I have used her service several times and have sent many friends in her direction.  She is DISCREET and keeps a low profile.

Seems awefully odd that a handle pops up seemingly out of nowhere and the second post is regarding endorsing an agency who's legitamacy has raised questions on this board.

If you've seen them several times, where's the beef? Let's see some reviews.

And another question? Why would you post a new thread when the one just below yours is the original thread topic? Could it be that this would violate TER's policy of responding to the same thread you created with an alias? Something you don't want the moderator to take note of?

-- Modified on 11/26/2005 12:13:27 PM

First, "desertwater22" isn't an alias, being an alias hunter and all you should be taught how to identify one, lest you accidentally hunt down a main account name and hang it over your mantle.

The little envelope next to the name designates the registered username for the account...see how both "jordansgirls" and "desertwater22" have little envelopes?  Not an issue of two aliases in the same thread...now if it is the same person it would be an issue of multiple accounts, but that isn't protected by starting new thread.

Two, you state that the handle pops up seemingly out of nowhere, granted not a lot of posts by this user, only one other actually, but it was made in the firestorm over shilling and actually made mention of prefering indies...though will use agencies and made a suggestion for those wanting discounts to stick with a loyal indie, or join an angecies website...odd advice to give if this is "jordansgirls" since Jordan's Girls is an agency who's website doesn't have a membership.

As to the new thread issue, you've never seen that happen before? You have never seen someone accidentally start a thread the write "ooops that was to such and such thread below"?  It happens, it is not proof of misconduct.  Also, the other post made by "desertwater22" started a new thread, could be because he doesn't post much he doesn't do the reply thing well...or he just likes to make his own threads.

You ask why "desertwater22" doesn't do the community a service and write a review? Well yeah...I mean hell just look how much his effort at assuring the community with his post was welcomed by you. Not everyone writes reviews, and they don't have to, maybe he tried and his is one of the reviews "jordansgirls" was talking about not being posted, maybe he doesn't want a whole thread started where people state that his review must be a fake and how it's the agency owner writing her own reviews and all the other stuff that happens so often, I mean if he had a review of one of the ladies from that agency post in say the next week...would it satisfy you or would you characterise it as further proof of some sort of collusion?

Also, to be a bit of the devil's advocate, seems to me that the only issue with the agency in question is a lack of reviewes and ads and mentions, haven't seen any negative statements about it, just a lack of statements.  So why go on the attack as if a lack of positive mentions immediately means something negative? Many ladies and agencies don't have or want reviews, that doesn't make them ripoffs.  You would think that if in the four years "jordansgirls" states they have been around, if they were a ripoff, or B&S or just bad service someone might have wrote a review, made a post, PMed someone. Said something?  Said anything?

The thread below is actually asking clients to post mini-reviews as there is a lack of reviews, not exactly hiding or trying to keep anyone quiet...or if it is an effort at having bad things be hush hush...it is very odd tactic.

Nothing wrong with attempting to protect others from being ripped off, or helping your fellow TERmites (pet name I like from the Atlanta boards), but when making accusations, from behind an alias, with proof that is either inconclusive or wrong, that doesn't actually help anyone.

For the record...I am not "jordansgirls" I am not "desertwater22" just me making some observations about what seemed in tone to be an angry and accusatory post, that had no facts or wrong assertations as it's basis.

Little. There are a few boards that are moderated where that little envelope means something. This is not one of them.

And the issue is not the one you state. The issue is that they state they've been in business four years and can't possibly understand why there are no reviews. Yet their domain was registered in June of 2005. And the first use of the handle does not appear until August 2005.

So how do you explain that for a four year-old agency? Me? The whole thing stinks.

Oh and for the record, I know you're not the person in question. At least I've seen your name on many other boards I visit.

I did say it would be an issue of multiple accounts, that would, usually unless "jordansgirls" is rather savy computer user, show up in the IPs.

You say this forum isn't moderated, so then does everyone that posts here have unmoderated status? even if they have only posted once before?
I would assume that having only one other post the  account of "desertwater22" would still require approval for messages to post, I would assume the same for "jordansgirls" as she is a very infrequent poster, so (granted I do not know the mod tools of TER but am assuming certaing things from the message board sites I have modded and Admined) that the IPs would be visable to the one approving those posts, and that the message body which would be read to be approved would be a big sign of a ruse had that been the case that both were being made from the same IP.

Oh, and I am not defending "jordansgirls" as I can't since I know nothing of them, much as no one here knows anything of them so I am simply stating it might be wise to have proof before you set fire to the village.

Oh, and to your point of the time discrepancy, I have a friend  in another state has been in business for over ten years but only took her business online a year and a half ago, so it is possible to be new to the web but be seasoned in the business.

