company of these Real hobbyists.  The other tier could be for the HIGH DOLLAR providers who don't seem to understand that Hard Working Hobbyists don't go around throwing their money away....and the Rich Hobbyist who does seem to care what they pay for a session.  I for one don't have alot of excess money to hobby with and if I can find attractive fun providers that charge a reasonable fee...then I can see a variety of providers!

When you higher priced providers whine about us more value minded hobbyists...walk a mile in our shoes...go get a real job and see how much money you have to play with and how eager you are to spend it.  Just remember that your career as a high dollar provider will decline in time and then you may start to realize what some of us are talking about.  Oh, and don't forget that we pay taxes on our hard earned dollars!  Uncle Sam gets about 30% of our money before we even think about spending some on the hobby.  I know that some provider will say she pays taxes on her money...my guess would be only enough is claimed to look honest to Uncle Sam.

Anyway, if there was a two tier system in TER....I don't think the High Dollar one would be very interesting and would not have alot of discussion...therefore TER would probably just axe it after awhile for lack of discussion.

The providers are not complaining.  It's only some guys, you
being one of them, that are complaining.

If you can't afford a Benz, you don't visit a Benz dealership.
You just go to the Ford dealership.  That's how the free market
works.

Now you can DREAM about a Benz.  Or you can complain how shitty
they are (from friends that have told you about them).  But
that is you choice.  But whatever you choice, the complaints
aren't going to change the market (the Benz isn't going to be
any closer to your reach).

There already is a two tier system....

Those "in the know" and the rest. thanks to the wonders of modern communication the % of those in the know grows and the uninformed segment continues to shrink. This is not an inexpensive "hobby" and most of the regular players have a pretty good understanding of the "bang to buck" ratio....

Since Abbey...er Carla stuck her nose in we'll pick on her again...

Amazing she need to travel to make a living isnt it...also amazing that with all the "bashing" not 1 satisfied customer has EVER come out and said a single positive thing in her defense.

Pricing will always be an issue in this "business"...I recognize the realities and merit of the free enterprise system and certainly understand any providers need to find the right price point that satisfies there needs....

Just dont hide behind your price if your a so called "elite" provider and someone asks "why should I pay a premium for your services?"....

If the only thing "elite" about you is your asking price then your not really very elite...

Then again the old catch phrase "theres a sucker born every minute" still holds true I guess...

How is Carla hiding behind price?  She charges a price, people
choose to pay (or not).  She has 5+ pages of stellar reviews!
Only a few people like yourself don't get the fact that it's an
individual's choice to see or not to see a provider.

You obviously have an issue with Carla.  Why not air that out
instead of masquerading as the Ralph Nader of the Phoenix TER
board.  You act as if you're doing the TER community a favor
by alerting us to some evil that has been perpetuated on the
community.  We can make our own choices we don't need a price
whiner to do it for us.


-- Modified on 11/14/2004 10:22:51 AM

1st off I'M not this Abbey Normal person Mr. AZHACKER, If I respond on the boards I don't need to hide behind an alias.

2nd I don't need others to defend me here especially my clients, they are very satisfied with me and my performance and don't need to be attacked by idiots like you or subjected to attacks, I have that respect with them.

3rd I travel and tour at clients requests, I have lots of clients that want me to come to their cities and I do. I make a great living here or any place I go.

4th as far as customer satisfaction my reviews speak for themselves.

5th you can keep being an idiot and make assumptions that i am hiding under an alias (which I am not) or you can contact the moderator or staff and find out for yourself

6th Get a life!!!!

First, what to you is a HIGH DOLLAR provider? Maybe their prices are higher because they don't want a client that wants to go around and have a variety of everyone else. So they set the bar a little higher than the rest to weed ones like you out. Then there is quality which it seems to be what every guy wants but wants it for free. Then you want the provider to see that you’re a hardworking taxpayer and give you a discount for doing what every other American does.  Well my suggestions are read the reviews and make your own logical decision.

I don't know the whole story behind this obvious drama but clear it else where. You are not only insulting or making demeaning comments towards me but to every provider except the one that charges $5. Every one on top of her is a more expensive provider. (Exaggerated example)  To state an opinion of what you feel you would pay for hobby is fine but you're generalizing all the higher girls and basically saying we're not worth shit and that’s how to treat us and pay us.  

1. "walk a mile in our shoes...go get a real job and see how much money you have to play with and how eager you are to spend it."

The majority of all providers I know have done the "Real" job and for own personal reasons decided this full time or they do this on the side. Why don't you get a "real" hobby and stop whining about your dissatisfaction with the variety here in Phoenix. Like in an earlier response if you can't afford the Benz then go get your 10yr 100, 00 warranty Hyundai.

2. "Oh, and don't forget that we pay taxes on our hard earned dollars!"
How do you exclude the 250/month (average) that you spend toward the hobby? Are you an honest to the T taxpayer? Maybe not every provider does her taxes but maybe not every person in your office pays there taxes either. GET OVER IT you sound almost envious that you're not walking in our shoes.

