Hello Everyone,


Over the last several months, I have met some of the ladies on Phoenix411 and here is my experience:


Provider No. 1
Sent her a e-mail. Found out that she travel to SD often. I arranged two days with her. She requested 50% deposit. I sent her 2.5X$$$$$$$$$$. She never showed up. After number of e-mails, she sent only 40% of my deposit.

Provider No. 2

Called her and arranged an overnight in the state where I live. She came and the following day while I was in a meeting she decided to leave early. I asked why, she said wanted to catch the early flight (what happened to the arrangement!!??).

Provider No. 3

Called her and arranged an overnight while I was in Phoenix (the agreement was from 7:00PM to 11:00AM). She came over and we had dinner. Once we went to I took care of the business. After two hour she told me that she has a dentist appointment and has to leave around 7:30AM. I asked what about our arrangement. She told me what we agreed is not enough. She left around 7:30AM.

Provider No. 4

I e-mailed and talked about overnight. We agreed to terms. She came to my state. In the following morning, she told she has to leave because of family matters. I agreed. Few day later found that She stayed and had another appointment (using my money to work more).

Provider No. 5

I e-mailed her and scheduled to meet her at my hotel for one hour. She came over and took care of business. She told me this is not enough. I pointed out the e-mail exchange. She did not say any thing else. Because of it, she was very cold and left about 10 minutes early.

Provide No. 6

E-mailed and made an arrangement to see her. She agreed to the day and asked if I can be flexible. Replied with yes. Three days later, I sent her another e-mail. to find out about our arrangement. She apologized and told me she made another arrangement (because it was more lucrative than mine). I asked and she apologized again and told me it may not work for us (never met her).

All in Phoenix411 and well reviewed. What is the problem, then????


What about the agencies in Phoenix you may ask. Here is my experience:

Called the agency which is well recognized and constantly Is on this board. After checking my references, he sent me one of the ladies. She came over looks very tired. After few minutes, she told me that she not feeling good and her body is very sensitive. She left about 10 o 15 minutes early. She had date with her friend for shopping (Is there any understanding about $$$$ or it does not matter).


More coming about agencies and independent ladies……….


Thank you
Pforce

let me offer some advice.....

Don't arrange an overnight until you feel comfortable with someone for an hour or two....and they feel comfortable with you....this goes both ways.

What a run of luck.....

I would suggest checking the reviews better....you will find that the well reviewed girls are PROS who provide an excptional service for time and companionship....my experience has been just the opposite.....pay for an hour and get 1.25....or 2 or 3.....I've paid for two hours and got overnights.....

Maybe it's just chemistry ...... or you have had a run of bad luck.....but the SP's who are at the top of their game would never treat a client as you report.....

Sorry this happened to you.....I would suggest you write reviews.....and use them to gain some credibility on TER and warn the rest of us about these sub par peformers.

D15
Moderator

I wouldn't consider booking an overnighter unless you have seen the provider before and both of you think that it could be fun....you also need to be upfront on what you expect during your time together so there are no miss conceptions on her part.  Personally I would rather spend that kind of money on multiple hours with a couple of different gals on different nights. If you aren't satisfied....do honest and concise reviews on these providers and then notify everyone of that fact by posting on this board.  Any hobbyist can then check out your reviews and use them to make an informed decision before seeing these providers.

All I can say is that I wish your luck was different. What was done leaving early etc. was just unprofessional and inconsiderate. The only time I will run out a little early on an appointment is if the gent is running out on it himself (time crunch to be back home or be back to the office) or if the gent is just so worn out he is ready to scoot me out of there so he can recupperate for the next day. It happens a lot on late night rendevouz (you sleepy heads)- LOL

Like the folks before I highly suggest you spend a few hours with a lady prior to  scheduling something as intmate as an overnighter. There is a lot of room for error when you are dealing with a someone you don't know. I even reccomend a multi hour session to gents I haven't seen who are insisting on seeing me for an overnighter. I mean who is to say that we will get along in close quarters for 12+ hours? No one knows for sure. It is like taking a car for a test drive- the more money you are going to spend on it the more time you spend making sure it is what you really want. I wish you the best of luck. I truley hope you find what you are looking for.

The others have basically commented as I would, But in addition to reviews, perhaps you should contact Glen of Phoenix 411. He runs a tight ship and certainly any ladies who out right took your $$ he should be notified of. Not returning your deposit is unacceptable (especially if the meeting was not to happen because of something on HER end), as is all the other things you described.

I apologize on behalf of my sisters on Phoenix 411- I would NEVER do any of these things.