I didn't mean to cause a major upheavel in TER world.  I like to read the board.  I rarely post anything, because it seems most people get attacked for saying what is on their mind.

I enjoy the company of beautiful women.  Especially, those who have a great head on their shoulders.  Jordan had a girl who worked for her for two years named Melissa.  I saw her on a regular basis.  Sexy and Smart (you know, the great combination).  I was heartbroken when Melissa parted ways with Jordan.

I recently found Melissa on another agency site and have since rekindled our friendship.  I guess she worked as and indie for awhile and now works for Desert Divas (30ish, long blond hair, white crop tank shirt and jeans).

All I wanted to do was let everyone know the valleys best kept secret (for lack of a better phrase) was Jordansgirls.  I didn't mean for it to turn into WW3

Discreet? Low profile?? Give me a break!  One of the reasons I commented in the other thread was the fact that jordansgirls regularly posts derisive, defensive and/or offensive comments to regular members of this community without (in my opinion) any standing for doing so.  Just search 365 days back for messasges posted by 'jordansgirls' for some hilarious examples of how to NOT be discreet and low profile.

-- Modified on 11/26/2005 10:18:55 PM

I actually posted that I recant my statements as to this agency, but not the idea of prudence in making accuastions, 4 1/2 hours before "Hedonist too"s post and 7 hours before yours.

I had been contacted by someone that gave me the skinny on things, that I had not been aware of at the time I originally posted to this and the thread below. But I do appreciate you're wanting to help me understand things, I do apologise from posting from a place of ignorance...I shall attempt not to do so again, but I can't promise anything...*grin*

-- Modified on 11/27/2005 12:35:46 PM

Thank you my dear it is nice to know that I have many fans! I love you all!

Well it was not me if that is what you are inferring I have proof this is why I have not responded to these messages as I was in Mexico all weekend drinking some good tequilla. My service or agency should have no doubts the only bad thing is you are missing out on a good time!

Wow all I have to say is you turn me on..you seem intelligent. It is not me that person who left the comment. I have no reviews, not from lack of service trust me! I have no clue why not why don't you all take a chance it will be the best time of your life! Look don't take my word for it...I don't have to "phish" or beg for anything...we are all quite content and have many regular clients! I just would like to be known as a good place on the erotic review that is all. I hear some of you clients are quite fantabulous! I can't wait to chat with you! Thanks for all your insight I hope we get to talk one day web terrorist...as a matter of fact I think we might have chatted a couple of times in the chat room thanks for everything you are a wise man!

Ummm....yes I have been in business four years...oh wait I lied let's see january 2001-nov 2005 it won't be four years for another two months...lol it is easy I have been in the phone book under independent fantasies for four years look it up do the research. I have also placed the same add in the newtimes weekly for the same amount of time if you need that much proof and can't take a person's word for it look it up. Cut me some slack I am an awesome place...oh well your loss other people's gain TATA for now!

wow it is sooo funny I am a reputable agency and a friendly girl what is all your guys beef...look it aint bothering me at all because this is seeming more and more like a bunch of people just plain out hating. Look the girls are here they are pretty they are nice and they are flat rate FS what more do you need?

See I now know there is some type of sabatoge going on...I knew it. Someone who knows someone who knows someone that is a reliable source...aruuugghh I give up on this erotic review thing. I have obviously done something right for four years so I will stick to that. Adios to all of you and for those of you who don't want to just jump on the bandwagon give me a call. Don't let others bully you into not using my service it is awesome and you won't be disappointed!

After my posts, which by the way didn't actually defend anyone but really only that stated that "proof should be requisite for a attack", I became really popular, I got PMs, I got talked to in chat, I got people offering to talk to me in chat.  

So, I question myself, I thought maybe I was defending something that shouldn't be defended, so I recanted, funny thing is...guess what? I got popular again more chat stuff, more PMs.

With each side telling me I was right or wrong depending on what I wrote and whether or not they agreed with me. Thing is, I am wrong.

My initial posts to this were simply saying accusations without evidence shouldn't be used to destroy...now that was right, it still is.
That is right in this case it was right when "Cheri Coxx"s legitimacy was being questioned, and it will still be right when the next independant or agency faces accusations here.

I was wrong when I took that statement back, not because I do or do not know if this agency is good or bad...hell I admitted that in my first posts, I was wrong because I let the fear of being wrong confuse the issue for me, I allowed it to become about the parties on, or in support of, either side and because it made me second guess something as reasonable as thinking an attack on anyone shouldn't be accepted or supported just because there is a lack of evidence either way.

So, all this new found popularity made me think it best that I never try and speak up for what I think right again, lest I mis-speak, I was ready to tuck my tail, hang my head and slink away in shame...and maybe that would have been wise, but instead I let it gnaw at me, I let it bother me, and I let it cause me to further question myself.

