This is by no means a vent or a whine. I have (and probably will continue) to throw my share of rocks from the shelter of my glass house and have no problem with a few (or alot) coming back my way.

However, I am amazed at just how often I see threads (not just ones I'm invlolved in) that get twisted to a third parties purpose.

Now I probably could have titled this "scratching my head" instead....

I'm referring to bdl2's recent "when are you on the clock?" thread....

Basically the guy had two questions....

"I'm relatively new to this and realize that time is money;however I feel especially on a first meeting that 10-15 min's of getting to know you is better than jumping someone when they walk in the door?"....

"I see all these reveiws with second cups and I'm in pretty good shape but unless all these guys are in their 20's I have difficulty beleiving that 20 mins of sex plus a 10 min rest and then another 20 min's is really the norm, I guess that's kind of two questions -kind of a second cup "

Both good solid questions from a relatively new member of the community....

{snips of my relpy}

"As a general rule your entitled to what you paid for....nothing more or less"

"From personal experience Isablella, Rebecca, Jordan Kay, Emily, Sabrina and MJ have always been generous with their time and attention. Not only sexually but genuinely as people. I've never seen Mya but have always had the impression that she does as well."

"As a final note I know that Megan has a good reputation as a non clockwatcher as well. I didnt put her in the group above for two reasons...one I haven't seen her and secondly since I've heard comments both ways on the MSOG aspect of the original question..."

To me this is a pretty straight forward response thats not only helpful but accurate. I honestly cant fathom why Megan would have an issue with what is a positive recommendation or that she (or any other provider) would bring up topics that have no benifit to the provider side of the community at all.

I treat every appt the same. No matter if it's 1 hour or 4 hours.. Exactly as I explain it on the home page of my site I usually never look at the clock, sometimes 1 hour turns into 2 hours... Thats the benefit of being an independent...

Then of course there is always a client thats nasty or rude & trys to test you (1 out of 5) for me  I try to do my best to work with them and if all else fails I leave in an hour.  I think we (Phoenix providers)
are all great & successful. This community is awesome (when we all get along!) Lol : )

Phoenix ROcks!!!!

Additional comments about someone should be reserved for reviews or private PMs.  

Hugs,
Ciara

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Just because one CAN say something doesn't mean you always SHOULD.  We have more than one person here who loves the sound of their own voice way too much.

with anyone who takes exception to a specific comment (mine or anyone elses) and chooses to unload. My question is why? Now the fact that you choose to respond here is probably specifically tied to your relationship with someone I'll choose not to identify.....so are you upset with what I said....or who I said it about?

However your point is valid and like many I often go a bit farther then common sense would dictate is prudent. In some cases like the one with northdak I've acknowledged that "going nuclear" was innappropriate.

Your initial point (about people not "stealing" threads for their own topic) is an excellent one, as well, and makes reading a whole lot easier.

but it doesnt really work that way.....or should it. I have no idea what triggered Megans diatrab....or why you decided to "pile on". So my public response simply addressed your public comments. Now had Megan slammed me for inaccurate 411 I'd have simply apogized for the goof and moved on...

independents on phoenix411. If we add agency and visiting gals your up to 97 total as of 1/24/06. Thats an awful lot of options to consider. If we just looked at indies....assuming a guy "hobbied" once a week and averaged $300 a session he'd need roughly a year and $15,000.00 to run thru the lineup once.

I'd bet the average hobbiest is alot closer to once a month or twice a quarter and probably spends a bit more per session.....so $4,000-$6,000 a year for 10 to 15 sessions. I'd sure want whatever help I could get to make quality choices.

I went ahead and linked my review of Sabrina here. If any of you are interested go ahead and read it and tell me it doesnt sync up 100% to the guys "request"...

we do. But honestly most of the time I am being both accurate and constructive. The problem is in the nature of the medium...it's a review board. Many seem to feel that means you need to "say something nice or say nothing at all". Thats exactly the opposite of the board founders intention. The purpose is to share an honest evaluation of an individuals performance and attributes. In effect as the MSNBC article linked above says that dehumanizes the provider into a "product".

I've never written a bad review out of spite or ground an ax with someone.I've never hid behind an alias (I've used one twice but openly identified myself both times later). What I see here is more and more people unwilling to be forthright about there thoughts and experiences. In fact more than one BBS contibuter has made it clear that they feel a bad review or comment will get them blackballed. Why do you think so much of the real 411 has gone back underground....

I was saying that to "everyone." Now, come here and let me give you a tongue-lashing. Wink!

Hugs,
Ciara

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then be prepared for the bronco-busting event. Wink!

Hugs,
Ciara

for hacker--move on!  Ciara and Meghan are right.  Keep this board classy.

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at keystonekids response....however dont confuse being classy with being either condesending or twofaced. Straightforward open articulation of your thoughts is actually the cornerstone to "classiness".

I was merely commenting on how you said to Keystone, "classy" or "kissassy?" I don't think Keystone was kissing ass to us, just commenting on the subject, but I guess that's his choice.

My statement was meant to be taken, "nice to everyone." It was supposed to have been conveyed that way. I'm sorry if you misunderstood that. And, that is why I responded that you were being way too sensitive, because it wasn't directed just at you, hon. I'm not defending Megan, Keystone or anyone other than telling everyone that certain things don't need to be said on the board if you're in a quarrel with someone. Other than that, post away, but let us do the same.

