and wont tell you who did it.

Given all the pomp and circumstance (not to mention the other possibilities) surrounding the dreaded "Shill" I felt it best to simply state that I had a great time and hope all your encounters are as good as mine are...especially this one.

Will I write a review, sure but it may be a while since I popped this out on the fly in a minute or two and a review takes alot longer.

From my perspective as a hobbiest I didnt see a single item of "value" for a guy with coin (and an itch) in his pants. Now this is not a slam aimed at the many fine ladies who've "advertised" in one form or another or at the various other postings. Simply an observation that I couldnt find anything that tickled my fancy. *** at edit*** just looking at the 1st 2 pages

Luckily I have the option to place a few calls and in no time I had a "sleeper" thats also a winner.

Just some food for thought, for those of us who want to spend money some better 411 will go a long way...but I hope the rest of you enjoy the jokes and the banter.

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Please re-read your post.
  As Carlos Mencia say's...."Dee Dee Dee". Are you retarded??? Sorry people but I am tired of stupid people.  

It does read odd. Made a little sense, but not a lot. Maybe he is just high on the afterglow hormone thinggie...
Donna, you crack me up though!

Here's your sign

I'm curious why you feel the need to ask me if I'm retarded?

I'll ask you a simple question in return. What is the primary purpose of this site and the Phoenix discussion board?

Whats "stupid" is what has happened over the last few years. This site is driven by one thing, reviews of providers by hobbiests. Yet for some reason accurate, timely, general information can't be disseminated here without the fear of some form of "blowback".

The core concept of my post was simple. I saw someone and had a great time but feel constrained from sharing the details on a "review board". To be honest that seems a bit "stupid" to me. So I wrote this thread which I hope may highlight the absence of meaningful content to the guy that counts...the one with the cash.

We used to have a vibrant community of actual living breathing cash spending guys who occasionally contributed 411 of value. Not just the few who were "board room" but a diverse and broadbased bunch. Overall the depth and quality was substancial.

You want to quote me a 3rd rate comic, well I'll raise you a folk song..."sometimes you don't know what you've got till it's gone"....

Hopefully this parking lot hasn't been completely paved over yet.

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Re: Here's your sign

It seems like for the most part it's just a handful of the same few BBWs taking shots at everyone so they can keep their names in front of everyone.

Perhaps if they were a little busier they wouldn't have the time or inclination to be so damn critical.

certainly no excuse for someone calling you retarded, and I agree with much of what you said.
If you don't feel comfortable doing reviews, that is certainly your perogitive.  However, as much as anything it is a cleaner way to consolidate 411 on a provider.  A message board is not really the best place for that kind of info if you want folks to have the ability to search back through historical information.  You could do keyword searches on a board and come up with some info for sure, but I think the review database is far more powerful. Often, providers change their name, so a search by phone number sometimes turns up good info.  Then there are the fields like CIM, BBBJ, etc...  lets say I am going on a trip to Seattle.  I could search around the message board and find some 411 certainly.  But the review database allows me to get so much more specific...Seattle, independent, asian, thin, C-cup or better,  overall rating of 8 or better.  I get 3 hits.  Easy way to narrow down my preferences from the hundreds of ladies in Seattle.
I'm not trying to say you are wrong, just bringing another perspective to the table.  I am not affiliated with this site in any way, just so you know...only a fellow hobbiest.

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-- Modified on 6/6/2008 6:25:07 AM

does a quick comment on a local BBS replace the value of a quality review. At the same time that review gets "lost" pretty quickly. Obviously when you see something that tickles your fancy its easy to run a search...

However the old "out of sight, out of mind" comes into play. Additionally the much lower traffic on the BBS (especially with regard to actual "hobbying activity" makes name recognition of reviewers less likely. Given the wide range of "grading" the reviews are often only as good as the reviewers. The BBS used to give you a pretty good feel for the guys writing the reviews as well.

The post was not ment as any form of attack as much as an attempt to highlight an aspect thats gone "missing". At one point is was pretty common to get a quality "tidbit" or two a day. Over the course of a week you might acrue 2-3 real possibilities. Additionally some of the traveling gals (both indie and agency) would be gone before a formal review even hit the system.

If I'm going to dust myself off and get "back in play" in any serious way here locally I'd sure like to be able to give and receive timely information.

Understood. Sorry but the post it's self was difficult to read and sort of did not make sense in certain parts. It was just the way it was structured. I had to re-read it a few times to "get it" and I think that is what Donna meant (?). I apologize for commentimg as well, but I was honest. It was just worded a little differently.

I am glad you had a good time and felt compelled to post about it. Having had a head injury, my words sometimes come out totally wrong and heaven knows I am no master of wording or structuring and I am sure I have posted and readers were thinking, "HUH???"

Peace,
Cheyenna

as a "knee jerk" reaction. Only she knows her true intent and since she hasn't commented I wont speculate. I do know that often times we view anyone new as competition and a threat.

The reality is that no hobbiest is 100% loyal to a particular gal. Variety is a big part of the equation. The key to growing any individuals business is growing the demand curve. During the time the BBS changes that growth was very real regardless of the activities here. Given the current realities the demand curve has shrunk regardless as well, but its much more important to nurture demand in a down economy. The healthier the overall pool of clients the better business will be for everyone.