I admit to being a relative "newbie" to the hobby, so that my views are perhaps not so well informed as those of many others on this board.  In my, admittedly, limited experience, though, I have found that I have been AT LEAST satisfied with all of the Providers with whom I have had the privilege to spend time.  I had one who left a bit early, once, but she was so amazing that she had already gotten two pops out of my old and mostly worthless body, and I had told her I needed to get up early, so I think she may have believed she was doing me a favor.  (She wasn't, but she was so gorgeous, and her performance was so incredible that I can't find the heart to think badly of her!)  

I've had experiences with Desert Divas and with Club TLC, and I can say, without hesitation, that the girls they have sent to me have been all that I could hope for.  I've never dealt with 411, so I'm not qualified to state an opinion about them.  

I would urge you to consider using one of the agencies I have used.  I feel sure that if your experience was less than satisfactory in any way, they would do everything in their power to make the situation right, as I'm sure that many of the Independents (with whom, sadly, I have had little experience) would do as well.

I'm really sorry that you've had bad luck with Phoenix Providers.  I find that, in general, most people seem to think that Phoenix is the best city in the country to find good Providers, and I hate to see anything happen to tarnish what seems to me to be a well earned reputation.

Fred

whewy! Did you break a mirror or two? Black cat? Born on friday the 13th?

here in Phoenix are outstnading. Obviously you hit a particularly bad run of luck. I've never had a bad session here...and only a few I'd call "Average". At the same time I do feel that a segment of the provider community here has become a bit more mercenary over the last year or so. It's begun to look a bit like the Vegas market where overall consistancy is lacking.

The problem I'm seeing is most "hobbiests" wont step up and call it like it is. Along with the 99% that is good you need to be able to address the 1% that isnt. This "dont say anything thats not nice" crap has no place here and defeats the purpose of the BBS.

Be fair, be honest and be respectful....yes. But call it like it is and dont be scared to let the chips fall as they should. As far as I'm concerned this is a hobbiests board first and formost.

I'd be very suprised if any of the gals are ones that get regular kudos here on the BBS. The sad truth is not all reviews (and reviewers) are created equal. Pick a handful that reflect your own tastes and review to the same standard you do and disregard the rest.

Sorry, but I simply do not believe this guy. 6 appointments that all end up in a similar way??

when the same thing keeps happening, there may be only one common variable in these situations with otherwise-reputable ladies:  YOU.  Find a buddy who is also a hobbyist, and ask him to objectively look at your communication.  You might be sending some unintended messages or communicating poorly.

No reviews! Sounds like he has personal issues.

This is actually a refreshing take on things.
Politeness isn't polite if it's not honest.

On the other hand, YMMV is a very real concept. I too have never had an 'average' experience. But then, I don't really expect too much, so I'm usually pleasantly surprised.

But I'm headed for the salt shaker to find a grain ;^)

of course he looks like Freddy Krueger or acted like Norman Bates.  6 ladies from Phx411 all in some way did fulfill the arrangement?  I'm never one for calling out names but if this story is remotely true, I'd love to hear from one of the ladies to see what scared them off.....Freddy or Norman

Taking this report at face value it would seem to me that a Lady adverting the availably of overnights should stand behind her offer.  Any previous discussed details and arrangements made by both parties should be met in full.  Why would it not be a reasonable expectation she show up and stay the allotted time?  She should also advise the Gentleman of any conflicting previous appointments arranged by her that would infringe on that time so any appropriate adjustments can be made beforehand.  Although it has been stated and probably would be wiser for a Gentleman to restrict scheduling such appointments to someone he previously seen the fact (as reported) still remains she probably advertised and at minium agreed to the session.  If overnights are a contingent offer it would seem prudent to make it clear to avoid any misunderstandings.

Now having said all this I must add I’ve been extremely fortunate in having not only my expectations met but exceeded by those I’ve had the pleasure to have seen and will see again.  So thank you again Anna, Manae, Sarah and of course Terri for your integrity and generosity, were I a richer man I’d be scheduling today and everyday.  The same good luck, I could only hope will continue with those I’ve yet to see.  Phoenix is truly blessed.

mmmmmm. Pforce, Although I have had some poor experiences in Phoenix, my GREAT times with providers here out weigh my disappointments by a huge margin. I am fairly active in this little hobby and have extensive experience with all the major agencies and many of the indies on 411. I am surprised at your string of disappointments. PM me. I would like to communicate off line.

I wanted to keep reading to see if someone else said it first. But you're right, the one thing each of these ladies has in common is this man. Of course, if he's getting women off of Craig's List or Eros, it's possible that that is the problem as well.

I think the number one thing he needs to do is research. After that, he needs to meet these ladies before diving in to book an overnight. It's a long 12 hours if the persononality you're with doesn't jive with your own. From both perspectives. Cleanliness is next to godliness and respect goes a long way for both parties.