Last final thought: I feel it's the provider choice who she sees, what rate she's comfortable at, and all the reasons why, but not yours. What gives you the authority to tell someone what they're worth and bash them for it?

First of all the main point of my thread is that it would be a dull board if everyone agreed on everything. I tried to hit on a few things like taxes to help provideres like Carla see our point of view.  Not all hobbyists are men making 6 figures or more a year and what is wrong with getting a good service for what is considered a reasonable price.  Don't most women shop for the best deals on clothes and jewelry?

I make enough money to buy a Benz if I really wanted too..but I choose to put some money into retirement and plan for the future instead of spending it as though I don't have other obligations.  

I think that you may have mis-understood me on one thing...I like the providers that have reasonable ( to me) pricing and didn't imply that they were less of a provider or person than the high dollar provider. I think that the majority of high priced providers are overrated and certainly don't give that much better of service to justify the pricing.  I do however appreciate your point of view...that the decerning gentleman that can afford a higher priced provider may choose that lady thinking that she does not see as many clients...and in general that would appear true...but not always.  

Well I have to go to work and hope that you have a good day!

Is it the reading or the comprehension you have problems with???

Your replies aren't even relevent to whats been posted. I've never once said Carla's "hiding" behind price or "bashed" her for being a "bad" provider. I'm simply stating that her level of service isnt in anyway above that of any other top flight provider here (but her price is). Further, that just because she's Brazilian doesn't mean she provides a "Brazilian experience" she doesnt. My comment is simple....there is no absolute correlation between price and performance in this business or any other. As far as I'm concerned there are alot better options out there....

Funny not a single "satisfied customer" has stepped up and said...wow...CARLA is expensive but boy is she worth it...that speaks volumes to me. Look at the "fan club" that Isabella,MJ,Mya,Jordan Kay, Kara and others have....were's hers??

Carla - come visit San Diego, we could use a hottie like you for  a visit.  As to the suggestions of some people being overpriced - I don't get the arguement.  Nobody is forcing anyone to see a provider they do not choose to see.  If you don't like the price, don't go there.  I like the comment about affording a Menz, but I have also seen a beautiful, fantastic provider on several occasions who is "value priced".  I actually told her she should raise her rates.  It really isn't the money that determines what you'll get, but if your not comfortable with the arrangements, why make them.  The "higher tier" aren't begging for your business.  Bottom line, this "hobby" is a buyers market,  choose your dates, decide for yourself, and stop whining.  Everyone has good and not so good experiences.  Repeat the good, get over the bad and yes - get a life.

Remember everyone - Have a good time, isn't that what we are all looking for.

I have posted previously before on this board about the wide variety of ladies in the Valley of the Sun and how one can find pretty much whatever one is looking for.

The bottom line, IMHO, is that if you desire the company of a higher-priced provider, then pay the price.  If you can't afford it, then save up or see someone more in your price range.

I choose to be selective in who I see and am willing to make an expediture for the best according to my view.   If you want the sexy, performance curves of a Ferrari, you just can't do it on the Chevy budget.  Since Stacee can be well described as a sexy, fiery Ferrari Testarossa, if you can't afford to play, then you are really missing out on her, but don't try and commoditize based upon on a pricing tier.  That already depersonalizes the ladies we enjoy so much.

This profession and life in general are not fair, but at least in this arena, one can save up and experience the fantasy.

Just my two cents and that's probably not worth even that!

that is what makes this hobby of ours so great.  The market in any business is defined by inventory and demand.  If a higher priced provider is in demand and they can make what they want at a higher rate and people are willing to pay it then they should charge it.  If a provider likes more volume and consistancy then they charge the rate they prefer and believe will keep them in demand.  No one really cares who charges what and we all know what is one persons' cup of tea maybe anothers cup of coffee.  Again that is what makes this hobby so special.  It really is in the eyes of the beholder.

This entire thread is just a repeat of a thread called "It is only pussy" that I started months ago. My point was the same as many others here. Why would someone pay $500 or more when they can get just as good a service, just as good a person, and just as good sex for much less. Just read the reviews and look at the website photo's. There are many 9-10's that charge much less.

I also have found that in TJ you can get a girl for an overnighter for under $200 who puts any Phoenix provider to shame in both looks and sex.

LOL...

And who are you to open your mouth, no reviews so if you play you dont share. If your a provider you obviously have something to hide since it's an alias. In fact I havent ever seen your ID prior to this. So....

STFU and get a life....sound familiar?

If someone wants to blow Five bills on Carla more power to em...but asking the fundemental question...."Gee, what am I getting for your overmarket rate?" sure isnt out of line in my book...or anyone else's with more than 2 brain cells....

-- Modified on 11/17/2004 10:01:35 PM

"MY Agenda" is simple....honesty and value.

Whats yours, all you are is Carla and your only agenda is you. You dont even exist, so just go crawl under your cyberrock where you belong.