First of all to the ladies and hobbyists who responded so favorably to my previously post on the commoditization of these wonderful ladies, much thanks and I hope that the post raised some awareness of an important subject.
After that post, I have looked at a few other posts that are trying to look at this issue from different perspectives. With this in mind, I have spent some time thinking about what is really the HEART of the matter that we are all discussing. I am not an expect, nor do I play one on the TV or radio, but here are my thoughts...
Providers: Ladies, you are extraordinary bunch in a most difficult and demanding business. The pressure to look and perform at your best is as high as any professional athlete and the risk/reward ratio is often not favorable enough for all you do. For what you offer us and in the manner accustomed, I for one, offer my most sincere gratitude and appreciation. The bottom line is that you all offer us the opportunity spend time with a woman or two who would normally be far out of our league and the chance to fulfill a fantasy that otherwise would exist only in one's imagination. As a man and a fairly average one at that, this is something truly amazing and to have that opportunity met with enthusiasm, passion and a great attitude is beyond measure. Ladies, you are all treasures to be adored!
Hobbyists: Gentlemen, like it or not, we all know that there are risks in this endeavor and one of the most frustrating is to be ripped off. I have been ripped off in the past and my anger was something I am not proud of. I have also been greeted in the past by a provider who looked nothing like her photo and whose performance left something to be desired. Do I blame the provider(s) for this? Absolutely not! We know the score when we choose to engage in this hobby. There is always a chance that we won't receive what we desire and that is where TER has proven to be helpful. However, I merely ask that you look at it from THEIR point of view. I have worked with one provider in a financial advisory capacity and until you realize just how many appointments these ladies have to make in order to earn even a decent listing is surprising once you do the math. Also do not think that all of the cost is mere profit. The personal grooming requirements of hair, nails, waxing, etc far exceeds anything we men are used to. Did I forget to mention the sexy dresses and lingerie we are all fond of? How about the toys? The lotions? The scented oils and candles? All of the factors the providers do to make their time with us better is a huge expense, so please don't begrudge them for it. Embrace it and THEM with understanding.
The philosophy in a 5-star restaurant is that if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it. Look at these ladies the same way. To most of us, especially me, they are an opportunity to touch the normally out of reach. We all know the day to day realities of life, so lets not spoil the fantasy.
Sorry for the rambling, but if you really take the time to analyze and understand just what these women go through on behalf of our pleasure, I believe that we would be more appreciative which should result in a much better time for all parties concerned!
"The personal grooming requirements of hair, nails, waxing, etc far exceeds anything we men are used to. Did I forget to mention the sexy dresses and lingerie we are all fond of? How about the toys? The lotions? The scented oils and candles? All of the factors the providers do to make their time with us better is a huge expense, so please don't begrudge them for it."
Seems to me your assuming were all ugly and the women we marry or date have no grooming plus all the providers are beyond our reach. WHAT an INSULT.
"if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it" I ASK the price and what i can afford is my business. Your either the biggest ass kisser on any board ive been on or your a escort. YOU HAVE INSULTED the majority of the hobbiest community. I could disect your post but will not comment further,
a little "thick". Any of us who have been around for awhile, provider and hobbyist alike, know what the score is. Yes, some providers go to great lengths to maintain and enhance their appearance and then there are others who do not. The same reality exists outside of the hobby. I might add that the same applies to us guys. So, what is your point in all of this?
Actually, many of these women make a better living than you think. Better than many of the hobbyists on this board I bet. And, if they do things right, they can expense all the things you listed and have a nice little nest egg when they are finished. I hire girls who are in the business for two reasons, one, because they enjoy it and two, because they want a better life. I've helped girls buy cars, homes, pay for college, get out of debit, get out of abusive relationships, etc. 9 times out of 10 they enjoy the time spent with a client and if they don't, they don't have to see him again. Plus, where else are they going to make that kind of money in one hour? This business empowers the strong girls. If they don't like it, they shouldn't be doing it. As I tell everyone I hire, this business isn't for everyone and if it's not you, DON'T DO IT! Don't feel sorry for them, know that most are creating a better life for themselves and embrace the fact that you are helping them do it!
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Very well said Taylor...I certainly agree and believe in the capitalist system. I don't begrudge anyone (especially smart pretty women) from getting everything they can from life. The original post to start this thread is pure garbage...it demeans both the women and hobbiest's involved. I actually wrote out a response and deleted it (to much of a flame ...even for me
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Taylor I think you put things in a more proper perspective. As a general rule the top level talent we have here is smart resourceful and self empowering....treat them with respect since they've earned it...but treat yourself (hobbiest) with respect also. It's a balance, BTW I never order wine without discussing options (AND PRICE) with the sommelier...you'd be amazed how often I get a knowing smile when I bypass a "big name" $300 bottle for a better $100 one. It's the wine in the bottle....not the price on the cork that counts...that is not ment to imply that you don't get what you pay for as a general rule...simply that an educated buyer gets more satisfaction from the money he/she does spend.