So, only one thing left for the obsessed to do, obsess further.  So I reread all the posts here, and I reread the above post that I was called to read, and I searched out every post by or about "jordansgirls".  

You know what? Damnedest thing....I still didn't find any proof.  I still found two reviews for a lady that at one time worked there, and still found the reviewers to not be suspect.  I still found that the reasons the member that started this thread was accused didn't make much sense.  

I found that "jordansgirls" does lack a certain finesse, and that she may not be the most, shall we say, emotionally restrained person that posts here, and some drama...but no proof of being a rip off, no proof of B&S no proof of anything wrong.  Lots of questions about the agency, many misgivings and much suspicion but, no one came forward and said they had been ripped off, or that the lady on the site wasn't the one that came to the door, or whatever.

Now there were a few things with a few ladies involved, but that I really won't try and speak to. I may not know if a provider or angency is legit, but I really don't know relationship stuff. So that I refuse to touch, and will continue to refuse to touch it, even if I had big industrial rubber gloves, and some steel tongs, becuase if I don't know the why of these accusations I sure hell don't know the why behind any of that, and I am pretty sure I don't want to...I know, to some extent, some of the people involved, and what I think of them won't be altered by such.

Thing is, I read this and other regional boards on TER, snd I see all kinds of posts by guys saying they TOFTT, lots of posts about upselling, rip-offs, B&S, providers with multiple reviews all in the 1-4 range for both ratings...and on and on and on, and no posts of that sort about "jordansgirls", just like there had been no negative posts, with anything but accusations, about "Cheri Coxx".

Now, is "Jordan's Girls"  a bad agency?
I don't know.
Is "jordansgirls" trustworthy?
I don't know.
Are the accusations being made correct?
I don't know.

Now I have been told by people on both sides "Yes" and "No" to each of these questions, and thing is I have no reason to not believe any of them.  I like all the people I have had occassion to talk to about this, some more than others, but that happens and I am sure their reasons for believing as they do are valid.  I have no stake in this one way or the other, I get no benefit if anything is found true or false.

I guess that begs the question why do I care then? Well, I am a dyed in the wool, die hard romantic idealist, and I believe that even if I may think one way or the other on this situation due to what I have been told and what has been shared with me, and my experiences with those involed separate from this issue, it is still important to have a starndard by which accusations are made, by which one can defend themselves. No matter how things turn out this time, there will be a next time, and if I don't stand up for what's the decent thing now, will anyone stand for the decent thing when it happens again? or will it just be accepted?

I remember when I was in college, in a sociology class, we were talking about societal norms and such, and the issue arose of people being wrongly commited to mental hospitals.  The professor asked us, "if we had to, could we prove we were sane?" How different is it to ask someone to prove they are honest? When there is no evidence to the contrary, but none in support either, how do you prove that? perhaps simply by making the burden of proof lie with the accusor and not the accused.

Again, I am not defending Jordan's Girls.  I have never been there, and I have no idea if it is a good or bad agency. I know what people have told me behind the scenes, and I know what I am inclined to believe based on what was said, and who said it, but my personal opinion shouldn't hold sway in the face of a lack of evidence, and neither should anyone else's.  

If this is a bad agency I would welcome the proof so that the good agencies don't suffer due to the actions of the bad, just as if an independant lady is doing wrong it should be proven for the good of all the independant ladies, and for both it should be proven for the good of the clients. At the same time though if anyone is accused without proof and it is simply believed, and turns out to be false, that helps no one, not the accused, not the accusor, and not the community.

If you don't believe "jordansgirls" that's fine, but state that is your opinion, and that you can't prove it and then even explain why you feel as you do, but the barbs and "puting on notice" and such, if it works in this case right or wrong, when will it work when it is certainly wrong?

OK, sorry about the very long post, I am nothing if not verbose.  Sorry also about the recanting and unrecanting, hard to explain perhaps, but all I really have is my attempt to do the right thing, and I turned away from that for personal reasons,  so I had to return and again try and do what I believe is the right thing, not only for this issue but also for when this happens again.
If by my "unrecanting" I have disappointed or offended anyone I am sorry, but when I moved from my ideals, no matter how good I may think the reason was, I disappointed and offened myself.

You might owe Web Terrorist an aplology for she is not awise man, but a wise lady.She is awesome!But not a Mr at all.

-- Modified on 11/28/2005 7:44:34 AM

it all comes down to the usual prejudices if you like agencies you may give her a try. If you dont you wont.
Personally too many red flags for me to say go for it. Then again i have never used an agency and probably never will so im not the best opinion to listen too.
However with all the flaky indies ive been dealing with lately theres a certain allure to the idea of calling in my order and having her show up on time and ready to go.