Hugs,
Ciara

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I think ciara was merely trying to get everyone to get along. That was her point, but now you are just being rude to her. I apologize to you for the idiots on this board, ciara.

open articulation is the the cornerstone to classiness?  I hear a lot of open articulation in rap music but I always thought it was the "bling" that made it classy (or the spinning rims and booty in the camera) and not the "open articulation". Shuck, I've had it all wrong!

if you've got something (good or bad) to contribute just fire away. But again all I see is a comment that clearly indicates a total lack of higher brain function. I havent been rude here or in the thread that triggered this post. I simply articulated my thoughts with regard to the subject. I'd be happy to respond to any comment you care to make. All I see is another kiss ass post....

Ciara's only "point" is to get her link up as often as she can. Which I actually have no problem with at all. At the same time the real purpose of this board is to provide YOU with the information you need to make a qualified purchasing decision. So if you dont defend a persons right to comment honestly about things you'll lose access to that information. All I did was voice a valid and accurate piece of information for another BBS poster. The fact that people like you continue to allow and encourage a form of censorship is actually the true stupidity here.

BTW....you forgot your sign.....idiot.

Hey Hacker, I don't know you, but first you go all after Sarah the other day (she is a real sweetheart), then Megan (who I've not met, but seems logical,intelligent and articulate), and now Ciara (who was just trying to be nice to you and everyone else).  If you have a problem you should take it somewhere else, as your attitude is definitely grating - like fingernails on a chalboard, and the discussion board is about the hobby, not spewing venom.  

I've never written a bad post or a negative word on TER, but you should consider how you are coming across.

Ed01.  

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And what did Ciara ever do to you? I emailed her and she said she has never met you. Don't slam her for saying something nice. She has just as much right as you do to post here. Get over it, dude!

1st, I'm not slamming Ciara or anyone else. 2nd I respond to anything articulate on something like this. If you look at the original thread all I did was positively reccomend someone as a non clockwatcher but make it clear that I didnt believe he should expect "multiple pops"...the provider in question launchad a rant back and ciara posted agreeing with her completely. As you stated we've never met so how does she have an idea one way or another. I didnt slam her for saying something nice....I slammed her for saying something stupid......

and your statement IS COMPLETELY incorrect on all counts.

I didnt slam "Sarah" at all, I simply commented on a post about her listing on 411. I'd have linked her to her "real" Identity since she has a 3 year track record and used her old URL anyway.

I made a positive reccomendation on Megan as a non clockwatcher but also made it clear not to expect multiple pops automatically.

Ciara jumped in supporting Megans diatrab so I called her on it.

I think you and many others here are forgetting that this is a business and you are a consumer. Continually allowing honest evaluation of the "product" to be censored isnt in your best interest. On almost any other board in the country nobody would put up with the garbage that goes on here. Which is why the Phoenix providers routinely get smacked down hard elsewhere for their attitude.

My head hurts.

I think that sometimes we all just have too much free time on our hands.

Let's take Rodney's advise - perhaps?

Just a suggestion.

I've stayed silent thus far, but I'll speak up now. I didn't launch a rant, I asked what MSOG was and then others piped up with the obvious..."If you haven't seen her, you have no business speaking about her appointments" point. Which is quite true, since you're now the "honesty in reviews" police.

Hacker, you just don't get it. It's amusing to me how often you fly the coop and freak out when people are trying to be perfectly reasonable with you. You are so combative and you fight even with the people who are on your side. You are a perfect example of the type of person who needs a hobby. A real one. You spend so much time here on this board, in a place where in general, I'll go ahead and say you aren't well-received or perceived and it's making you miserable. But lashing out at people who aren't against you only perpetuates the problem.

Now, take a step back, get off the boards for a couple of days and find something constructive to do with your time to cheer up. You are truly one of the most miserable people who post on this board. It's so evident that you are unhappy and it really is painful watching you implode like you are.

Just so we're clear, this isn't a rant. Nor was my post a week ago to you a rant. In the first thread, I was merely asking a question and pointing out why you're a dick to me. In this thread, you who screams foul about people dragging threads on, did just that and created a whole new thread to revisit a barely two day old thread on the same topic. So we're clear, this post to you is merely a suggestion to get away from a hobby you clearly have no fun at. But as a provider you have approached and demanded special rates from, let me explain to you that your approach in emails, as on this board, is not charming, intelligent or respectful. It's angry, unstable and disrespectful.

My father used to say, "There are people who walk in a room and say, 'There you are!' and there are others who walk into a room and yell, 'HERE I AM!'"  

Seriously, Hacker, please take a break. For your sanity and for the board’s sake. You are volatile and you are imploding before our very eyes. It’s scary and it’s heartbreaking. For you, I wish peace and serenity and I do hope at some point, you find what makes you truly happy. I really don’t think this place is it, though.

With respect,

Megan

You're not even making sense. First, I don't blame Megan for countering your digs but you can't even recognize your own negative comments as "digs." That's scarey! As for Ciara, she wasn't responding to Megan's comments but to your post in general. She even placed a smiley face in front of her post and then responded to another rude reply by you, flirtateously toward you (which I would never have done if I were a provider being bashed). So what in the heck are you talking about? I think basically everyone agrees with Megan, and Ciara was responding to everyone under the general post (at first) basically saying the "why can't we all get along-type thing". Geesh, buddy, you're way off base and starting to make things up about people that aren't even there. You need help! I think you are the rudest person on this board, and yet you perceive yourself as human. You say you are honest think before you post, but its evident that you do not think at all. Your hositility is coming through left and right and no one really cares at this point, other than trying to point that out to you. Your bashing of other people in this post, especially the providers, only make you less desirable in their eyes and certainly hidious in our's.  Good luck to you, and Megan was right: Get a hobby elsewhere. You need it.

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