Due to the recent and past stories on a bust involving an asian massage palor using forced labor....I ask the membership and lurkers of TER to pledge to not use asisn massage palors in the future.  I know some of you will say you are friendly with the mammasan or one of the girls and it isnt true at this particular place, but lets face it....its not in their best interest to tell you any different.

One of the reasons they always have new girls is to keep the girls from becoming familar with their surroundings or a client and thus feel more secure in sneaking away.

So post below.....to join the pledge.

I've never been to an AMP...really don't have much interest in them.  But have seen plenty of news stories regarding these establishments and the forced labor issue.  That's one of the reasons why I stay away!

I saw the report in the news and was disgusted. Human trafficking is not only illegal, it is immoral and should not be acceptable to anyone who considers him or herself to be a respecter of human rights.

I agree with Ziggs.  I never had any interest in AMP's anyway.

I pledge not to read any more of Steakwith's moronic posts!  








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language, funds, culture and awareness of where they are.... for the most part- the girls in them are sweet (or were when first there).  they have little and what little they have they send home to a family... that sold them into slavery or worse did not care what happened to them.

I too - use to think that this was an opportunity for these young gals.... but too often you find that they are treated as disposable.... pledge... sure... not a problem.

I am horrified by the thought of any sex that is not the result of the free choice of adults and by the thought of any forced labor.  Since I have never visited an AMP and have no plans to visit one, I can take the pledge, but it is meaningless.  I do applaud your sensitivities and thank you for your efforts.

You don't trust the same news media that claim that all providers came from broken families, uneducated, on drug, and were abused as a child.  Most AMP girls work willingly and came here to make money doing what they were already doing in their home countries.  

I have no interest in AMPs but it is my preference and has nothing to do with believing they were forced sex slave.

A couple years ago after DaHill was busted, there was a long thread in another board on Korean AMPs which I copy and paste the story from an insider below:

Their visas to USA are not phony; brokers get them from US consul office in
Korea for a bribe. Yes, we Americans sell them the visas. They are usually 10 year visitor visas, requiring an annual trip back to Korea. The girls pay $10,000 to $15,000 for this visa, which they work off.

They make $10,000 (low) to $15,000 to $20,000 per month; they work about 10 months per year. They pay no federal, state or local income taxes.

They choose how to work it off; they can sign on to the curcuit which moves
them around from Amp to Amp, or they can work freelance on the street (often Wall Street) or they work for escort agencies, a few are Korean but most American, Spanish, etc.

The most attractive women work for the escort agencies. They work at night
and have the day to themselves unlike Amp work which sometimes is 16 to 24 hours.

In Amps, they keep the tip money, only paying expenses.

They save, spend or send money home, depending on their own personalty.

They usually payoff the amount owed quickly. If they sign-up for the moving
tour, they may be asked to give their passport (visa) to the agensts for the length of the tour they agreed to, like a baseball contract.
If they freelance, they hold onto their visa.

They use Korean banks to wire money home, they don't need SS#s in Korean banks. They can set up savings accounts in Korean banks.

They do spend a lot on breaks for food, clothing, designer purses, drink, kariokee, some gamble it away. Some save it.

Most end up staying in the USA by marriage, some work out, some don't.

More work out than you think. Pay a visit to the K-stores grocers in Cheltanham Avenue or go to Korean churches on Sunday and you will see the Kgirls with their American husbands and their children.

Some were hardened when they came here by doing the same work for 10 years in Korea. They get even harder.

The young ones newer to the trade tend to do better here, but not all. They usually had some problems in their Korean childhood with absent, drunken father, non-caring mother, hooker mothers, want of attention, money problems and they choose to attempt to earn huge amounts of money with only a high school education. They tend to be bright but don't want to study or didn't have the funds. Some just want easy money. korea is home of millions of prostitues, it is sort of accepted there.

Yes, their apartments (escorts), cell phones, etc cost more because they do
not have have SS# and established credit. And they are usually "rescued" by Korean cell phone agents via high prices. They don't feel comfortable on
public transit so they use Korean Taxis (gang taxi owned) for transportation.

Korean taxi service is some of the best, most cordial, timely, clean cars and
well dressed drivers I have ever been in. Really a great way to be transported and reasonable as far as taxi service is concerned.

The gang, mob, etc. gets a cut from the Amps, they help supply the girls,
arrange for them to come here, etc.

Most K-girls do not come via Mexico or Cansda, they fly in on Korean Air or Asiana from Korea to JFK and start in Flushing, New York, the spawning waters of Kgirls in America.

Go too JFK and stroll around the Korean Air turminal and you will spot the well
dressed Kgirls in very tight clothing coming to USA or going home alone, they are very spotable.

The worst users of the Kgirls are the Amp owners or managers in my opinion.
They get the biggest cut of the $50 house money. Next are the Korean agents who obtain the 10 year visas and the American consul workers who
sell valid visas for money. We are somewhre in there too, but they like us best between the mamasans and the Kgang/mafia.

Steakwith pledge is like having Charles Manson as the national spokes person for Save the seals.


Right cause wrong guy!!!

GIVE ME A FUCKIN BREAK

Seals are cute.

Seals are cute, but that picture was a shocker when I first looked at it.  I am having trouble falling asleep because of it.  (I really love animals.)

Please tell me that it's photoshopped.

So were talking about women being forced into prostitution and you are worried about what happened to the seal. You are probably voting for Obama too.

Actually, Charlie Manson would be a good spokesperson for Save the Seals.  He loves animals.  It's people he has trouble with.

Seems we have pundits on both sides of the street here
between the so called hobbyists with few reviews that tout a unheard of new provider or a well known reviewer that does the same in lieu of a discount or a freebie or friends or members of traveling crews...

Where is Tim Russert when we really need an unbiased voice ! RIP Tim.

Somebody has to sift through the BS....eom

You could google the topic yourself and learn the truth on your own or do you just want to believe what you are spoonfed from the characters on this board?

I have seen where some these girls come from.  When they get too old for the orphanage and have to strike out on their own.  Or when the family can no longer feed their kids and need to make hard decisions.  Some girls are sent away in hopes of a better life.  Others are just sent away.

Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, even Korea which is like a miniature United States - the picture is the same.  To this day, girls are raped, kidnapped and sometimes murdered off the coast of Thailand by what we would call pirates.  Girls are separated from families and need their "captors" for support.  They enter the US illegally and find "homes" in houses offering sex for sale.

I try to convince myself that the girls are better off here than in the streets of a city like Bangkok.  I am not so sure of that.  When I read of an AMP getting busted, I never hear what happens to the girls.  I hope they are absorbed into our foster care system and not simply deported.

And I am not saying all the girls who work at an AMP suffer this fate - I just know some do for I have born witness to it.

I am not into oaths and pledges for I move to my own values and morals that are not open for public debate.  I do commend you for what you are trying to do.

Tigerguy -

Thank you.  Your post was one of the more educated, enlightening comments on the subject written by someone who knows actually knows  what he is talking about versus the rest of us who stop in for an hour.  I use AMPs occasionally and, just like providers, my experience has been from "great" to "OK".

It is hard for me to believe that the ones I really enjoyed (and you see their reviews here and elsewhere) were being "forced" as "slave" labor a la the media.  My sense about them is consistent with your description.  I am sure  some are mistreated but most seem to live here in a manner you describe.

The "holier than thou" attitude from steakwith and others re this issue is self-righteous and somewhat hypicritical (pardon the spelling)