I have been reading the boards lately and I am trying to get a fix on your views regarding hobbiest.  You made a comment about smokers, responded about fat/ugly guys and guys with ED.  I have checked your Ad at Phoenix411 and you specifically state no one under 30 and no couples.  It may be helpful to the hobbiest if you or any other provider also include your views on smokers, fat guys and guys with ED in your Ads.  This way we can both be sure we dont end up in an awkward situation.

And a personal note, I understand your being honest but I remember back to our meeting and how upset you where with a hobbiest who posted something about you.  It pissed you off so much you stopped our session (Not during the get to know you phase but during the "Fun" time) so you could vent.  I happen to be a fat guy.  Its nice to find out in the discussion boards that during our session you were just going through the motions.  Maybe I should have told you I was fat before I scheduled time with you. Maybe I should have told you I am not the best looking guy around.  Maybe when I arrived and while we
were getting to know one another you could have told me your views on fat/ugly guys.  This way we could both have made better informed decisions. Believe it are not, I would have appreciated your honesty.  At my age, I am comfortable in my skin and people can either love me or hate me but when the day is done none of that really matters because I like who I am. (After reading that line I sound like Stewart Smally from SNL).  Regardless, its your time and body and you have every right to decide for how long and with whom you spend your time.  And by the same token, its my money and I can decide whom I choose to spend it on.  Having known your true feelings I would have left wiser and in more than one way richer.

Reear VictoriaOfAZ

Dear Seclover, I did not find you to be fat in fact you were nice looking guy I do not mean guys that are a little overweight you told me your size prior to our meeting also remember? and I also checked your references and they were very positive. I am sorry if you thought I did not enjoy the time we spent together because I did.The review you wrote was also very nice thank you for taking the time to do that for me. As for smokers I only asked if they could please use mints or mouthwash and wash their Hands.The gentleman who wrote about weight was 300lbs I just stated it would be nice to let someone know so that they did not just go thru the motions. ED is a sentive issue I  asked for information prior so that I could be better prepared to make sure he felt okay. I have seen men in wheelchairs and with missing limbs, I saw a man with MS on cruches that had to wear a diaper with all these men I really went out of my way to make sure they had a nice encounter.I do have compassion for these guys.You should like who you are at the end of the day because you are a nice person I am sorry if you thought I was going thru the motions that's the last thing I would want you to feel.....Victoria

at this from a provider's perspective, they post their picture and as you window shop, you have the advantage of eyeing the candy.  When I purchase something, I make an informed decision not an emotional one. In other words, I want all the facts, benefits, and features.  Now in this case, you are purchasing time and companionship and probably want to stick to the fact type of questions so you can draw your own conclusions regarding features etc. To make the most of that time, it would serve you as the hobbyist and the provider well to ask if they don't mind seeing someone who has ED, in a wheel chair, missing limbs, has MS and wears diapers, smokes or is heavy. I'm not Vickie's spokesperson as she does a good job of her own, but I think it just better helps prepare the provider in what to expect so that your expectations can be met.  As for the "fat" comment, Vickie is a petite lady.  I don't think it is a thing where she refuses to see "fat" and "ugly", but I think she just can not handle 300lb + guys.  Keep in mind that some providers smoke, and those that advertise as GFE, 99% of the time DFK. I personally did not visit ladies who smoked, at least I tried not and if they did I could not detect it meaning they had fresh breath etc.

There are some ladies, like Sarah who mentioned on a thread below, that welcome gents who have challenges. As a hobbyist, you need to be asking the right questions besides what are your measurements, what are your rates, do you have incall, and what time are you available.

There are so many that are classy and nice and understand the situation of the clients. All I can say is put her out of your list and do not read her posts as well. I will do the same!

a provider in this biz doing a service and if she will not do certain things it should spelled out....such as not seeing heavy people, or of color or "smokers".

That's what I said in the post below, why not just have a check list of things a hobbyist could fill out about himself rather that go through the motions of embarrassing questions.

