I find it strange because I lived in the Seattle area for a number of years. There is an area Seattle that a provider friend of mine said that the cops leave alone. Kind of a "free" zone if you want to call it that. Seattle was a great city for someone in the hobby. You do need to be a little more careful with the cops though. That artical seems a bit blown out of porpotion though. My friend new a lot of girls in the "free" zone and they NEVER had any trouble with the police. Then again, they never used Craig's List. lol
Brad
Avoiding getting busted is easy if you think.
Gentlemen, two things, do not hand the provider the money, put it on a counter, desk whatever, have it in an envelope. Second, never ask for the sex act. You may lose out on a legitimate provider but I doubt it but you can't get busted if you don't ask for it.
Ladies, never ask for the money, if they give it to you, don't take it, have them put their 'stuff' on a table, chair, or whatever, but do not take it in your hand.
The following is a newspaper article from a Seattle newspaper. It includes the link.
Prostitution sting leads to 104 arrests
Full story: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003432936_craigslist16m.html
By Sara Jean Green
Seattle Times staff reporter
Rented furnishings and hidden cameras were among the props Seattle police vice detectives used to arrest 104 men who showed up at a ritzy downtown condo in the past two weeks expecting to pay for sex.
Nearly three-fourths of the men who were arrested on suspicion of patronizing a prostitute responded to postings in the "erotic services" category on craigslist, the free online community where people can search for apartments, jobs, used cars, friends and dates. The rest answered escort ads found in the back pages of The Stranger and Seattle Weekly.
"We wanted to prove craigslist was in fact a vehicle for promoting prostitution," said Lt. Eric Sano, commander of the Seattle Police Department's vice unit.
Escorts and the agencies that represent them have long argued that clients pay only for the companionship of a beautiful woman, Sano said, "but for the most part, that's not how it works."
The vice unit launched its elaborate investigation after receiving numerous community complaints about prostitutes advertising on craigslist, Sano said.
To test the theory, undercover detectives arranged for escorts to meet them in a downtown hotel room on Oct. 19, Sano said. Detectives arrested seven women and a 16-year-old girl who made clear they expected payment for their sexual services, he said.
Vice detectives then turned their attention to men who, instead of cruising the streets for prostitutes, respond to online and newspaper ads looking for sex, he said. To make their ads believable, Sano said, female detectives were photographed in flirty poses, phone lines were established and appointments were set up.
Police discovered "a complete subculture" where men call themselves "hobbyists" and refer to the women they pay for sex as "providers," Sano said Wednesday, the last night of the undercover operation.
"They all know each other and have their own terminology," he said. There are even several online "review boards" where men rate their experiences and describe a woman's looks and the sex acts she's willing to perform, Sano said.
Craig Newmark, who founded craigslist in San Francisco in 1995, said he has heard that "prostitution is a significant problem" on the Web site and noted that craigslist has built a "top-notch" reputation for responding to complaints of illegal activity.
As for the local craigslist review board where men discuss the sexual exploits they paid for, Newmark said those who operate the site are improperly using the craigslist name and that legal action is being discussed by the Seattle-based law firm representing his site.
Craigslist, which is now available in some 300 cities worldwide, doesn't monitor what people post.
"We are a democracy ... and we find we can trust our community," he said. "I don't know what the situation is like in Seattle, but we would prefer that [police] go after violent criminals or crooked congressmen."
At one point, the Seattle police operation was exposed on the craigslist review board and "we had to quickly scramble to get new photos and phone numbers," Sano said. As they waited for men to call, "we cruised craigslist ourselves" and arrested 14 more women on suspicion of prostitution, he said.
"Every hobbyist knows the going rate is at least $150 an hour for 'full service' -- which means intercourse and maybe a massage," he said, noting men also "negotiate for extra services," for instance paying an additional $50 to have sex without a condom.
The response was "absolutely wild," Sano said. Even after female detectives upped their price to $200 an hour as part of a Veterans Day special, "we almost had people triple-booked" for appointments, he said.
When a man arrived at the rented condo, he was greeted at the door and ushered inside, Sano said. As other detectives hid in a bedroom watching live footage from hidden cameras, the female detective, posing as "a provider," would engage in a conversation about sex and collect her fee, he said.
Once money had changed hands, Sano said, other officers would then walk out and arrest the man.
All but five of the men were interviewed, cited and released: One man, a registered sex offender, was booked into the King County Jail for violating conditions of his release, three others were booked on drug violations and another on a weapons charge, Sano said.
Arrestees have included "bank presidents, state employees, business owners, construction workers, physicians and surgeons," Sano said.
