I happened to browse back thru the AZMystique thread from local fan. Both he & fiveanddime (who bashed em for some reason) have ZERO reviews between them...meanwhile every other poster has reviews up.

I think that free speech is valuable and should be protected but I think that if your going to take a shot it should be under your "real" handle and allowed only if your a provider or a contributer.

I know Taylor Lynn wouldnt have pissed on me if I was on fire awhile back (or Kara)...I posted my opinion under MY handle and took accountability for my posts. Once we all had a chance to meet we developed an understanding and from my side at least an appreciation.

Bottom line is simple, if your gonna throw rocks then do it the right way. Otherwise dont throw the rock....just crawl under it.

so, it's not free speech is it?  Sounds kinda conditional?

In a way it is, I just dont see the value of allowing ongoing personal vendetta's waged under aliases. You got a beef or just dont like someone or something....fine. But malicious sniping behind a false front is almost as bad as false reviews to me. Sure the "regulars know whats up, but anyone else wont. This same person went and tryed to hammer them  on another board as well.

The thread wasnt directed specifically at that but its the latest in what I consider ongoing abuse....

First of all, I do agree it's wrong for someone to post nasty things while hiding under an alias. TER is supposed to remove those kinds of posts anyway.

But telling a person he's not credible because he doesn't post reviews doesn't make sense.

Maybe the guys here don't realize how FEW of you post reviews.

Perhaps some ladies may ask their clients to post reviews, but most of us don't. I'd say the majority of gentlemen who have seen me have never posted one review of anyone.

They do so for a variety of reasons--privacy the most likely reason.

I think we should encourage posts from everyone, whether they be long-time lurkers, newbies, or regular posters--and it shouldn't matter whether they have zero reviews or 100.

If someone does post something controversial or unpleasant, the community here can scold him/her publicly--just as they always have.

Chrissy makes a point.  This board should take all posts no matter where they come from  If one does not like them then attack accordingly and state your case.  Many of us have been on both ends of the specturm.  Big shoulders and credibility win the day. It is those that deceive and outright lie that need to be banned and scorned.  Jealousy is a terrible but can be the best form of flattery.

Cheers!

If your posting something of a general nature....sure. But if your bashing an agency (or independent) you've never seen I take issue. I dont see how you can consider that "credible"

I'll use my own actions to illustrate. I've always ragged on Carla...partially over her rates, but also some of her general comments/attitude. However I never ever insinuated that she provided anything less than a "quality" experience...just that she topped out over my own "line in the sand". Everyone could and did judge my comments one way or the other...and thats fine. Those comments were made under my "handle" never behind a false front. Guess I was raised to believe that you dont say anything behind someones back you won't say to their face.

As for writing reviews vs "lurking"....

1st, I've never been asked to write a review by a provider. If I meet someone I like I'll ask if they mind. My ATF here in phoenix doesnt allow reviews and doesnt see anyone she doesnt know already...so not everyone wants public attention. But I'll always provide a review otherwise...just as long as its understood I'll call it like I see it.

Boards like this are only valuable if folks contribute content...just my 2 cents.

Same goes with you girls Mya. Whats your point here? To get in a guy verses girl pissing match seems counter productive. My opnion on the matter is simply do not respond to any poster who uses an alias. Most of us are adults here and we know each other in our personal lives. If we cant communicate with our own Handle we shouldn't at all. Aliases are for weak people who are afraid to voice their own opnion in their own name. As a wise man once said "Lead, Follow, or get out of the way" Peace, Dan

Most people do not write reviews and this is an unknown fact that most hobbiest dont realize. I would love to have the TER stats concerning the percentage of paid members vs Review writing members. I think the Hobbiest community would be shocked by the results. Although I have maybe 9 reviews posted Ive been a member of TER for many many years and im sure ive seen at least twice that many providers. I used TER when traveling for years before ever posting on a message board here. Most people use TER mail or other backchannel means to communicate and stay off the boards. Aliases are a joke and should be skipped over, I for one will not respond to an alias anymore.

there are many groups, clicks, circles, etc. that come out of this board.  Some get along with others and some don't.  As I said earlier, anyone can post, although I agree with hacker, using an alias is chicken shit if is used in attack mode.  If the alias gets attacked then so be it.  Some are more vocal than others.  Some are more active than others and have more to contribute.  Most providers know who is spending their dollars in the community especially if they are active on the boards.  Reviews also tell the story.  I know many hobbyist who don't like to post reviews for their own personal reasons.  But I know them to be active.  Danny hit the nail on the head, the stats would shock this board of members v those that post.  For my part, I call it like i see it.  If someone wants to go at me I never take things personal, at least no yet, but I will come back with the same vengence if not more.  I try to be fair and always try to support the community at large be it independent or agency.  You of all people should know that.  I am careful how I speak of my own, while attempting to recognize and comment on those independents I know to be credible and good at what they do and provide.  I still see independents and also providers from some of the other agencies in town as I don't see those that work for mystique since they started working for mystique.  Just my own code.  Look at my reviews that tells the story.  Most regular members of this board know each other either by handle or by personal meetings or associations.  When an alias pops up it is easy to spot and most times easy to figure out the agenda based on the post. Rambling a lot but I think you get the point

Mya....