No appology is needed, what is "required" is a small change in perspective. The goal isnt to discourage 411 in the hope you wont "lose" a client but to expand the overall demand for everyone but maximizing the chance for a successful outcome. Satisfied customers come back, if not to the same gal then to the "pool of providers" as a whole.

you identified yourself as being a part of a group of hobbyists who shill for girls when they needed help paying their bills.

a hobbyist IS a girl's business.
a pimp GETS a girl business.

how can a hobbyist suffer backlash ? have you lost something ? has your ability to hobby been somehow affected ?

when you cross the line between hobbyist and pimp, the value of your shills drop considerably.  as a direct result, the value of the board also drops.

please respect the integrity of this board by posting sincerely and by doing so, you will regain some of the credibility YOU have destroyed.  

The definition of a pimp as I understand it is:

"a person who solicits customers for a prostitute or a brothel, usually in return for a share of the earnings; pander; procurer."

There are many on this board, including you, who have posted favorably (shill?) about a particular provider which probably resulted in increased business for her.  

Does that make everyone a 'pimp' in your eyes?

The reality is that once again your true colors are coming thru here.

I've never received any economic incentive (goods or services) in return for a positive comment or review. We can see a specific example of how I operate right on the 1st page. A guy asks for some assistance and nothing...till I posted on twin cherry...then 2 people chime in very quickly. But neither said a thing till I broke the ice.

Why...

Very simply because of people like you who look for an ulterior motive or need to blame others for your apparent lack of business or other issues.

A hobbiest isnt a "girls business", he's a customer. And mistakenly assuming everyone else does business like you doesnt justify using the term "pimp".

Every hobbiest here is suffering from the lack of timely 411. We've lost the ability to make quality choices. Twin cherry is well known and a year or two ago the guy would have had a dozen guys recommend her. So yes all of us are suffering from to little quality 411.

Your the person who has crossed the line repeatedly. Just your "ad" on backpage is a clear warning to anyone with a brain to stay far far away from you.

I'm not "shilling" for anyone, and your post here clarifies the real problem. I have every right to compliment a gal I have a good time with. Other hobbiests are entitled to the availability of that information. They can chose to value or disgard it as they see fit. YOU do not have the power or right to censor the flow of information to the community as a whole.

Just reading your comments above makes it very clear that you have no respect or compassion for any of the guys you see.

The reality is that once again your true colors are coming thru here.

I've never received any economic incentive (goods or services) in return for a positive comment or review. We can see a specific example of how I operate right on the 1st page. A guy asks for some assistance and nothing...till I posted on twin cherry...then 2 people chime in very quickly. But neither said a thing till I broke the ice.

Why...

Very simply because of people like you who look for an ulterior motive or need to blame others for your apparent lack of business or other issues.

A hobbiest isnt a "girls business", he's a customer. And mistakenly assuming everyone else does business like you doesnt justify using the term "pimp".

Every hobbiest here is suffering from the lack of timely 411. We've lost the ability to make quality choices. Twin cherry is well known and a year or two ago the guy would have had a dozen guys recommend her. So yes all of us are suffering from to little quality 411.

Your the person who has crossed the line repeatedly. Just your "ad" on backpage is a clear warning to anyone with a brain to stay far far away from you.

I'm not "shilling" for anyone, and your post here clarifies the real problem. I have every right to compliment a gal I have a good time with. Other hobbiests are entitled to the availability of that information. They can chose to value or disgard it as they see fit. YOU do not have the power or right to censor the flow of information to the community as a whole.

Just reading your comments above makes it very clear that you have no respect or compassion for any of the guys you see.

I don't know Texas Toast.  I know Ana and I know Donna (both are super women). I also know a few other people in the business.

Nothing wrong with trying to get reduced rates or free stuff.  It’s like the TMAN thing.  Its not what you do its how you do it.

I have bought and I have sold in this business.  

If Texas Toast were in front of me I would say,

When you want to post something you like about a girl be specific.  We don't care if she rocked your world.  We care if she is going to rock our world.

So how about something like she had nipples so long and hard and you sucked on them for an hour.  Or when you kissed the back of her neck her perfume made you dizzy.  Or when you pulled her pony tail she got wet.

So she makes three million dollars off that post and she kisses you on the check for it.  Who cares as long as the post is honest.  You can help the girls and the guys at the same time.

Never forget.  We are family.

maybe cuz you proved my point by arguing over the internet, if you recall my post from a couple weeks ago, lol

-- Modified on 6/10/2008 3:31:14 AM

i frequent the boards when i have trouble winding down after a long night... I'm sure many other girls do too. From my understanding, their business is doing just fine... Mine certainly is. Personality goes far, alot farther than the shallow contempt of a provider based solely on her appearance.

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-- Modified on 6/10/2008 3:46:31 AM

I have been accused of many things but manners?  That really hurt.

Thats worse than saying I am cheap.(yes I am)

Thanks you are are sweet. (And damn hot)

Cheyenne likes her hair pulled?  Humm that give me little tingles.