Though some may argue that prostitution and patronizing a prostitute -- both misdemeanors -- are victimless crimes, Sano doesn't see it that way: "No young girl grows up dreaming of doing this. These prostitutes are women who have had a rough life, whether they're addicted to drugs, or they've been abused or they have some pimp forcing them into it.
"It is easy money ... but these women are being exploited and it's degrading," he said. "You should hear what some of these guys have asked our detectives to do -- it's disgusting."
with a friend of mine and when I asked her what she wanted to do when she got older her response was, "I am going to be a high class call girl. They get to go to so many cool places and live in a cash only world." Well, I don't know what the hell she's doing now, but I took her idea and ran with it! LOL
"Sano" can kiss my ass. I've not been abused nor have I ever been forced into this business. I did not come into this business in order to feel a drug habit. Entering into the sex industry was a personal choice and one that I am still proud to have made. I have met some of the most fascinating and HONEST people in this business.
But wait. did they not target CL girls? and yet, there will still be controversy over whether or not to peruse their services in search of the discount provider. HMM......
I am currently in Kansas City where just last week a number of girls were busted. and YES, they were targeted off of Craig's List.
As for what the guys ask the detectives for? Well, while I do know that some of the clients I've seen have had some experiences with CL, the majority of my clients do not utilize those services. I do not entertain those types of questions in the least - and I am sure that LE used a plethora of entrapment tactics in order to make such a HUGE # of arrests.
Take care and EVERYONE
$tay $afe,
Jazz
That is an interesting and thoughtful reply. You are a fortunate person. I hope you are able to retire while still young and with the means to enjoy your wonderful life even more…
PEACE LOVE AND PROSPERITY,
Sheika Fatima
-- Modified on 11/16/2006 7:50:53 PM
regardless of the age when I retire, I will always enjoy life.......
Namaste,
Jazz
Jazz,
You are one of the few (with a website) who uses the correct amount of discretion. No acronyms, services, etc. You might want to stop directing the guys on what to do with their little envelope, but I appreciate how discreet your site is. I have an appreciation for ladies who understand the need for this degree of discretion when communicating. It demonstrates intelligence.
Just wanted to say that. Hope it comes across as a compliment (as intended).
"Though some may argue that prostitution and patronizing a prostitute -- both misdemeanors -- are victimless crimes, Sano doesn't see it that way: "No young girl grows up dreaming of doing this. These prostitutes are women who have had a rough life, whether they're addicted to drugs, or they've been abused or they have some pimp forcing them into it."
That seems to be complete BS. Every provider I've run into chooses what they do. Most seem to enjoy what they do. It's obvious to anyone with a brain that this a victimless crime.
These hypocrytical idiots are all enthusiastic about the war in Iraq citing "freedom" as their cause; then they deny freedom to American citizens. Freedom is the right for an individual to make their own choices; not for the government to make choices for people. Idiots.....
The Sheika thinks the last two paragraphs imply that LE feels--in most cases--the provider is a victim of unfortunate circumstances...And,
The Sheika enjoyed your statements concerning freedom. You tied together LE, the war in Iraq, and our constitutional freedoms in a very thoughtful and provocative way...
For what it is worth: Over the years, I have often wished and prayed that life would present us all with a more equal array of choices. As a changing community, I think we all should lean in that direction; but, alas, what's a poor working girl to do?
LOVE AND PEACE,
Sheika Fatima
The lion's share of girls who advertise on Craigslist go way too far in terms of being explicit. They lack discretion. The lack of discretion brings about attention. Attention brings about complaints. Complaints bring about enforcement. Right now, I can go on CL in Phoenix and find hundreds of pussy shots, headlines that say "fuck me" and ad copy that says "I'll suck your dick good and hard".
Phoenix is hardly immune.
How right you are. The ads you mentioned are very sleazy. They are very unprofessional. They show a lack of discretion. They are demeaning to us all.
I have often wondered what type of lonely, pathetic soul would be attracted to such stuff. I have often wondered what compels some of the ladies to advertise that way. What type of clientele are they hoping to attract? But, again, the way the market is structured and the relationship between the ladies and "mangement" being what it is makes one understand...
What is a poor working girl to do?
En’sha’allha,
Sheika Fatima
-- Modified on 11/18/2006 3:31:50 PM
I find it strange because I lived in the Seattle area for a number of years. There is an area Seattle that a provider friend of mine said that the cops leave alone. Kind of a "free" zone if you want to call it that. Seattle was a great city for someone in the hobby. You do need to be a little more careful with the cops though. That artical seems a bit blown out of porpotion though. My friend new a lot of girls in the "free" zone and they NEVER had any trouble with the police. Then again, they never used Craig's List. lol
Brad