I actually wasn't trying to "bring up" any old thread. This is an ongoing minor "issue". Hobbiests "threatening" and writing bogus reviews. Providers catfighting and so on....

I know that opinions will differ and I agree that everyones "allowed" to voice theirs...I just found it amazing that the same folks keep bringing up the same BS under new aliases...as for the "grouping" togeather part...I'd agree that there are lots of cliques that share info. But that cuts both ways. You and I have never met...let alone spent any time BCD...but anytime I end up reccomending gals your right there with MJ, Jordan Kay, Kara etc...gals I have spent time with. How/why...since "my people" know "your people" and I know just what a great gal you are I know I'm giving honest 411...

You bashed me plenty and never saw ANYONE in my organization.   So "But if your bashing an agency (or independent) you've never seen I take issue. I dont see how you can consider that 'credible'" is a ridiculous statement for you to make.

And read how both Danordanny and Jackson4117 have talked like they DON'T own the agency and speak about how great their people are FROM EXPERIENCE (Kayla, Kennedy, Robin). Who's to say that their girls' reviews aren't bogus as well?  Anyone can make up a name.  Jackson4117 has at least three.  

I also believe that if you go back to the beginning when they first opened, you'll see a post from Danordanny saying "good luck", etc. but not one word on the fact that he owns the place.

You are right, I'm not a boardmember and don't receive your discounts.  Maybe that's why I haven't supported them like you do.  What is your discount, anyway?

Once I saw the thread was posted by an alias I paid no further attention to it, as I said, " I dont believe in aliases so the thread therefore dosent excist ".  As for my "Buddies" jumping all over HIM, we dont know what sex an alias is. I believe my buddie azhacker ( whom i've met 3 times ) was making an observation which is his right to do. Seems like an over reaction to a simple post. You make it sound like I hang out with people who post frequently (a little boys club) if you will. I hang out with one person that is a frequent poster. Hell Mya, I've spent more personal time with you in the outside world then my so called buddies. If you Mya are interested in a local rate from azmystique simply call them and ask. So let's kiss and make up, It's your turn to buy lunch.

I dont own the place... FACT, show me the facts. Of course i wished them luck, just as i give kudos to all the honest agencys out there. What investments I have are my business but I do own a lot of enron, any takers? NO SOUP FOR YOU.

five and dime you are once again way off the mark.  you forget i was hobbying way long before i got involved with mystique.  I have known the providers mentioned for over two years.  Robin worked for a well known lady in this town when she first started.  For those that know, which is certainly not you, whe and Paige were the rave for around six to eight months over a year ago.  As for Kayla I saw her two years ago in Dallas and many times since.  Itgs nice to know your jealous that someone who does it right and knows people and can bring those people to the hobby community that are talented gets your goat.  Course you are probabley, Jimmy Lick, aka Model 62, aka Desert Skrub, aka localfan and now fiveanddime.  If your not a surrogate of those alias.  Yes I have two names.  Everyone on this board knows that.  Jackson4117 and Loverboy57.  Don't know about a third, you keep up on my business more than I do.  But hey, keep those cards and letters coming, I like good debates, especially when you are so dumb you can't ever get your facts straight.  By the way, how is your new agency your supposedly backing doing?  Are is that just a rumor started by one of the providers who wants a agency.

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As far as local rates and discounts are conerned, Azmystique already gives a discount to everyone.  Not to say there are not normal problems as with any business, and no one is perfect, but you can strive to achieve as much perfection as possible.  And yes my dear, I was the beneficiary of your kind discounts when you had the QT's.  And over the year you had some good ones.  I still miss Nikki, Lexi and Desiree.  Wish they were back.

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Mya, if this is a real guy why did he not call or email and ask the question.  He chose to go on a public board and make allegations.  If you know who he is pm me and i'll gladly talk to him.  There is a vendetta by Phil and all his alias's against Danny because Danny did the leg work and found out he was posting fake reviews on his own girls.  He even tried to discredit and lie on the ASPD board in Texas.  He got shot down there too.  So yes, when there is an attack as in his last post the attack will get answered in kind.  You seem to like being in the middle of this and have all the answers.  Enlighten us if thats the case.

You DONT know dick about anything. I did not get whispergirls banned. Are you implying that I have the power to get agencys banned from TER and would do so because I wanted to open an agency? How insulting and low can you get? Whats your agenda this time Mya? Do you even read your own bullshit before you press the button? You call me plenty of times on my phone, why arn't you calling me personally to discuss these petty thoughts your having? You are becoming a master at the SPIN.

Where are you getting your info that your fees are "lower for first time customers than anyone's," and that AZMystique "pays its providers more than any agency in this town?"  Those are pretty bold statements to make considering you have no idea what arrangements other agencies have with their clients or girls.  Be careful that you don't have a kneejerk reaction to criticism that ends up alienating not only potential clients but your colleagues as well.

I think you just lost your "good customer" discount, and not just with myself and Zoe.