All in all, I'm in complete agreement with you though, if the same thing keeps happening over and over again, the problem most likely lies with this gent and he needs to take a look at himself, and perhaps a sniff as well.

Megan

Good question, another one I considered as well. I'm always a little leery when people post stuff and no one knows who they are. Call me paranoid, but I automatically think they're on a fishing expedition using...pork for bait, shall we say?

While I am a newbie on the block I wonder how anyone could have this big of problem. Is it me or is it odd that 3 of the complaints concern ladies that traveled to him out of state for overnights? Based on the limited amount of information it appears that this guy was not a regular of the providers, is it standard practice for a lady to travel for an overnighter to someone who they have never seen?

While I can understand that if even one of the statements are true it would be an area of concern, the whole story seems a little odd.

Actually, it almost sounds like something that happens to providers>>>LOL

Then why hide thses ladies identies?I mean you have every right to vent and let them be known.They were wrong to treat you that way and i promise you there are some good ladies in Phoenix.
 I do find it odd though that a lady would agree to an overnighter out of state with someone she has never met.I love overnighters but only if I have seen them before and I know there is chemistry.

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Yep I agree Never Ever send any $$$$$ up Front there are some fine Ladys here and some not so great read the Reviews learn your aponent first before the games Begin

If you have six different occassions, with six different ladies (seven if we include the non-numbered agency experience)where you have the same thing ahppen each time, it is entirely possible that it's you.

You also repeatedly mention that the ladies indicate that the agreed upon fees are "not enough" now if they were agreed upon, and later many of the ladies say the same about it not being enough, I have to wonder if you somehow mischaracterised exactly what you were wanting,that you perhaps obfuscate your intentions, so that while the lady may technically agree the intent was so confused and obscured as to the point that she may have thought she were agreeing to something other than you were wanting. Which could also then account for why all the ladies you see, or attempt to see, want to leave early, or not see you at all.

Perhaps you need to be clearer in your correspondance with the ladies, without being blatant or vulgar, and take a look at how you are in their company that all seem to not want to be with you the entire appointed time, if at all...just a thought.

I'm sorry, as I read through this it can only be one of two things - either total BS - or personal issues that chases the ladies away!

No credibility at all - post honest reviews on what happened and let the providers stand up for themselves - otherwise, just someone stirring the pot!

Even if pforce® is a ghost it sure got all of us on the same page and brought out an intelligent and productive discussion by both Ladies and Gents.  
Isn't it GREAT!

Phoenix 411 is my sole source with links to TER. Absolutely impeccable!  I have had more than 100 play dates from there, both indies and agencies. Only one was a disappointment(later moved to LA) and one was inconsistent (good first appoinment, second marginal.) One outstanding overnighter sending only plane fare, but with extensive research and email flirting.  So, in my book that's 98% success. Even had an invitation from one lady to do an overnighter, my place or hers.  So this thread is spot on.  Do your homework, have set criteria, check your chemistry with a first few meetings, then do an overnight if it all works. Phoenix ladies are the best in the USA! We are so fortunate, they are so increcible, so many wonderful ladies, so little time.

I agree in the sense that I'd be hard pressed to find 1 gal on 411 let alone 6 that would act as described. However, I've had more then a dozen comments from guys who feel like they cant post anything negative under their own "handle". It might be a troll.....it might be a post by a troll....without any reviews or other info on the poster you dont really know.

have caused some members I know of to avoid posting on certain topics, just to avoid the reaction or conflict.  Apparently peer pressure is an equal-opportunity oppressor of opinions.

His post would be a negative post if he had named the 6 ladies (hate the word providers) from Phx411.  The reality is that his post lacks deductively reasonable sense that all 6 encounters had similar outcomes....literally.  I find no sense in his post and a complete lack of rationality that if after having bad results twice in a row from ladies of Phx411, why bother pursuing 5 more encounters from the same site?  So, I answered his silly post with a silly reply.   There is no fine line on the original thread.

I'm not saying that he is lying or anything. I believe him. But C'Mon, how do you get six occurances of the same outcome? Hmmm... makes one wonder.

The advice I would offer is to ask his regular provider for some honest feedback. I've often asked the question of ladies who've asked for references, what could one of my references have said that would have made them not see me. The three most common answers are:

1) Personal hygiene.
2) Too rough play or treats a provider poorly.
3) Skips out or insufficient donation in the envelope.

This is not a personal attack on the poster, but if it were me, I'd want to know the truth.

to his post that he started about our Phx providers he was so unhappy about......
something is wrong here and it's 100% not our Phx providers....

"pforce" Police force?   More to follow on Phx area providers?  Interesting

but the initial replies walk a nuetral line on the issue of credibility. This is where a post on a single necouinter with the specifics included would go along way. As it stands its simply a reminder of YMMV at best.