Dam how technical are we getting now!
I smoke and if I am judged for that then so be it, it certainly wouldn't hurt my feelings! Just makes me want to have another one!

it is a biz and there is nothing wrong with being selective....most hobbyist, such as myself at one point, was certainly selective about who I saw...prefered blondes, larger breasted, good shape, and non smokers.  

Are providers selective? I'm sure to a degree yes but that is not the issue in this case.  The issue is that I think it would be more embarassing to show up to meet a provioder wearing a diaper if she wasn't expecting it.  

I remember a thread a while back about a guy who refuses to bathe and smells horribly.  Is it technical to ask him to take a shower before beginning a session? Or is it more embarrassing for you as the provider to ask him to take a bath before you begin the session with him....come on, this is a biz right?  
I did forget to mention that there are a precentage of providers ( I am guessing very small percentage) that are desparate and will see anyone regardless. Maybe the guy who refuses to bathe can dial you up Terri....come on now, its a biz and you are doing a service.

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=43375&boardID=5&page=1

Yes, this is a business. These beautiful ladies are providing a service for a fee. That does not give anyone the right to think that they can do or act anyway they please, because they are paying for a service. These ladies are humans with real emotions and feelings. If you booked an airline reservation, do you not inform them of your handicap? Sure you do, because you might need help getting on and off the plane, or a couple of pillows for back pain, or barf bag, etc. If you are honest with a provider, and she agrees to see you, it will be a better experience for both of you. If she chooses not to see you, move on, there are plenty of ladies here. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the more honest you are, the better! I myself am very picky and do extensive research before I make an appointment, after the donation is given, it becomes a "date" and I make sure that I prepare myself for just that. For example, I do not like tattoos or breast enhancements, but I decided to see a certain provider anyways, and I am glad I did. Have we as a nation lost respect for mankind because of the almighty dollar? If so, that is a sad story

May I not so humbly suggest:

1) ladies, if you have an issue with rotund guys, then while you are doing reference checks - ask the referencing provider for the guys body type. If you wish to include that tidbit in all of your advertising, then so be it. If the reference check is ambigious, then ask the potential client. Do not rely on guys to tell you anything other than what you ask for!

2) Having ED does not prevent getting off. Different organs involved. Having ED does impair a guys ability (well, duh!) to maintain an erection. That erection aids in certain, well, consumation techniques. If the guy is havinng difficulty maintaining that erection - it does not mean he has ED. It could mean, well, he isn't excited by you or he is just flat out tired. I hate to say this, but ladies deal with it.

3) Guyss, be reasaonable. If you're having an off night (or have ED) - don't expect the provider to extend the time just for you. She has done (hopefully) all she can do and has met her obligations. Ask for other activities and be man enough to call it quits when it is quitting time.

What does this all boil down to? Mutual respect. Respect for the guys (possibly already fragile) libido and respect for the ladies time.


seclover - I'm hanging this off of your thread; but in reality none of this is targeted towards you (or Victoria or anybody else for that matter). This is just a rant from the 1/2 Mast Fat guy.

In my far too limited dealings with her, I've found her to be a straight-forward, candid to the point of self-incriminating person. I believe she wrote a sincere post. For both your sake and hers, I hope you believe her.

thanks MJ for your post ...I should of posted sooner but have been busy just to let you know that Seclover and I have already taken care of this misunderstanding and we both are looking forward to our next date.I am the type of person that believes in getting to the root of the problem and comunication is always the key to unlocking the door. Victoria

Great responses from providers:

I'm 5' 6" and she was advising she was 5' 9" (6' in heels).  Her reply was "It doesn't matter when we're laying down."

Another 20 yr. old.  I'm 68.  Her reply was "I prefer older guys because they know what they're doing."

Final giggle from a wonderful lady to a one cup kind of guy.  Me "did you bring a toy to make you happy?" Her response "Who needs a toy when I have the real thing."

All neat ladies, sharp, beautiful, and not the least concerned about my physical limitations.