Commodity
1. Something useful that can be turned to commercial or other advantage: “Left-handed, power-hitting third basemen are a rare commodity in the big leagues” (Steve Guiremand).
2. An article of trade or commerce, especially an agricultural or mining product that can be processed and resold.
3. Advantage; benefit.
4. Obsolete.| A quantity of goods.
Considering that time and services are rendered, and funds exchanged for said time and services; that would make the time and services provided a Commodity.
Providers also range widely in appearance and quality of services and time provided. Some providers look like they just walked off the cover of a magazine while others look like the old lady in the Wendy’s ‘where’s the beef commercials’. Likewise some providers provide time and services that make you feel like your in heaven, while others make you say to yourself ‘well that was a quick $500 gone’.
Most of us hobbyists also do not seek these women out because they are unobtainable. Many of us are successful in our carriers, have families, are physically fit, and easily able to attract the opposite sex. We are far from being lonely trolls who can’t get a date. The reality is that many of us are tenacious and driven to succeed. The rate of compensation for an hour of quality company usually exceeds a days wages for the ‘average Joe’; so if this is actually a true hobby for you, you have to be better off then the ‘average Joe’. With success you feel that you should likewise be able to partake in the finer things in life; after all you earned it right.
It is also natural for a man to want the company of women; it’s simply a natural drive. It’s the same drive that gives us our success in life. In the rest of the world this is an accepted fact of life. In Europe for example the practice of successful men keeping a mistress or a few mistresses is an accepted and common practice. Many times the wife is even friends with the mistress. Most of the men who keep mistresses likewise are happily married, and the mistress has no delusion that he will leave his wife for her. Thought much of the world it has been an accepted practice for men to have multiple wives, concubines, or courtesans; each understanding their relationship and not expecting exclusivity.
In this county however maintaining a mistress is not a condoned practice. Most of the time the mistress expects the man to leave his wife. Here, there is an expectation that if you keep a mistress; not all is well at home.
This is exactly why we seek out the services of these ladies. These ladies have no aspirations of becoming the next ‘Miss Right’. They know that we are both in each others company to enjoy the moment.
In my own case I am 36, fit, and well off. I am married to a beautiful woman of 26 and have three children and a forth on the way. I have no complaints about my marriage or my sex life with my wife. However I do want the company of a mistress without the associated baggage. I could easily go out find an affair, but then I would be stuck with all the unwanted crap that comes with it.
Maybe I am not a ‘fairly average’ man. However I suspect that most of my fellow hobbyists are not as well.
I also have been ripped off, as many of us have. I likewise consider a provider who looks nothing like her photo to be a rip off. Do I blame the provider for this? Yes. If I ordered a filet minion at a restaurant and was brought a hamburger or even a New York steak instead, I would send it back. I likewise would be even more upset if I was given a bill for my steak but only given bread or nothing at all.
True, The philosophy in a 5-star restaurant is that if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it. However the restaurant is rated as being a 5-star. You have a very good idea of what to expect because of the rating. Likewise there are 4-star restaurants, 3-star restaurants, etc.
I think the chef at St. Regis Hotel in New York would be more than insulted at the idea that his work should not be dissected, criticized and ranked. There are only 17 5-star restaurants in New York. And for good reason, not all restaurants are equal. And neither are all providers. To say that all providers who are not rip off artists are equally good is like saying that the St. Regis is just as good as Mc Donald’s because they both deliver services as promised.
If I was a top notch provider who spent all the time and effort of keeping myself fit, and drop dead gorgeous. As well as providing services that rivaled the experience of walking through the gates of heaven. I would be insulted at the idea of not being recognized for my exemplary efforts, and being lumped with the masses that may not go to that Herculean diligence.
Granted, a top 10 list of providers would just be plain silly. Ones personal taste is too subjective. However a general ranking isn’t bad, similar to the star system used in hotels and restaurants. A system that discerns quality while allowing the client his own subjective tastes. And that is what this board accomplishes. Each client who posts a review or a message here acts in essence like a food critic. Each with his own tastes and preferences. There are even bad food critics and bad reviewers. But they allow us to have a general idea of who provides quality services and to make our own mind with an educated perspective while keeping our personal tastes. Your favorite provider may not be my type. The type of provider I prefer is not everyone’s cup of tea. I myself have been looking for over a year for a provider similar to my tastes to be able to make a frequent indulgence.
Actually the longer I have been in this hobby the more I view the core women as just recreational friends. No real reason to idolize or objectify. Enjoy the qualities you enjoy. Treat with respect, have a tallented tongue, and above all have fun.
It’s predominantly a visceral hobby, get down, get sweaty, play nice, smell good, taste great, and above all don’t over think it. It’s more fun to feel it.
And remember when your DATY it's low carb.
Although I'm not sure if all the daily recomended nutrients are involved according to the FDA, I know that the PNC's (Pooners Nutritional Councel) daily recomended diet includes healthy amounts.
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